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HOUSE OF COMMONS, TUESDAY, ArcfST 1. The Speaker resumed the Chair at Five o'clock. Sir 13. Hall presented a petition from the parish of Saint P :racra6 against the increa»(xl police rate. THE NATIONAL LAND SCHEME. Nir. w ivter brought up the report of the committee appointed t.) 'inquil'ê into the state oJ Mr. tapi O'Connot-'s rational L On die motion of Mr. O'Connor, it was'read by the clerk at table The report, after stating that the--evidence taken fc--fore the committee would be laid upon the table,> proceeded state that the committee had come to the following resblu- fiona -—First That by this bill it proposes to make auditional T-Vuvisions t) the Friendly Societies Act, which is incorporated w-ihthe bill in question, and to alter and amend .the 9th and 10rh of Victoria for the amendment of the law relating to f-enlly societies, but the bill does not include the National I. «nd Com OMIT. Second, That the National Land Company is w ,.<■ consistent with the general principle upon vvhicn friendly sJ-AJtiea are landed. Third, That the National Lmd Com- pany, as at present constituted, is an illegal so ciety,- and,vill not fulfil the expectations' held out by the directors through the chairman. Fourth, That it appears to the committee, and by the evidence of several witnesses, that the whole system of proceeding in the National Land Company, as well as the accounts, have been most imperfectly kept; that the original balance-sheets signed by the auditors have been destroyed; and that only three of these balance-sheets, namely, for the quarters ending the 29th September, the 25th December, 1§47. and the 25th March, 1848, respectively, have been produced but Mr. O'Connor haying expressed his opinion that, an im- pression had gone abroad that the moneys subscribed by "the National Land Company had been applied to his, own benwfft, this committee are clearly of opinion that, although the accounts have not been kept with strict regularity, yet they are greatly against Mr. O'Connor, instead of being in lun favour for it appears by the evidence of Mr. Gray, that there, is due to Mr. O'Connor the sum of £ 3,298 5s. 3±d., and by3lr.; Tin- clell, the sum of £ 3,4U0. Fifth, That considering jthe-i great number of persons interested in the scheme and with which it appears to have been carried, it is the opinion of the committee that it ought to be left entirely to. the parties' con- cerned to propose to Parliament any new measure for carrying out the objects of the promoters of the company. Mr. O'Connor said, with regard to the financial statéírieIltpL the report, he begged to state that although the balance sheets were not produced, the book from which these balance-sheets were made were laid before the committee. The resolutions were exceedingly favourable to him, but he could not allow an impression to go abroad, that those workmen who had been managing this company under his direction were liable to any odiuin for the irregularities complained of. Having stated this much, and that the resolutions were unanimously come to, he had only to appeal to the chairman and the other members of the committee, to say whether every facility was not afforded to them to investigate the accounts and the affairs of the com- pany. Mr. Hayterbore his willing testimony, to the truth of the state- ment made by the hon. and learned gentleman. Every facii y was given to the committee to investigate the accounts, and the other matters relating to the accounts. Every officer that was called for was produced, and the accounts were regularly investi- gated by the accountant appointed by the committee, and the re- suit had been such as stated in the resolutions. 'I Sir B. Hall wished to say a few words with regard to the obser- vations which had fallen from the hon. and learned gentleman. He perfectly agreed with him that every facility was given to the members of the committee to investigate the affair's of the. com- pany but at the same time he could not conceal from hlmself the fact that the whole of the original accounts stated to have been audited by Mr. Cuffy and Mr. Knight, with the exception ot "the accounts ending for the quarters of September, December, 1847, and March, 1848, had been destroyed (hear, hear). He wished to ask the hon. gentleman what course he intended to take in order to effect the complete registration of the company and he also wished to know whether he proposed to make ovfer the es- tates vested in his name to those persons who, under the, rules and regulations of the society, were entitled to them. Mr. O'Connor thought the course that had been pursued by the hon. baronet was rather uncandid and unfair to him (O'Connor), for he had sought upon the bringing up of the report to cast im- putations upon his motives. With respect to the' question that had been put to him, the only answer he could give was that it was left by the report of the committee to the propounders and promoters of the society to say whether they would wind up the society, or apply to Parliament for power to carry it 0% With respect to the second question he had offered to theQrQinitteeto apply to the House to give him power to hand over the property to the parties who had agreed to purchase it. The report was then ordered to be received. CHURCH PROPERTY. Mr. Horsman, after all able and informing speech, proposed,— That an humble address be presented to her Majesty, praying that she will be pleased to take into her consideration the whole condition of the Established Church, as regards its temporalities; that she will direct an inquiry to be made into the full value of all Church property under lease, and cause such measures to be pre- pared as may make the' revenues of the Church more fully con- ducive to the religious teaching of the people." Lord John Rus- sell had already given his assent to his suggestions on the episco- pal revenues, on the fusion of the episcopal and. common fund, and on the revenues of our deans and chapters therefore his lordship could have little reason for objecting to this motion. It, was the same inquiry which Lord John Russell had imperfectly carried out ten years ago, and which lie hoped that he would complete now. A!l parties were anxious for it. Sir F. Buxton seconded the motion. Lord J. Russell admitted that the property of the Church was of a value far greater than that derived from it either by the bishops or the parochial clergy but inquiry had been already made as to the best mode of improving it, and a committee was actually sitting at present on the subject of Church leases. lie should be reluctant to say whether this inquiry should or should not be instituted until he had seen the report of that committee. He was not inclined to increase all the poor livings to the same amount as Mr. Horsman proposed. Some of the small livings might be consolidated and united but there was a property in. livings, and difficulties would therefore arise in consolidating them. As to the motion, he did not think it advisable, inasmuch as a compulsory inquiry into the value of Church property would be highly objectionable. He would, however, consider the means by which the inquiry could be made, for he was decidedly of opin- ion that the property of the Church ought to be made more appli- cable to the purposes of the Church. Sir R. Inglis said that Mr. Horsman had gained a triumph without a battle. Afier short speeches from Mr. W, P. Wood and Mr. Gúulùum, the motion was withdrawn.

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