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,MR. liume,s MOTIONS.:






SUPPLY.- NAVY ESTIMATES. The House then resolved itself into a Committee of Supply. Nl r. WARD; in moving tie vo e for the excess of naval expen- diture, entered into a lengthened statement of the causes which had produced the large excess of £ 323,737, and which arose chiefly, from the number of ships and men employed on the Irish coast during th' period of the famine, the increase in the amount of wages of men, victualling, naval and medical stores, and extra expenditure for the dockyard battalions. He admitted that these excess votes were object ionable and ought to be avoided, but in the present instance they arose from circumstances entirely bryony their control. The lion, gentleman proceeded to enumerate the various reductions that had been effected in the several depart- ments of the navy, amounting in the whole to between ESOO,000 and 1:900,000 and concluded by moving that 26,000 men, 12,000 marines, and 2,000 boys be voted for the service of the year. Mr. HUME complained that the reductions had not been carried to the extent that the country had a right to expect. He expa- tiated upon the abuses in ship-building and the dockyards, and insisted that our naval force on foreign stations was much larger than necessary, especially upon the coast of Africa, whence our blockading squadron should be withdrawn, pledging himself to show that a large reduction might be made in the cost of the navy He believed the time was coming when common sense and com- mon decency would force these matters on the public mind, and that, although the country gentlemen had that night voted against him, a majority would soon be found whose constituents would demand economy and retrenchment in all the public establish- ments. He considered he was making a very moderate proposi- tion in asking, upon this first vote, a reduction of 5,000 men and he accordingly begged to move as an amendment, that instead of 40.000 men being voted the number should be 35,000. Sir F. BARING opposed Mr. Hume's amendment. Sir W. M JLESWORTH said that the country ought to be very grateful to his hon. friends the members for Montrose and for the West Riding of Yorkshire for the opposition which they offered to the [navy estimates of last year; for in consequence of it the esti- mates were diminished last year by E208,000, and this year there was a further reduction of £ 707,000. He thought the Govern- ment deserved credit for their efforts to reduce the expenditure, but that there was room for further reductions in this department, and he pointed out various sources of the increased expense, with relation to the steam navy, the dockyard establishments, and the dead weight. He concluded by proposing various reductions of the force on foreign stations. After a few words from Captain BERKELEY, Mr. S. HERBERT replied to Sir W. Molesworth's strictures upon the steam navy, respecting which, he observed, there had been much misrepresentation and with regard to our ships generally, the disparaging remarks that had been male in that House were not borne out by the opinions of impartial judges in this and other countries. Mr. COBDEN said, Mr. War I had admitted that there had been shameful mismanagement in our dockyard establishments, and so long as the present syst m was maintained, there must be this waste. The system must be changed we must have a smaller establishment, not a less efficient one,—that was a convenient con- fusion of terms. He would pay our officers and men better; and he would have no more ships at sea than could be kept constantly at wor;c He repudiated the doctrine of Sir F. Baring, that this was a vote ot confide fce-the House was to judge of the necessity of the vote and he'showed he absence of ail ground of alarm .11 the establishments of other nival Powers, and of any necessity for keeping up our present force on foreign stations. It was with the view of getting back to the despised estimates of 1835 that he sup- ported the motion of Mr. Hume it was a step, and further steps must be taken before long. Captain HA RRIS pressed a consideration of an improved system of manning the navy; and after some brief observa ions on colla- teral topics from Co'onel SIBTHORP, Colonel THOMPSON*, Captain BOLOEUO, and Adm ral DCNDAS, The committee d v'.cled, when the motion of Mr. Hume was ne- gaiived by 141 to 59, and the vote was agreed to. For Mr. Hume's amendment, R. J. Blewitt, David Morris, John WilliamAgainst, Howel Gwyn, Lord G. Paget, Col. Watkins. Some other votes were passed without opposition, and certain sums were voted on account for the Ordnance Estimates. Th resolutions were reported, and the House adjourned at a quarter to one o'clock.