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HOUSE OF COMMONS—MONDAY. Mr Wason and Mr Morrison took the oaths and their seats for Ipswich, and the Hon. Mr Ponsonby for Dorsetshire. „ The presentation of a petition from Birmingham, by Sir Jt. Inglis, on the subject of the oath taken by the Roman Catholic Members, gave raise to a dis- cussion as to the manner in which it should be read. Lord J. RUSSELL, in reply to a question from Mr Estcourt, said that with regard to any property be- queathed to corporations for certain specific and charitable purposes, it was not his intention to apply it to the purposes of the borough fund. The adjourned debate upon the Church of Scotland was postponed to Wednesday se nnight. A new writ was moved for Oldham, in the room of Wm Cobbett, Esq., deceased. After a short conversation it was understood that the Municipal Corporation Bill should be proceeded with on Tuesday. Mr PRAED'S motion on East India affairs was fixed for Monday. 'Mr PRAED'S motion that all rights and privi- leges at present enjoyed, whether inchoate or complete, by members of existing corporations, should be secured to their present possessors and their descendants, was withdrawn, after some dis- cussion. COMMITTEE ON THE BILL. Lord J RUSSELL took the opportunity of stating, that when the amendments to be proposed should be agreed to, he would have them referred to a com- mittee to frame the exact words, as was done in the Reform and Poor Law Bills. Sir R. PEEL wished to know when the noble lord would bring forward the schedules ? Lord J. RUSSELL said he would defer them to the end of the Bill. Sir It. PEEL suggested that, as this Bill would supersede charters granted by the Crown, and inter- fere with rights exercised by the Crown, it might be better that in the iirst instance they should pro- ceed by an address to the throne. Sir J. CAMPBELL did not think it was necessary to address the throne in the first instance. Mr SCARLETT said, that it had been his inten- tion to have moved as an instruction to the committee, to omit certain corporate towns from the operation of the Bill, in order to place them under separate regulations, but he deferred it for the present, to see what course the Bill would take. Sir R. PEEL observed, that some corporations were not inserted in schedules A or B. He wished to ask the noble lord whether it was intended to omit them altogether, and if so, on what ground was the omission made ? Lord J. ltUSSELL said the general reason for the omission was, that the population of the corporations omitted was too small. The other reasons, which were peouliar, he would state on a future day. Mr SCARLETT would be decided as to the course he should take by the way in which the Bill would proceed; but he must say that the haste with which the Bill was urged on was greater than was neces- sary. A common Turnpike Bill would not be carried through without more deliberation; but here was a Bill the very first clause of which disfran- chised whole cities and towns. He did not object to the Bill from any reference to his constituents in particular, for his constituents were of all classes; all he sought was, that equal justice should be done to all parties. The first clause was then read ana agreed to. The second (the interpretation clause) was next read, and after some slight verbal amendments, agreed to. The third clause was then agreed to. The Chairman then put the question that clause 4 should be agreed to as follows:— And be it enacted, that after the passing of this act, the metes and bounds of the several boroughs name.1 in the first section of the first and second divisions of the said schedule (A) and in the first section of the said schedule (M for the purposes of this act shall be the same as the limits thereof respectively settled and described in an act passed in the second and third year of the reign of his pre- sent Majesty, entiiled An act to settle and describe the divisions of counties, and the limits of cities and boroughs in England and Wales, so far as respects the election of membersto serve in Parliament:' and the metesand bounds of the several boroughs named in the second section of the first and second division of the said schedule (A), and in the second section of the said schedule (B), for the pur- poses of this act, shall be and remain as the same are now taken to be, until such time as His Majesty shall have been pleased to issue his letters patent under the Great Seal, that tie may be certified concerning the fit metes and hounds to be allotted unto the same respectively, and until such further time as it shall please His Majesty, by advice of his Privy Council, upon inspection of the return thereof made by the commissioners unto whom such ietters patent shall have been directed, to declare fit metes and bounds of the said jast-named boroughs, and the metes and bounds of the said last-named boroughs thenceforward for the pur- poses of this act shall be the same so declared as last afore- The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said that, from time immemorial the Crown had possessed the privilege immemorial the Crown had possessed the privilege of fixing the limits ot corporations. It was a power to be used on the responsibility of the advisers of the Crown. If any grievance should result from the manner in which the power was exercised, the House of Commons would be open to receive the complaint. —Hear, hear, from the opposition. Sir R. PEEL expressed his surprise at the argu- ments which had been employed by the learned Attorney-General.-Cheers,-Here was a bill which superseded altogether the prerogative of the Crown, which set aside all the charters granted by the Crown, and when a question arose as to whether the Parliament should have an opportunity of deter- mining the boundaries to be established under the new system, the hon. and learned gentleman turned round -and said, il Pray respect the prerogatives of the Crown." ._Ctieers and latigliter.-In conformity with the principle of the Reform Bill, the boun- daries of the corporations ought to be determined by Parliament.-Ilear.-He would give notice of his intention to move an amendment,the object of which would be to impose upon Parliament the duty of establishing the boundaries of corporations.—Hear. After some observations by different members, Lord D- STUART objected to the clauee, because it conferred upon Ministers of the Crown a power which they ought not to possess. He felt the injus- tice of this clause so strongly, that if the right hon. baronet the member for Tamworth, should decline to press his amendment, he Lord Dudley Stuart, should hold it to be his duty to take the sense of the committee upon the amendment which he should now move,-naniely, to leave out all the words at the end of the clause, empowering his Majesty to declare fit metes and bounds for the said last men- tioned boroughs, for the purpose of inserting these words-" Until they shall be otherwise settled by Parliament." A discussion ensued, when the chairman put the amendment, and a debate followed, when the House divided on the amendment-Noes, 219—Ayes, HI- Majority against the amendment, 87. After a few remarks, inaudible in the gallery, from Mr Scarlett, Lord J. Russell, and Lord Saudon, -the clause was agreed to. Clause 5 was agreed to without amendment. On clause 6, Lord J. RUSSELL said he proposed to substitute a new clause:- 44 And be it enacted, that after the passing of tnis act, every male person of full age who, on the last day of August in any year, shall have occupied any house, warehouse, counting-house, or shop, within any borough during that year, and the whole of the two preceding years, and who, during the whole of such occupation, shall have been an inhabitant householder within such borough, or within seven miles thereof, shall, if duly enrolled accord- ing to the provisions hereinafter contained, be a burgess of such boiough and member of the body corporate of the mayor and burgesses of such borough provided that no person shall be so eniolled in any year, unless he shall have been rated in respect of premises occu. pied by him to all rates for the relief of the poor of some parish wholly or in part within such borough during the time of his occupatiou aforesaid, and unless he shall have paid during the time of his said occupation all such rates, except such as shall have been made and be. come due within six calendar months next before the last day of August in each year: provided also that the pre- mises in respect of the occupation of which any person shall be so rated need not be the same premises, or in the same parish, but may be different premises in the same parish, or in different parishes, and provided that no per- son shall be so enrolled in any year, who within 12 calen- dar months next before the last day of August, shall have received parochial relief or other alms, or any pension or charitable allowance." Lord STANLEY proposed to insert after the words within such borough," the words "for the space of three entire years then next preceding." After some observations from various members, the committee divided-For the amendment, 97 Against it, 321; Majority against the amendment, 224. On returning to the gallery, a conversation was going on, amidst great noise, respecting the expe- diency of proceeding further, some members wishing the chairman to report progress. Sir R. PEEL observed, that if the practice was to adjourn at so early an hour. the business would be 0 greatly protracted, and unless the House were pre- pared to discuss this measure with patience, and to give it proper consideration, they would not do justice to the measure itself, nor raise the character of that House. Mr JERViS repeated his objection to the wording of the clause, which confined the right of voting to inhabitant householders," and proposed the word resident otherwise persons who had a large stake in towns would be excluded from a vote. After some conversation, Mr Jervis consented to withdraw his amendment. Lord SANDON inquired from what point the seven miles mentioned in the clause were to be measured, and what stanrtHrrt nf distance was to hP taken. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL remarked that the scale certainly ought to be uniform, and he was in- clined to take the standard as the crow flies. Sir R. PEEL asked how it was possible to de- termine the distance of seven miles as the crow flies, unless there was first pointed out some spot for the crow to fly from.— Hear' and a laugh- Mr WARBUUTON said the distance might be measured from the market-place of the borough, as the crow flies-a laugh—or, in other words, in a direct line. Mr PRYME objected that in some boroughs there was no market held, and then « here would his hon. friend find a market-place ? Moreover, a straight line for seven miles could not be measured without committing trespass, Laughter. An hon. member (name unknown) proposed that the words or other premises" should be inserted after the word" shop M r E. BULLER. made a remark which we did not catch. Sir R. PEEL wished the payment of borough-rates to be made necessary to the completeness of the qualificatian. Lord J. RUSSELL objected to that proposition. Sir R PL EL suggested it might be advisable to postpone the consideration of it until to-morrow.— -1 Adjourn, adjourn. Lord HOWICK hoped the right hon. baronet would accede to the clause as it stood to-night, and then he might move a separate clause as an amend- ment to-morrow, on which, if he pleased, he might take the sense of the House. Sir R. PEEL said that his proposition was, that if a borough-rate should be made by the council after the Act had passed, the payment of that rate should be necessary to complete the qualification. Lord SAN DON moved that the chairman report progress, and obtain leave to sit again. Mr BERNAL put the question amidst cries of L B « Divide, divide. The gallery was then cleared for,, division upon this question, but subsequently the motion was agreed to. The Chairman then reported progress and ob- tained leave to sit again to-morrow. Some of the other orders of the day were next disposed of. IECCLESI 4STICAL COURTS (ENGLAND AND WALES) BILL. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL moved for leave to bring in a Bill to regulate the ecclesiastical courts in England and Wales. Colonel SIBTHORP objected to the introduction of the Bill, on the ground that it was intended to abolish the local courts, and that it was in its nature of a similar sweepmg tendency to that of other measures which had proceeded from the same side of the House. He therefore moved that the House be counted. The Speaker having counted the House, and there not being 40 members present, the House ad- journed at half-pastjwo^clock^



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