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if mm mm I tOCK om t 915 rilSSIOW AT THE JOINT "OLiilE COMMITTEE. IE' ER fROM MR YOUNG. iNG A BETHEf DA POUCE OFFICER. At t quarterly meeting of the C .rnaf- voribli: Joiut Police Committee h< Id at thy Cü ;y ilrii, Carnarvon, on Thursday, 3,1' G. Jja-rbishire (chairman) pre idin.4, Mr J. ■ Pritchard. a" chairman ft tio Finance "ù!.ll:i1"le; presented the lc( ouii, c,. >j.i s.).i._i he committee passed the principal bills. Lu' -ei for further consideration tbri aim .n.u. to £1;)0 for the extra police K€Ut. to ..an^fr from the North W, les a:- luring the troubles in ccrvjeci;on w: Hi. trie 3e:<-ida quarry. As there w; ,s a military orce at Longer a«c- the time, the y t, Fiuixnci" Conmuitee doubted v hethpr it was ne-c:ar to incur this expense, and ,ub- heq, iiad shown it wa-, not. hen there wa an item of LS 2s lOd for the 'hief Constabl 's expenses in going to C! .ssfcer and hi? 1. del expenses in Banger ourii the Penrliya nci.louts. This bill also the com- mittee d ferred. He moved that the other "bills be ] ii I. Mr Iss rd Davies seconded^ymu ask -d the Clerk w: -t was their legal ^osiiior as to the othe- bills. The C rk: If th2, expenses were i gulnr- ly incur ed they must be paid. The ("jer Constable said that ac :ording to the Police Act. of 1890, the. powe cf the Committee in regard to calling in d from other cc unties could be delegated by the Cemmiti cl to the, Chief Const abb The Ccmmitt -e under that clause delega ed their power t> the Chief Constable, with the pro- vision ti at he was to obtain the lssout of the Cha 'man and the Clerk to an/thing he might d. in the matter el obtai.Miig extra police. Mr J. R. Pritchard And if they make a mistake can wo charge tnOJn tK> ccst ? The C .ief Constable- said be obtained the consent of the Chairman and Clerk on this oceas-on I Mv J. Menzics: Then we need not bother any more about it. Mr J. Jones Morri-, said the Chairman of th" P-l:.co Committee o*i the occasion in question was away in Manchester, and only got a w re of a few words ou the matter, so ttat he heard rictriiii,, of the military being called ii.. He scarcely thought it was fair to the C hnirman to a.sk him to give his con- sent. without, disclosing all that the Chief Coastal o had done. Colc.,o-I Ruck said that had he had nil the Bri i-h Army at his back he would still have required; the extra police. The nu tt- ary er only intended to back up the police. Mr Jones Morris: If the Chairman was fully aware of all the circumstances, the question is whether he would have givjn his consent. The Chief Constable added that ho had some difficulty in finding the Chairman. Luckily he was able to get the Chairman's address over the tctephono from Penmaen- uaawr. Mr J. E. Greaves said it was clear that Colonel Ruck was in order. Mr J. Meimes moved aud Mr H. Knee- shaw seconded that the bills in question be paid. This was ultimately carried unani- mously. LETTER FROjI MR YOrXG. The Chainna-n said he thought that was I 9 convenient time to call attention to a. letter which the Chief Constable had re- ceived iil regard to the Penrhyn business from Mr E. A. Young. It was not marked private.a-nd he (the Chairman) could under- staud that the Chief Constable was placed in a difficulty. He was anxious to do what was right, and he felt that as long as cer- tain circumstances obtahied in th B 'th- escia district that particular district, was a mcnr.ce to the peace cr the whole county. The letter, dated January 31st, was as fol- lows I "'Colonel Ruck, Carnarvon. — Dear sir, — In view of the probability of my dc-ciding shortly to restart work witn some of the iate officials as quarrymen, accompanied by other workmen'who wish to work but are at present afraid to do so, I may soon have to call upon you to give ample protection to each individual workman both at his home I and cu his way to and from work.—Yours truly, E. A. YOUNG." F, 01, The Chairman said that Colonel Ruck had been kind enough to show him that letter, and he asked the Clerk's advice upon w. The Clerk was cf opinion that it was not the duty of the Chief Constable to provide policemen to chaperon the work- men to and from the quarry and to look after them at night for any lengthened period. He did not quite know whether the Police Committee had very much to do with tfcei matter. Still, they would be in- terested in having this information, and would have an opportunity of expressing their opinion thereon. Mr W. J. Parry moved, without any re- marks, that the letter be left Oil the table, .nd that Mr Young should take the respon- sibility himself of any action of that aort I that he might take. The Chief Constable said that on the re- ceipt of the letter two days ago he felt it was question for the magistrates to de. l with and as there happened to be a meet- ing of the bench that day at Bangor he went down and placed it before them. He told them it was advisable to summon a full meeting to consider it. It was sug- gested that in the meantime he should ask Mr loung to state what reason he had ior supposing that his workmen would be molested. He wrote to Mr \ouug to that effect, and had not yet had an answer. Al- though. he considered that the ni«* er >*a.s one for the, magistrates to deal with, as st hau reference to the preservation oi th; peace, he also thought it onv as to which he should1 taiv the Committee into his con- fidence, as he was placed in rather a ditti- cult position between the magistrates aud t.-ho Committee. The Chairman You feel you are between the devil and the deep blue sea? (laughter). Mr J. E. Greaves It is clear that the matter rests with the magistrates. I Asked RS to the legal pof;itioil, the ( lerk (Mr J. H. Bodvel Roberts) said if there I trere a. riot the Chief Constable would se- cure a. force necessary to deal with it. It ¡' was no matter for a bargain between Mr Young and the Chief Constable, who would act according to hiq judgment. MrW. A. Darbishire said Mr Young re- ferred not so much to rioting as to molesta- tion SlieD as would be an ordinary offence in case' of a strike. Mr Young ought to understand that he would never make the qaBOTjr pny in that way (npplause). I Mr J. Issard Dave's said that Colonel Ruck had been abused like o pickpocket for not. consulting the Committee, and now, when he consulted the Committee, he was toid that it rested with: him (''No, no"). Well, the Committee told Colonel Rack the matter rested witn the Bangor justices and himself. Colonel Ruck had put tho mat- ter before them in courtesy to the Com- mittee, anS there was no need to pass anT- resolution on the subject. Mr W. J. Parry was quite prepare). to w ithdraw if no notice was to be taken cf tho* better. "The Rev J. Hughes moved that they pass on Lo the next business. Mr D. JL\ Williams thought it proper that Colonel Ruck should have laid the letter before them. Mr R- Hughes (Llanfairfechan) said he was afraid the letter was only a counterpart of other letters which might have been re- ceived from the tame gentleman. Mr J. R. Pritchard, alluding to Mr Is- sard Da vies's remarks, said he had only blamed Colonel Ruck for bringing in the j military force before the power of the police had been tried. He still held the same opinion on that point. The subject then dropped. PRECAUTIONS AGAINST FURTHER DISTURBANCES, l'he Committee proceeded to consider the question cf hew to act in cases of simi- lar emergency to that which arose in con- nection with the la to disturbance at the Penrayn quarry, which was left over from the special meeting. Mr Jones Morris inovect that before any extra police- are em- ployed in the county the Chief Constable should consult the Chairman of the Police Committee and the four ex-chairmen, Mr W. J. Parry, Captain Stewart, Cel. Wynne Kmch, and Mr b. P. Wiiliams, the Com- mittee to have a quorum of three. Replying to the Clerk, Mr Jones Morris said it would be, in order to summon the Committee by telegram in case of neces- sity. in order that the Committee might all r side near Carnarvon, Mr Pritchard sub- stituted the name of the Lord Lieutenant <.V!i- Greaves) for Colonel Wynne Finch. Mr Greaves thought it wiser to leave the matter in. the discretion of the Chief Con- stable, after consultation with the Chair- man and Clerk as at present. The Clerk If the Chief Constable tells the Clerk a thing is necessary, I am afraid the Clerk must say "ves." The Chairman And the Chairman is in very much the same position. Mr Kneeshaw: We cannot relieve the Chief Constable of his responsibility- Mr J. R. Prichard seconded the motion. All the gentlemen had experience of the county and cf the business cf the Commit- tee, and the Chief Constable would get bet- ter advice, perhaps, from them than that which he acted upon in the Penrhjn mat- ter. The discussion was continued by Mr John Hughes, Portdinorwie, Mr R. M. Greaves, Mr Mcnzies, and others. Replying to various inquiries, Mr J. J. Morris explained that the Committee would consist of five members, throe to form a quorum. Mr J. F. Greaves was strongly cf opinion that if the resolution was adopted it wouid be most ur.fair to the Chief Constable. Mr \V J. Parry explained that the Chief Constable's position would be pre- cisely as it was on the last occasion. On that occasion the Chief Constable had con- sulted certain persons whose names had not been dise.osed to the Committee, and had presumab.y acted on their representa- tion. Instead of unknown and irrespon- sible persons, this resolution supplied the Chief Constable with a committee posses- sing the full ecnfideuce cf the Police Com- mittee. Mr J. R. Pritchard and "Mr D. P. Wil- liams strongly* supported Mr W. J. Parry's views. After some discussion, the motion was carried by a large majority, the only dis- sentients being Mr J. Issard Davies, Mr J. Menzies, Mr lviiceshaw, Mr J. E. Greaves, I and Mr W. A. Darbishire. The Lord Lieutenant declining to act en that Committee, the name of Mr J. Jones Morris was substituted for that of Mr J. E. Greaves. A BETIIESDA POLICE OFFICER COMPLIM ENTED. Mr W. 3. Parry had given notice of a motion to the following effect: "That this Committee hereby records its approval of the conduct of Police Sergeant T. Owen for the manner in which he performed his duties during the disturbance at the Pcn- rhyn Quarry, and for his undertaking to execute h" warrants without the aid cf the milita.r" Before the motion was moved, Mr J. Is- sard Davic.s asked the Chairman s ruling on the question whether such a motion was in order. He thought the proper way would have been to bring such a matter before the Committee through the Chief Con- stable. Otherwise it would be subversive of all discipl'ne. Mr Parry explained that the circum- stances were exceptional. The intention was to serve the warrants through the aid of the military. Sergeant Owen offered to serve the warrants himself and to bring the men to Bangor this he did. They cculd not say how much the county had been saved hv Sergeant Owen's action. The Chairman ruled the motion to he in order. The Chief Constable, on bein<* appealed to, said that Sergeant Owen had undoubt- edly shown great tact and discretion. T e would have referred to it in the reperl, if the Penrhyn trouble had lveen quite over. Unfortunately, as had been seen by what had transpired that day, the Penrhyn Quarry incident could not yet ba regarded as quite closed. Mr W. A. Darbishire supported Mr Is- sard Davies's views. Sergeant Owen had only performed his duty in doing what he did. ,;¡ir Brymer thought that under the ex- ceptional circumstances oi" the case the I special approval of the action of Sergeant )wen by the Police Committoe should ap- k ?ar in the records of the Committee. Mr Lssard Davies said in view cf what I"e Chief Constable had said he thought the Committee might record a unanimous vote. | The motion was then put and unauimous- j Ir agreed to.

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