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dARDIFF BOARD OF GUARDIANS. The weekly meeting of the Board of Guardians of the Cardiff Union, was held on Saturday, Mr. E. W. David, chairman, presiding, and there were present Messrs. J. Pride, R. Cory, J. Cory, P. Bird, W. H. Martin, J. E\ans, H. J. Paine, M.D., T. L. Glaves, C. French, Eli Evans, &c. The Master's report showed that there had been 29 admissions, 1 birth, 9 discharges, and 1 death during the Weeli, leafing 311 in the House, being a decrease of 44 upon the corresponding week of last year. The number of tramps relieved during the week was 39, at g cost of 3s. llid. The report of Mr. Harris, the mas- ter of the Seboois; was to the effect that no children had been admitted, and nine discharged, the number remaining being 271, an increase of 11 upon the cor- responding week of last year. A number of bills, passed by the finance committee, were approved by the board, including one sent in by Mr. R. B. Watkins, for one quarter's registration fees, of 61. A difficulty having arison with regard to the supply of stones from the ballast tips at the Bute Docks, and the price, owing to the scarcity, having been raised, it was resolved that the board should put itself in direct communication with thô dock authorities, instead of buying through a contractor'. THE ADVANCE OF SMALL-POX. Dr. PAINE said he wished to move a resolution, Which was intended to meet a difficulty they would probably soon be placed Iti; It Was well known that the present epidemic of small-pox was :p':I')din to an enormous extent in every direction. Fortunately, so. far, the Cardiff Union had been most successful in resisting its approach; but he feared they would not be able to do that much longer. There were certain localities in the rural districts whøre, if small-pox should be introduced, it would spread in tbN, same degree as in other and neighbouring towns. He vidr,fcl tnove that a meeting of the sanitary committee should hteld next week, i for the purpose of considering the whole idaittferj and whether any and what further steps were required to be taken. Among the details which they would have to consider was the fdesirability of providing an hospital for the reception of small-pox. The suggestion of Dr. Paine was adopted, and a sanitary committee meeting was fixed for Wednesday at three. The Clerk said he received from Mr. Williams a week ago an intimation that a case of small-pox had occurred at Rudry. He thought it desirable to com- week ago an intimation that a case of small-pox had occurred at Rudry. He thought it desirable to com- municate with the Sanitary Inspector of that district, Mr. Superintendent Matthews, of Pontypridd, who very promptly, in fact, immediately, visited the case himself, and gave directions for the disinfection of the house and other necessary steps. He mentioned this to the Board in order to show the extremely prompt manner in which Mr. Matthews acted (hear, hear). The CHAIRMAN remarked that he was sorry to hear, as he came in that morning, from the Inspector at Canton, that a case of small-pox had occurred at Can- ton, the sufferer being a child eight months old, so that they had, at last, small-pox in their district. He asked Dr. Paine if there was any in Cardiff. Dr. PAINE said there had been only six cases during the last month; three were sailors and the others were imported cases but he was sadly afraid the district was surrounded by it. THE ADOPTION OF A CHILD. A letter was read from the Rev. A. Maguire, St. David's Presbytery, stating that Mrs. Connor, the wife of a person in a substantial positisn, in Staleybridge, who had no daughter, desired to adopt from the schools an orphan Catholic child, from 10 to 12 years old, whom she would send to school, and treat as her own daughter. The Rev. Mr. Maguire was in attendance, with a child whom he had selected and who was without parents or relatives. The board made the necessary enquiries, and then sanctioned the request. PROTESTANT MINISTRATIONS AND CATHOLIC PATIENTS. The Rev. Mr. Maguire said he would take the liberty, now that he was before the board, of referring to a matter which it would have been necessary for him to bring before them another time. The other even- ing he was called upon to attend the Refuge, to visit a Catholic inmate who was sick. When he went in he found a person there reading what must have been considered a Protestant religious service, in a room where there were four or five Catholics who could not move out of bed. He did not think that was legal, and he thought if the board knew it they would not sanc- tion it. The CHAIRMAN We are sorry if anything should be done distateful to the Catholic patients but I presume that the person was reading to the other sick people. What was he reading? Mr. Maguire Well, the individual or person-I can- not call him a gentleman, because I do not consider him belonging to our profession-was reading some- thing about Scripture. The CHAIRMAN What did you do ? Mr. Maguire When I found he was reading I at once closed the door, and did not go in until he had finished, and then I went to see my own patient. The CHAIRMAN You don't know what he was reading then he may have been reading the newspaper. Mr. Maguire I heard one or two words; it was a Parable of the Gospels. I made enquiries and found out that he was in the habit of reading there. The CHAIRMAN: Who is the gentleman ? Mr. Durke I believe it was Mr. Smart. Mr. R. CORY (to Mr. Maguire) You could not have any abjection to his reading the Scriptures ? Mr. Maguire: Not to the Scriptures themselves; but I object to the Scriptures read according to his views. Mr. CORY: He was reading the Scriptures. Mr. Maguire: But he selects only those portions which he likes, no doubt, and perhaps does not limit himself to the mere reading of the Scriptures-he makes comments, and that I certainly object to. The CHAIRMAN: But is that so, Mr. Maguire, that this gentleman does comment as he reads? Mr. Maguire: I cannot say so but the mere fact of that reading there aloud we object to on principle. For those who are not specially entrusted with the task to expound the Scriptures is the practice of a denomina- tion opposed to our doctrine. Mr. CORY: He was only reading the Scriptures. I do not see what right you have to object. Mr. Maguire But I do object. Mr. CORY: I say you have no right to object. Mr. Maguire I beg your pardon, and I think the law will support me in that in a Government institution like this. This minister also utters prayers, I believe. Mr. CORY: Do you object to that ? Mr. Maguire I object to the mere fact of the reading in the presence of Catholic patients. Mr. CORY: Then I say again you have no right to object. Dr. PAINE: If I apprehend the matter rightly Mr. Maguire wants to prevtnt any attempt at proselytising. Tho flTTATRMAN And very proper to. Dr. PAINE Yes I quite agree with him. If we can meet Mr. Maguire's objection, we shall be glad to do it, and if we can do it in a legal manner we will do it. If he will point out any means of preventing any attempts or suspected attempts at proselytising, we will take steps to adopt them. Mr. ELl EVANS: Speaking as a Guardian, I think it is our duty to take a broad view. My own feeling is, that I am sorry Mr. Maguire did not join the man who was reading the parable, and give a better explanation (hear, hear). I am grieved to think that a person of education should be so narrow-minded as to come here with such a complaint, when he did not know what the person was reading (hear, hear). Mr. CORY Why did you not go and read ? Mr. Maguire: We have other things to do. Our religious duties do not enable us to read. I was called to attend a sick person, who required what we call the last sacrament, and I was prevented for a time from administering it by this person, who was holding what I must call a public religious service in a room in which more than half the inmates were Catholics, Mr. ELI EVANS: We cannot get a different room for every different religion, Dr. PAINE I think, perhaps, to put an end to this discussion, it would be better for the matter to be brought before' the Visiting Committee, and for them to con- sider the complaint of Mr. Maguire, and if advisable remedy what he complains of (hear, Except in the sick wards, I apprehend the minister of any denomi- nation can have private communion with members of his own particular community, and there can be no possible objection to that (hear, hear). I should just as strongly object to a general religious aiseooirse from a Catholic priest in a room where Protestants were com- pelled to be present, as I should for a Protestant to minister in a room where Catholics were present. I think there is a great deal, however, in the objection Mr. Maguire has mentioned, and I think it would be more satisfactory for the Visiting Committee to give it their attention. Mr. EM EVANS The only means of meeting Mr. Maguire's objection is to have a room for Protestants and a room for Catholics. The CHAIRMAN I don't think that. But it is a matter for the Visiting Committee to consider. May I ask. Mr. Maguire, whether, after this gentleman left, you did administer the sacrament ? Mr. Maguire j No, I did not. I found the sick person was one to whom I had already administered the sacra- ment before she was brought into the Refuge. I had 6 seen her outside. The CHAIRMAN Was the person sick in bed ? — Mr. Maguire; Yes. The CHAIS^AS } Did you pray or read Scripture to her? Mr. Maguire: No there was no occasion. Mr. EM EVANS You did nothing, then ? Mr. Maguire ? No. I had already done all that is required by our ChtJrih lor persons in fear of death. The CHAIRMAN May I when you attend a sick person too ill to be removed frcrtt the Refuge, what is. your practice ? Do you administer your sacrament ia the presence of Protestant inmates ? Mr. Maguire Yes, when it is impossible to avoid it Eut the ceremony takes place in a low tone at tbe bed- side, and does not reach their ears, though it may fall under their observatio-iii Prayers are repeated in Latin after haying done ttiat, the Priest may say a few prayers in English. I do not think I have done so once in the Refuge though once in the Wotfkboase I did. That I should not object to-to the ministers going round to the bedside of those who belong to he Protestant Church; but when they go and read a sertiee publicly in the middle of a room where half the inmates are Catholics, I don't think that it is right, and I think I have authority for saying so. Mr. R. CORY: As a Guardian, I should have no objec- tion to your reading the Douay Testament to them afterwards. Mr. Maguire No doubt you are quite right, sir, from your point of view but I speak from mine. We believe we are both right in our opinions, with this difference that I believe also there is authority to support mine, which will determine the matter. The CHAIRMAN There appears to be great difficulty in this matter. When Protestants and Roman Catholics occupy the same room, I do not see how a religious ser- vice is to be communicated to a sick person of one Church without it being in the presence of the other. It is a matter that must be dealt with by the Visiting Committee. Father Maguire then thanked the board and with- drew, and the matter was referred. This was all the business.


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