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Colwyn Bay and Colwyn Urban District Council. The monthly meeting of this Council was held in the Municipal Buildings, Colwyn Bay, on Tues- day, the Chairman (Rev Thos. Parry, J. P., A.C.C.) presiding. The following members were also pres- ènt: Revs W. Venables-Williams and J. G. Haworth, and Messrs Hugh Hughes, John Porter, Robert Evans, Hugh Davies, George Bevan, Owen Williams, John Roberts, John Blud. and William Davies. The Clerk, (Mr James Porter), the Surveyor and Engineer (Mr William Jones, A.M.C.E.)and the Collector (Mr Benjamin Powell), were also present. MR WM DAVIES AGAIN OUT OF ORDER. Upon the minutes of the last general meeting of the Council being submitted for confirmation, Mr Blud called attention to the two following paragraphs:— "Surveyor.-It was proposed by Rev W. Ven- ables-Williams, seconded by Mr John Roberts and resolved that the standing orders be suspen- ded so as to allow an explanation of the Report contained in the North Wales Chronicle to the effect that the Surveyor was given a Testimonial in order to get rid of him. The Rev W. Venables-Williams stated that he considered Mr Wm Davies owed an apology for the statement made." Proceeding, Mr Blud said that he did not con- sider that the last paragraph was at all necessary. If the Clerk thought it proper to insert the views of the Rev W. Venables-Williams on the matter, why did he not insert the views of other members also. He, for one, and also one or two other members, had expressed their views, and they were not inserted. It looked to him very much like partisanship. The Clerk, in reply, said that the discussion emanated from what was said by the Rev Ven- ables-Williams, and the paragraph had been inserted simply to let the members know what the discussion was about. It could easily be modified, if the Council so desired. He could assure the Council that he was not a partisan. Mr Robert Evans As far as I can remember, the Rev Venables-Williams never mentioned Mr Davies's name. I remember distinctly that Mr Davies got up and asked whether Mr Williams was referring to him, and Mr Williams replied that he was not. I know it is in the North Wales Chronicle, but it never happened in this Council. Mr William Davies I thought the matter was going to drop, and that the public would be under the impression that I was doing a thing that was not right. Mr Hatton is here now, and is willing to come into this room and prove that he over- heard the Surveyor and the reporters making the thing up together on the station-platform. I now propose that Mr Hatton be called into the room. It is high time that the character of this Council should be cleared up. The Chairman We had better deal with the minutes first. Mr William Davies: It is not so much of my business, but it is time for the Council to put their feet down, and say that the reporters have no right to come here and make fun of this Council, just to sell the papers [Laughter]. They are con- tinuously making us a laughing-stock to the country [Much laughter], and it is becoming dis- graceful. [Laughter]. Mr Blud moved, and Mr R. Evans seconded, a motion to expunge from the minutes the paragraph mentioned, and this was carried. The Council then went on to deal with other reports. The Rev Venables-Williams subsequently entered the room, and informed the Council that Mr Hatton, of the Railway Bookstall, was out- side, waiting for admission. The Chairman Do you not think, gentlemen, that we had better allow this matter to drop. We shall gain nothing by going into it again. The Rev Venables-Williams I do not know what Mr Hatton's mission is. I simply saw him waiting outside. The Chairman It is in reference to some remarks which were made at the last general meeting of the Council. Something was published in the North Wales Chronicle, and the Council i have decided to expunge one paragraph from the minutes, which will, I hope, put an end to the matter. We shall gain nothing by scraping up old things. I hope Mr William Davies will let it drop. Mr William Davies: As I told you before —— Mr John Roberts If the Chairman will rule it out of order, nothing can be said. Mr William Davies You know the insinua- tion The Chairman Order. Mr William Davies (indignantly) I am sur- prised to see a preacher-of-the-Gospel trying to cloak a lie. [Cries of Order and Chair."]. The man who really ought to back up the truth, is going to back a lie. [Cries of Chair."]. The Chairman I call you to order. We have expunged the paragraph. Mr John Roberts If you are referring to me, I know nothing at all about it. Do you rule it out of order, Mr Chairman ? Mr William Davies It has been insinuated, and Mr Hatton The Chairman Order. If there is anything, there is a.Court in which matters can be cleared up. Mr William Davies, at this point, was seen to whisper something to the Collector. The Rev Venables-Williams I overheard Mr Davies send a message to Mr Hatton, that the Council would not allow him to come in. I did not understand that that was your ruling, sir. It was not fair to send such a message. The Chairman I hope that, for the sake of our- selves, we shall not bother with such pettifoging matters. The matter was then allowed to drop. THE PURCHASE OF THE GAS WORKS. The Surveyor was asked by the Chairman, whether it was his duty to call a public meeting of the ratepayers to consider the above question. The Surveyor replied in the negative, but added that he had suggested Friday evening as being the most suitable. The Chairman Does anyone propose that a meeting be called ? Mr William Davies I understand that the matter was to be left in abeyance until the price was known. Mr Bevan I move that a public meeting be convened for next Friday week, and that it be held in the Public Hall. In case the Hall is en- gaged, the meeting can be convened for the first night on which it can be available. Mr Hugh Hughes seconded. Mr William Davies: I propose, as an amend- ment that we do not call a public meeting. The Gas Company The Chairman You are out of order. The original motion was afterwards agreed-to. THE GAS TESTER. In reply to Mr William Davies, the Surveyor said that no further steps had been taken with regard to the appointment of Gas Tester. FENCING ON SHORE. A letter had been received from Mr Dawson, of the London and North Western Railway Co., stating that he was desirous of erecting new fencing on the shore next month. At a recent meeting, the Highways Committee was instructed to visit the shore and report. It was now understood that no definite steps had been taken, although the matter was of great urgency. Mr Blud: This proves what necessity there is for the minutes of the general meetings to come before Committees. This matter was not brought before us consequently, the work was not carried-out. Mr William Davies I think there are a great many things left undone in consequence of over- sight on the part of the Surveyor. You will find that a great many resolutions are passed which the Committees don't even read. Mr Blud I move that in future the different Committees have the minutes of the general meeting before them. Mr Robert Evans seconded the motion, which was carried. THE COWLYD BOARD AND ITS CONSTITUTION. Referring to the correspondence which had recently taken place between the Clerk to the Council and the Local Government Board, with reference to the constitution of the Cowlyd Water Supply Board, Mr Blud asked whether the Clerk had, in accordance with his instructions, sent another appeal to the Local Government Board, to alter the constitution of the Cowlyd Board, so as to give Colwyn Bay a larger share of representa- tion, in accordance with the rateable value. The Clerk replied that the appeal had been made, but no reply had yet been received. Mr William Davies complained that some of the clauses contained in the Provisional Order, were so complicated that it was difficult to under- stand their meaning. Mr Blud took it for granted that an official Inquiry would have to be held, and he suggested that the Clerk be asked to draw out an appeal which could be submitted for such Inquiry. The scope of the Inquiry would then be widened. No definite decision was arrived at, it being understood that the further consideration of the question was deferred. THE PROMENADE AND FORESHORE IMPROVE- MENTS. The Surveyor was asked whether Mr Biggs (of Birmingham), whose tender (for the carrying-out of the improvements on the Foreshore) had been accepted at a special meeting of the Council, had commenced operations. The Surveyor replied in the negative, and pro- ceeded to explain the delay. Mr Robert Evans thought it was most important that the work should be commenced forthwith, and on his motion, the Surveyor was instructed to give the contractor notice to commence in accord- ance with the specifications. THE HIGWAY COMMITTEE. The minutes of the Highway Committee held on April 7th, contained the following among other items :— Extension of District.-The Surveyor submitted plan herein.—A letter was also read from the Clerk to the Denbighshire County Council, stating that formal application must be made, and requesting that certain particulars be forwarded to him. -It was resolved that formal application be made, and that the Surveyor be instructed to again furnish the Clerk to the County Council with all the particulars required to-day. Town's Yard.-It was resolved that this matter be deferred. Foreshore.-It was proposed by Mr John Blud, seconded by Mr William Davies, and carried unanimously, that the Surveyor be instructed to communicate with Mr Hull and furnish him with all the particulars, &c., required by him with respect to the 6ft. strip along the Railway Embankment. Gas Mains.—It was resolved that the Clerk be instructed to request the Gas Company to put the roads in order as soon as possible after the laying of the gas-mains, and to draw their attention to the fact that the mains had not been laid 3ft. below the surface, as required by the plan sub- mitted by the Council. Lady Erskine's Esiale.-The Surveyor sub- mitted a plan which he had prepared of Lady Erskine's Estate, at Colwyn Bay.—It was pro- posed by Mr John Roberts, seconded by Mr John Blud, and carried unanimously, that the plan be framed and placed in the Council Room. Coed Pella Rotrd.-The Surveyor reported that he had made up Coed Pella Road as far as Llewelyn Road, and recommended that notices be served adopting the same.—It was proposed by Mr John Roberts, seconded by Rev J. G. Haworth, that the necessary notices be served. New Streels.- The Surveyor also reported herein as follows I would particularly call the Committee's attention to the state of the road leading from Rhiw Bank Avenue, at the back of the Welsh Congregational Church. It is greatly used by the children attending the Infant School, but in its present state it is a nuisance to the whole neighbourhood, as is also the western part of Grove Park leading from Rhiw Road. A large number of people reside in this road, and it is in a most founderous state. I have the plans for both these roads nearly complete, and so as to comply with the Act, I shall be glad if the Committee will pass a resolution of their intention to make up the same with the necessary instruc- tions for the specifications, estimates, &c., to be got out for your approval.It was proposed by Mr William Davies, seconded by Mr John Blud, and carried unanimously, that this Committee recommend to the Council that proper steps be taken for the making up of these roads, and that the Surveyor prepare the specifications, plans, estimates, &c., for the Council's approval. Railway Advertisements.A letter was read from the Great Western Railway herein, as follows Great Western Railway, Paddington Station, London, W., March 18th, 1896. Sir,— In reply to your favour of the 11th instant, our arrangements for the season are not yet definitely settled but in all cases where practicable your wishes shall be complied with. I have no doubt that you are aware we issue Excursion Tickets from the Reading and Birmingham Districts to Colwyn Bay in the summer, and we shall do the same for this season. It has been suggested that your Council be asked to exhibit one of our Northern Broadsides outside the Council Offices, and I shall be glad if you will inform me if this can be done: if so, we will supply a board and the bills from time to time as they are issued.—I am, sir, your obedient servant, T. J. ALLRN. Letters were also read from the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Comany and the Midland Railway Company.—It was resolved that the st-veral Companies be thanked for their favourable replies, and that the Clerk be instructed to write to the Great Western Railway Company, stating that the Council will be pleased to exhibit one of their Broadsides, and also that the Clerk be instructed to write to the other Railway Com- panies, asking if they are prepared to allow the Council to exhibit one of their Broadsies outside the Council Offices.-It was resolved that the Clerk be instructed to write to the London and North Western Railway Company, stating that the Council regret that they cannot allow the I I p.m. train, Chester to Holyhead, to stop at Colwyn Bay, and ask them if they can see their way to allow it to stop on Friday and Saturday nights, or, failing that, if they can allow it to stop on Saturday nights. A Vote of Thaks.- It was proposed by the Rev J. G. Haworth, seconded by Mr J. M. Porter, and carried unanimously, that a vote of thanks be extended to Mr Porter, the Chairman of this Committee, for his efficient service as chairman during his term of office.-Ilr Porter thanked the Committee for the vote of thanks, and also for the assistance rendered him by his fellow Committee- men at all times. Mr Porter, as Chairman of the Committee, moved the adoption of the report, and this was duly seconded. Mr Robert Evans, referring to the paragraph (in the minutes) with regard to the extension of the district, said that it was distinctly understood that nothing would be done in this matter except by the Council. It was quite outside the province of the Highways Committee to dicuss it. Mr John Roberts I think it came through me. The County Council could not consider it. Mr Blud We were quite in order in discussing it. It can be re-considered by the Council to-day. Mr Robert Evans: I should like to hear the letter, which was received from the County Coun- cil, read. The Surveyor The situation is explained in my report. Mr William Davies Let us have the letter read, first. The Clerk then read the Clerk of the Peace's letter, and his reply thereto. Mr William Davies asked the reason why the communications received from the different Rail- way Companies, as contained in the report, had not been published in the newspapers. They were of the utmost importance to the town. The Chairman explained that the letters refer- red-to. could not be got for publication. Mr William Davies Yes, they could. The Chairman Excuse me. Mr William Davies I will withdraw thn. With reference to the request of the Council, that the Railway Company should allow the late trains to stop at Colwyn Bay on Saturday nights, I think we ought to get the Railway Compaay to grant it. Concluding Mr William Davies moved that a letter be sent to the Superintendent of the Chester and Holyhead line, and also the Chair- man of the Directors, with a resolution from that Council enclosed. He had reason to believe that the 11.0 p.m. train was often stopped at Rhyl by Colwyn Bay residents and visitors. If this came within the knowledge of the chief officials their request would no doubt be granted. The Rev Venables Williams said that it would certainly not be advisable to make such a repre- sentation unless they were positively sure that the train was stopped at Rhyl. Mr William Davies I can prove that it is so. The Rev Venables Williams Is it a recent arrangement then, or an old oiia ? Mr William Davies It is in the guide-book. Mr Owen Williams seconded the motion, which was carried. The Committee's report was then adopted. THE SANITARY COMMITTEE. The minutes of the Sanitary Committee held on April 7th, contained the following (among other) items Cowlyd Water.-It was proposed by Mr John Blud, seconded by Mr Owen Williams, and carried unanimously, that the Council be recommended to take the matter of reservoirs into consideration, and call a special meeting to consider the same. —It was also proposed by Mr Robert Evans, seconded by Mr Hugh Hughes, and carried unanimously, that the Surveyor be instructed to present a report for such special meeting. Railway Bridge, near the Promenade.-It was proposed by Mr John Blud, seconded by Mr William Davies, and carried unanimously, that this Committee recommend to the Council that the Clerk be instructed to write to the Railway Company complaining of the narrowness and lowness of this bridge. The Chairman said that with reference to the reservoir Scheme, he had received a letter from Mr J. M. Porter, secretary to the Pwllycrochan Estate Co., which was to the effect that there had been no meeting of the Directors, but he (Mr Porter) was prepared to state that, provided that the Scheme was a suitable one for the supply of the higher level as well as as the lower level, it would receive favourable consideration. Mr Blud asked whether any report was to hand on the progress made at Cowlyd. The Surveyor replied that during the last fortnight three accidents had occurred, but the matter was fully dealt with in his report. Mr Blud said that the Council ought to decide whether a meeting was to be called to consider this reservoir question. Mr John Roberts I move that we have a meeting, and that we carry out the Scheme which we had in cnntemplation six or seven years ago. I have all along been under a wrong impression with regard to the paths, which were never public. Continuing, the speaker extremely regretted that he had been misled. The Rev Venables-Williams said that the generous manner in which Mr Roberts had expressed his regret, would do away with a con- siderable amount of difficulty which would other- wise have attended future negotiations between the Estate Co. and the Council. The report was then adopted. THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. From the minutes of the Finance Committee held on April 8th, it appeared that the Surveyor's Cash totalled £94 12s nd Collector's Receipts, £61 lis 4d; and Treasurer's Balance, L441 os 6d. The Committee recommended the payment of Mr Hutchin's claim for damage done to his fields, subject to his undertaking to make up the fence and wall that Mr John Jones be offered in settle- ment 5s per hole in respect of his claim for damages for some holes cut in his fields that a cheque be drawn in repayment of the Water Rate paid by the London and North-Western Railway Company, less the amount charged for water for horses; that the damage done to the window of Mr Hughes, Ship Hotel, Colwyn, by one of the Council's workmen, be made good at once and that the Returning Officer's expenses in connexion with the last Election, be paid. Headed Solici- tors' Bills," the Committee also presented the following minutes The Clerk produced the Solicitors' Bills made out fully as instructed.—It was proposed by Mr Hugh Davies, seconded by Rev J. G. Haworth and carried unanimously, that the Council be recommended to ask the Solicitors to accept the terms first offered by them, viz:-5 per cent commission on the amount recovered, in settlement of their bill for the col- lection of outstanding claims, and to accept the same terms for future moneys placed in their hands for collection.—The Committee also recommend to the Council that the Solicitor's bill for work done be taxed by the Clerk of the Peace in the usual way, and paid." Mr Bevan moved the adoption of the report, and this was duly seconded. Mr Blud, called attention to the paragraph relating to Solicitor's Bills, and asked for the amount. The Clerk said that, as a solicitor, his charges for collecting amounts due from May 1894 to Feb 1896, amounted to £ 189 17s. Mr John Roberts thought that it was most diffi- cult to understand what were Mr Porter's duties as a Clerk to the Council and as a solicitor. It was a tremendous bill for so short a period. The Clerk reminded Mr Roberts that his charges would be subjected to taxation by the Clerk of the Peace. Mr J. Roberts said that he was aware of that, but the Clerk of the Peace was not supposed to know the arrangement which existed between that Council and their Clerk. Mr Bevan agreed that it was most difficult to distinguish between the duties of Mr Porter as their Clerk and as a solicitor. However, a meeting would shortly be held to assign duties to the several officials, and the matter could then be satisfactorily settled. Mr William Davies said that a bill was sent-in and paid twelve months last February. Mr Bevan said that the account was not paid up to the date of that meeting. The Rev Venables-Williams suggested that, after what had been said, the Clerk should prepare a statement showing what work he was prepared to perform as Clerk to the Council, and the remuneration which he would expect to receive to cover legal expenses. Mr John Roberts said that he would rather that the Clerk be paid Lioo than that bills should be continually sent in. The report was then adopted. THE SURVEYOR'S REPORT. The Surveyor, in his monthly report, stated that two deaths had occurred within the District, and four births. In accordance with a resolution passed at the last Highway's Committee meeting, he had addressed a letter to Mr Hull re the Company's property on the shore, but had only received an acknowledgement of the same. In compliance with the request of the same Com- mittee, he had also supplied a map showing the proposed extension of District, a duplicate of which he now submitted to the Council. He had visited and examined both the old highways leading from Felin and Graianllyn, near Pant-y- gloch, and from the same place to Nant Ucha.' It was quite evident that these roads were not in anyway repairable by the public, as there were, at the end of both, gates, which went to prove that although the public had a right of way over the same, they were, in reality, occupation roads. The width of both these roads, varied between eight and twelve feet. The one leading from Felin and Graianllyn to Pantygloch was in a very bad state indeed, and would cost at least £ 110 to put it in proper repair. The road leading from Pantygloch to Nant Ucha', was not so bad, and L30 would be about the cost of putting it in a passable state. He laid before the Council a report of the work carried out by the authority in the different departments during the past year, and, in consideration of its length, he suggested that it be printed and submitted to the next meeting. The Surveyor's report was adopted, and the suggestion with regard to the annual report, was ordered to be carried-out THE MEDICAL OFFICER. Dr Fraser was re-appointed as Medical Officer of Health for the Colwyn Bay and Colwyn Urban District, for the ensuing year. The Surveyor and Engineer, Mr W. Jones, was also re-appointed. THE HOUR OF MEETING. The following motion was on the Agenda, opposite the name of Mr Blud That in future the Council meetings be held at 2 o'clock in the afternoon instead of the forenoon." Mr Blud signified his intention of moving the resolution at the next meeting,—the first of the new Council. THE PROPOSED INFECTIOUS DISEASES HOSPITAL. The Rev J. G. Haworth, as one of the deputa- tion who visited the site of the proposed Infectious Diseases Hospital, reported that it was most unsuitable, and suggested that the question of site [ be further considered. I It was decided to consider the question at the next meeting. THANKS TO THE CHAIRMAN. Mr John Roberts, in moving a vote of thanks to the Rev Thomas Parry, for his services in the chair during the past year, expressed a hope that they would let by-gones be bv-gones, and that they would continue to work together in the interests of the town. He expressed a hope that Mr Parry would occupy the chair during the ensuing year. Mr Blud, in seconding, said that it had been a most trying time for their Chairman, who fortunately had a happy knack of being able to pour oil on the troubled waters, and, whenever the discussion became a little warm, their Chair- man was always cool, and never lost his temper. He had acted throughout in a most impartial manner, and he hoped that they would again see him in the chair during the ensuing year. The Rev J. G. Haworth and Mr William Davies supported the vote, which was unani- mously carried. In response, the Chairman said,—Gentlemen, I thank you for the vote of thanks to myself as your Chairman, and I thank you most heartily, because I thought that I had long ago sinned away your thanks and good wishes. I can assure you that I have received great pleasure, and I must admit some pain, from the honour of acting as your Chairman. It must be interesting to us all as a Council, and the ratepayers generally, to observe the great amount of work that has been carried out by the Council since the Council came into existence fifteen months ago. And I can assure you that I have not sat in your chair, merely for the honour of sitting in it, but I have taken some trouble and pains in trying to carry out the wishes of the Council and also those of the ratepayers. Our Surveyor, Mr William Jones, can assure vou of my feeble efforts, in planning, in writing, in correspondences, in devising what would be the best thing for us to do, and the report he has prepared for this Council briefly shows what has been done. Allow me briefly to mention some few things that have been done. The first (and most important of ail) is the acquisition of the Foreshore, and for Z,1,200 it will be the property of the Ratepayers for ever, and not merely for 99 years, The contract for the Promenade has been finally settled, and this, when it is finished (and I hope that all of us will see the day), will be greatly beneficial to us all, and not only to us as the inhabitants, but thousands of our fellowmen from every part of the Kingdom, and from all parts of the world, will derive benefit from our specially clear and pure sea and mountain air. Turn, for a moment, to the Railway Company, somehow or other, the idea was in my mind that the Railway Directors were hard and stupid men to deal with, that no one could get anything from them. and that they were not ready to meet or discuss matters with anybody, but must have their own way entirely that's the idea that was stamped on my mind, but, gentlemen, since I have had a little to do with them personally, my mental attitude has been completely changed. When I met them re the Foreshore, they most readily helped me when I asked them to give us better light in the station, I wrote them only two letters on the subject, and that was attended-to at once, and now our station is well lighted and many other things I could mention, showing their readinesss to meet us in a friendly spirit. Other improvements we want in conjunction with the Railway Company,—such as anew station, better entrance to (and accommodation at) the station, more approaches to the Foreshore,—and I am quite convinced that, if we go to them the right way (not by bullying them), they will help us and meet us in a friendly manner. We have also made better terms with the Gas Co., as to the lighting of our streets,—we get longer hours of lighting when it is most required, and the price is cheaper. We have also secured a Provisional Order to supply the Town with Electric Light, and I hope we shall have electric illumination in the Bay before many years have passed. Our streets, too, were never kept so well, so clean, as they have been for the last fifteen months. I must confess that Mr Jones has been most anxious and diligent in his endeavours to carry out the wishes of the Council. I do not say this because I think he is blameless, but where honour is due let him have it the amount of time and trouble he has given to the Council the last fifteen months is very great, and he is deserving of our warmest thanks. Then, again, there is our Collector, Mr Powell, and he also has done good work as a Collector, and I am glad to call your attention to it. Mr Powell has collected £ 6649 8s. 9d., made up as follows :-General District Rate, Z5703 ios. Id. W Meter, £ 134 8s. Building Purposes, Ztio us. 6d. Horses, £ 88 4s. 6d. Connections, £ 5 5s- Joiners, £I8 15s. Rents, £ 60 8s. lod. Road-making, £ 389 7s. id. Hire of Roller, £ 19 7s. 6d. For work done, ZiS 18s. nd. Lamp-lighting, £70 12s. 6d. Materials sold, £ 29 15s. 4d. Cost of summons, 4s. 6d. Total, Z6649 8s. gd. It has been said, when the Water rent was attempted to be forced on us, that our finances were in a deplorable state. There is not a Council, nor a Borough in the whole of North Wales, and, perhaps, I may venture to sav, in the United Kingdom, in so healthy a condition as we are, our uncollected rates can't be counted by the hundreds and thousands, and we do not owe to the bank ,Ciooo of debt. We invite comparison and expenditure with any town on the whole of the North Wales Coast. Our rates, adding all together, are lower than in any other of these towns in North Wales, namely, Rhyl, Llandudno, Conway, Penmaenmawr, Llanfairfechan, Bangor, Carnarvon, Criccieth, Barmouth. We often hear the cry The Rates, the Rates." My great aim, and yours, gentlemen, has been Efficiency and Economy much work has been done, and our Rates are very low. And now, gentlemen, I know that you and I shall look back with pleasure to the work that has been done, and I hope that we all will be united for the next 12 months in working in the interest of the District I do not expect that we all will be of the same mind,— different ideas with different powers, that, in my mind, is far more healthy than one man to govern all. In conclusion, I humbly beg to tender my sincere thanks to all of you, and to our Clerk, Surveyor, Collector, and all the Officials and Workmen. [Applause].

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