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The Charities of Carmarthen.



THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. Mr Morgan Griffiths said he also appeared on behal of the Roman Catholic Church. It was entirety a private matter, and did not come within the scope of the enquiry. They knew nothing about it locally but he gave the Commissioner the address of the London solicitors representing the property. The Commissioner asked if the school was on the same site as the church. Mr Morgan Griffiths said it was not. The Commissioner said that then the Commission would want an abstract of the deed from the London solicitors. THE ENGLISH WESLEYANS. Rev J Greenland produced the documents relating to the English Wesleyan Sunday School. £100 had been left in 1836 by Mr Menzies to provide religious books and tracts at the Wesleyan Sunday School for the boys and girls of the Free School and all Christians." Rev J Greenland We understood that it was left exclusively to the English Wesleyan Sunday School. The Commissioner Well, those are the exact words of the deed. It is much wider than you thought. THE INFIRMARY. The Town Clerk gave particulars of the working of the Infirmary. There was £ r7,000 invested for the good of the Institution. He handed in the annual report, and the rules. MORRIS'S CHARITY. Tha Town Clerk said that the income of Morris's charity was £ 55. They tried giving it away in cash and blankets, but they found that it all went to the public-houses— or, at least, a large proportion of it. They now gave C30 to the Soup-kitchen, which was started every year and which did a lot of good in its way. The trustees (the Mayor and Tcwn Clerk) had shirked the responsi- bility ot distributing the other ^25, by dividing it amongst the ministers of the different churches, in proportion to the number of their members. Rev D. J. Thomas said that there were many respectable poor who would not go to the soup-kitchen, and to whom the ministers could give relief. The Town Clerk said that fluctuating trustees like the Mayor and Town Clerk were far from satisfactory. In many eases the Mayor had his quasi-political friends. The Commissioner: Bnt the Town Clerk has no politics. The Town Clerk said he could not claim a very wide acquaintance with the poor of the town; and he did not undertake the distribution of such a large sum of money annually. The Commissioner said that this was such a large sum of money that it would be well to formulate a scheme for the sanction of the Commissioners by which the greatest amount of good could be got out of this t money. Rev Jonathan Marsden, Llanllwch.who said he never had any of this money to distribute—suggesting the providing of a nursing institute for the poor. The Town Clerk said that possibly the Commissioners would want to be fortified with the opinion of a town's meeting. The Commissioner said that the applica- tion of the trustees would probably be sufficient. He pointed out that the money was left to provide coals, blankets, and other comforts for the poor at Christmas time. Principal Evans pointed out that under the present system the poor who belonged to no church were left out. The Commissioner said they had a fund in London for the Welsh poor. It was administered for the benefit of those who did not belong to any church for, if they did, the presumption was that their own denomination looked after them. THE SOUP KITCHEN. The Town Clerk mentioned also that Mrs Captain Morris had lately left Z, i oo in her will for the benefit of the Soup-kitchen. CORPORATION RECORDS. In reply to a question, The Town Clerk said that he would be happy to show the Commissioner all the old Corporation records, which extended back as far as the days of Queen Elizabeth, ENGLISH CONGREGATIONAL CHURCH. The Rev D. J. Thomas said that Captain Morris and Mrs Morris had each left ^100 to the English Congregational Church. There was also 1--300 left by Mr Protheroe, Clifton. The Commissioner said that it was very important that all these should be recorded, so that members might know exactly what they were, in case there was any danger of their being lost. PRESBYTERIAN COLLEGE. Principal Evans gave the Commissioner the address in London, at which all the documents—about a cart load-could be inspected, relating to the Presbyterian Trusts. There was no separate endowment for Car- marthen College nor were the Board bound to maintain it, although they educated students there for the ministry, and made grants to the students at other colleges. In regard to all the charities, the Com- missioner gave directions for all the docu- ments relating to the matter to be forwarded to him, if they were not produced at the enquiry. At 12 45 p.m., the enquiry was adjourned until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday. The siting of the Commissioner was resumed at the Guildhall on Wednesday. LAMMAS-STREET CHAPEL. A letter was read from the Rev David Evans, stating that all the deeds relating to Iiimmas-street Independent Church would be placed before the Commissioners in a few days. ENGLISH CONGREGATIONAL CHURCH. Rev D. J. Thomas gave further particulars regarding the endowments of the English Congregational Church. The ,6300 had been paid by Mr Protheroe, of Clifton, as executor of the late Miss Thomas, formerly of Carmarthen. £ 22° had been paid for the organ, and Z60 for repairing the spite, the money having been borrowed from Mr Crossman. This mcney had been repaid and the balance and £ 140, raised by a bazaar, had been placed on deposit in the Bank. Zioo had been left by Capt. Morris to the Church but only £8¡ 13s had been I paid by the cxecutor (Mr J. F. Morris), as the estate of Capt. Morris did not come up to valuation, and the legacies had to be reduced pro rata. -111-ioo left by Mrs Morris had come to the Church on the death of Margaret Cotter, who was to enjoy the income for life. The deposit notes were produced for these amounts. The Commissioner advised the investing of these amounts either in Consols, India Stock, or other trust securities. ST. DAVID'S CHURCH. Rev T. R. Walters gave particulars of the Miss Williams' charity. By the will proved in 1870, ^100 was left to the Vicar of St. Peter's and £ 100 to the Vicar of St. David's, to be divided amongst the poor at the discrition of the Vicars. The income of the St. David's legacy was jQ2 12s. No list was kept of the recipients either by himself or his predecessor. The Commissioner You do not confine the distribution to the- members of your own sect ? Rev T. R. Walters It is not a sect. I divide it amongst the poor generally. The Commissioner suggested that in future the Vicar should keep a list of the recipients. The Rev T. R. Walters said he knew what clerical work was, and he did not wish to add to it unless it was necessary. The Commissioner slid this was absolutely necessary. If the accounts of St. Peter's parish had been kept in the past as the Bishop now kept them, the charities would never have been lost.






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