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WELSH COMMISSION. A Quiet Day. PRIMITIVE METHODISTS. | Evidence for North Wales. WESTMINSTER, Wednesday. General evidence with reference to the Primitive Methodists in North Wales was sub- mitted to the Welsh Church Commission to- day, Lord Justice Vaughan Williams presiding, by the Rev. W. Willcock, secretary of the Shrewsbury district of the Connexion. The witness declined to accept the LonJJus- titfe's suggesti "c," that the Primitive Methodists seceded from the Wesleyans in 180S. The more accurate way of putting it, he said, would be to say that the gentlemen who founded the Connexion were expelled from the Wesleyan Church. He put in a copy of the deed poll, and explained the constitution of the Con- nexion, and proceeded to give statistics relat- ing to the churches of the Primitive Methodists in the counties of Denbigh, Montgomery, and Flint, which, be said, were included in the Shrewsbury district. The churches numbered 24-nine in Denbighshire, four in Flintshire, and 11 in Montgomeryshire, ministers six, lay preachers 77. The adherents numbered 1,998, and there was seating accommodation for 3,574. Sunday school scholars over 15 years of age numbered 645, those under 15 were 1,107, while there were 245 teachers. Dealing with churches contiguous to the Shrewsbury district, witness said there were seven in the Wrexham Circuit of the Liver- pool district, with one minister, 23 lay preachers, 740 adherents, and seating accommodation for 1,254. The Sunday school scholars over 15 years of age were 284, and those under 15 years of age were 1,604. There were three churches in Flintshire (connected with the Whitchurch Circuit in the Tunstall district), with two ministers, nine lay preachers, 2,878 adherents, and seating accommodation for 5,118. The Chairman Is it essential that your members should attend communion ?—Wit- ness No, but it is essential they should attend society class. Asked to define adherents," witness said the term meant regular worshippers who were not members. The Chairman said, after examining the schedules, that the adherent figures therein were all in round numbers, and were evidently estimates. Witness agreed, and said that the figures also included children. Later he said that all members were communicants, but the criterion of membership was attendance at class meet- ings. The Chairman In South Wales I see licensed victuallers are excluded from member- ship in your churches. Is that so in England, or in these North Wales counties ? Witness The resolution as passed by con- ference two years ago was that no one inter- ested in the Trade shall be accepted, and that was prospective, not retrospective. The Chairman Then you have got some members who are interested in the Trade ?- Witness Here and there you will find one or two perhaps. Later, the Chairman said The secretary has been comparing your tables with the figures that we find already given in the county statis- tics for North Wales, and we find the figures different in several respects. These county statistics give 54 Primitive Methodist chapels in North Wales, with a membership of 1,903. You give 34 chapels with 1,150 members. Witness explained that his evidenfce did not cover the whole of North Wales-only the Shrewsbury district. The Chairman We can, I daresay, identify from our returns figures relating to the churches which you have not included. Witness I can obtain and supply in. a few days full particulars relating to each of the North Wales churches that I have omitted. The Chairman We shall be glad if you will do so. Witness said he knew of no Primitive Methodist Church in which services were held in Welsh. There were no churches of the connexion in any of the Welsh-speaking counties. Archdeacon Evans asked what was the interest in the drink traffic which would disqualify a person from membership with the Primitive Methodists. Witness said that any and every such interest would disqualify if it came to the knowledge of the leaders. Certainly a person holding shares in an hotel or brewery would be disqualified. Rev. Morgan Gibbon I suppose you aje entirely an English denomination ?—Yes, exclusively English. (
SPEARED TO DEATH. Cairo, May 12.—Further details concerning the murder of Mr Scott Moncrieff have been obtained at Khartum from people who came from near Tugr. It appears that before Mr Scott Moncrieff and Mohammed Effendi Shareef started for Tugr they were warned to keep clear-of Abdel Kader. .Unfortunately they disregarded this warn- ing. When they reached Tugr they got off their camels and went unarmed on foot to the vil- lage, where they met Abdel Kader, who in- vited them to his house. They accepted the invitation and were offered tea. While drink- ing it they were attacked by Abdel Kider and his followers and stabbed to death with spears. It is stated that Mumur Shereef was killed first, and that when Mr Scott Moncrieff, who was sitting on an angareeb, a low couch, saw his companion was attacked, he bent his head and then waited for death with a smile. Mr Scoit-Moncrieff joined the service in 1906, and was appointed deputy-inspector of the Blue. Nile province in 1907. He was only 25. Router.
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Mayor and Councillor. ABERYSTWYTH TOWN AFFAIRS. Council Meeting Storm. At a meeting of Aberystwyth Town Council on Tuesday the town clerk reported that a writ of prohibition had been granted against the justices of Quarter Sessions in respect to the Mayor's apeal on the ground- that the appellant had not entered into recognisances for two sureties, which was a condition to be observed by Quarter Sessions before the Court could try the appeal. The appeal of the Mayor was against a transfer of X900 to the boroagh fund from the general district rate on the ground that it was illegal. n' Councillor Hopkins asked who hr d to pay the costs. The Town Clerk Each party will pay their own costs. Councillor Gibson supposed the Mayor would pay his costs out of his salary. The Mayor That is no business of yours. Councillor Gibson It is my business. The Mayor All I can say is the last has not been heard of it. Councillor Gibson Are you going on with it ? Councillor Wilkinson If the Mayor sees fit t) pay the costs out of his salary he would be quite justified in doing so. The Mayor The public are quite willing to pay my costs. Councillor Samuel, chairman of the Finance Committee, presented the estimates for the year, and said attacks were made upon him because he showed the public the exact position of the balances at the bank. The Mayor They were not exact. Councillor Gibson Why do you interrupt ? The Mayor I cannot allow incorrect state- ments to go by. Councillor Gibson Why don't you clear out of the chair ? The Mayor Order. I will not hesitate to have you removed when the time arrives. (Oh, oh.) Reference was made to a circular which was issued in the town dealing with the town's finances, and Councillor Gibson severely criticised it. The Mayor said he issued the circular. Councillor Gibson Good heavens Are you the author ?
NEXT OF KIN Add Others Wanted to Their Advantage The undermentioned persons are wanted in connection with the pstates of deceased per- sons :— Any inquiry relating to one of these notices must be accompanied by a cutting from this paper of the announcement to which it refers, and the distinctive letters and number should be repeated in the communication. Questions will be replied to as quickly as practicable, but not necessarily in the next issue. Butler, John James, son of the late Ann Mar- garet Butler, of Broadstairs, Kent, wanted to his advantage. L.L. 3281 Coutts, Jessie Elizabeth, who at one time re- sided at 117, Mount-street, Grosvenor-square, London, wanted to her advantage. T.P. 3282 Negus, Alfred James, who married Elise An- nie Phillips at Lewisham in 1869, or his next of kin, wanted to his or their advantage. T.P. 3283 Biggah, John, who was living at The Hol- lies," Queen.'s-road, Richmond; in 1896, or his representatives wanted. R.H. 3284 Camp, James Lawrence, who in 1883 was a scene painter in Church-road, Islngton, Lon- don, wanted to his advantage. T.D. 3285 McKinlay, Neil, residing in Glasgow about 1853, ir-other was daughter of Clark, farmer, Gar- rachra, Scotland. Heirs wanted. G.H. 3286 Wylie, Dr. James, carried on business and had a drug shop at 8, Wilson-street, Glasgow, about 1870. Heirs wanted. G.H. 3287
STIPENDIA-RY'S REBUKE. George Smith, Scott-street, was severely rebuked by the Cardiff Stipendiary on Wed- nesday. You will probably find," said his Worship, "before these proceedngs are over that this is not a laughing matter. Now just behave yourself in a proper manner." Mrs Clara Smith, who applied for a maintenance order, said she had been married 20 years, but lately her life had been a perfect misery," and even the children were in dread of her husband's footsteps. Cross-examined by Mr Sydney Jenkins (who appeared for the husband), complainant denied that she was violent in temper, but she cer- tainly had a temper. It was untrue that the trouble bad arisen because of a lodger. Mr Jenkins, on behalf of defendant, offered Mrs Smith 10s a week, and the Stipendiary made an order for that amount with costs. Mr Alec Morris was for the complainant.
CARDIFF FIRE ALARM. An alarm of fire was raised in Cardiff on Wed- nesday, a telephone message being received at the Central Fire Station that a fire had broken out on the premises of Messrs Noah Rees and Sons, hay and corn merchants, Working-street. Anticipating a big fire, Supt. Geen at once turned out both the horse and motor fire engines. Arriving at Working-street dense volumes ot smoke were observed coming apparently from the back of Messrs Rees's premises. Investigation revealed, however, that the smoke really came from the chimney of Messrs Fulton and Dunlop's messroom in the stable yard, the chimney being on fire. The fire was put out in a few minutes with a hand pump. A large crowd coliected in an in- credibly shurt time.
Languishing Interest. PERSECUTION, TOLERATION, AND EQUALITY. Mr Runciman and Nonconformity. In the House of Commons on Tuesday the debate on the second reading of the Elemen- tary Education (England and Wales) Bill was resumed by SirJ. COMPTON RICKETT (L.. Yorks), who agreed that it was to the interests of all parties that a settlement of the education con- troversy should be arrived at. He argued in favour of a system of undenominational religious instruction in the national schools. Mr F. E. SMITH (C., Liverpool) said the only method in which compromise and lasting peace could be attained was by a recognition of the principle of parental right. Mr JOHN DILLON (Nat.) said if Catholics were guaranteed against intrusion of Protestant teachers into their schools they would joyfully come into a national system. They welcomed public control so long as it still left their schools Catholic schools. Lord ROBERT CECIL (C.,Marylebone)said that two points which had emerged from the debate were that no ODe- was really in favour of the Government proposal, and no one yet knew what the Government proposed to do. (Opposition cheers.) There had been a change in the attitude of the Government on this question some people attributed this to the support given by some of the bishops to the Licensing Bill. He thought the action of the right rev. prelates was more creditable to their hearts than to their heads—(laughter)— and he considered that too much importance had been attached to the views of the Bishop of St. Asaph. The Education Minister. Mr RUNCIMAN, President of the Board of Education, pointed out that every single Liberal member returned at the last election was pledged to public control of rate-aided schools and no tests for teachers. The attitude of the Government had not been changed by the action of the bishops on the Licensing Bill. He thought the support given by the prelates to the Licensing Bill did them credit. (Ministerial cheers.) It showed that they were not opposed to a Bill simply because it happened to be proposed by a Liberal Government, but their action would have no effect on the educational policy of the Govern- ment. There had been no alteration in tone. The policy of the Government remained what it was. (Opposition cries of Oh," and What is it?") If hon. members opposite wished to know what that policy was they would find it embodied in the Bill now before the House. That Bill contained the main princi- ples to' which the Government adhered, namely, the principles of popular control and no tests for teachers, and it par- ticularly aimed at freeing the single school districts from the domination of one sect. If it was possible within these limits to arrive at any adjustment the Government were p e- pared to accept any amendments which, while not vitiating the principle, would en- able an accommodation to be arrived at. He warned Churchmen against indulging the belief that if they could hang on for two years longer and this Government went out of office all would be well with their schools. The Act of 1902 had opened the floodgates. Church of England schools had diminished in number since then, and local authorities hav- ing assumed some measure of control would not be satisfied with anything short of full control in return for rate aid. Dealing with terms upon which contracting out would be ar- ranged, he contended that the proposed grant of 47s was an ample and in' many cases a generous allowance. He did not wish the Catholic schools to be unfitted for the purpose for which they existed, but the position of the Government was that we should secure in this Protestant country a settlement on a Pro- testant basis, while making exceptional pro- vision for non-Protestant parents. That summed up the policy of the Bill. (Ministerial cheers.) Some gentlemen in that House were so ignorant about Nonconformists that they did not know there was any differencce be- tween a Presbyterian and a Baptist. (Laugh- ter.) Mr W. REDMOND What is the difference ? (Loud laughter and cries of Answer.") Mr RUNCIMAN I don't know that the difference can better be personified than by the difference between the Leader of the I Opposition and my right hon. friend who was president of the Baptist Union last year. (Laughter.) Continuing Mr RUNCIMAN dealt with the question of teachers' tests, in regard to which Nonconformists had long suffered under a grievance. Nonconformists had not been reared under the kindly patronage of the nobility and the gentry. (Opposition cries of "Oh.") For generations tbey had suffered persecution. Now, as men's minds widened persecution was passing into something which Wa& known as "toleration," (Laughter.) The Government believed toleration ought to be succeeded by equality. (Ministerial cheers and Opposition counter cheers.) The claim of equal rights for Nonconformity did not mean any desire to hurt the Established Church. (Hear, hear.) Those who hoped for a concilia- tory spirit did so for the sake of spiritual life as well as for the educational efficiency of the schools. They appealed to Churchmen and Nonconformists to take a broad view. The world was not so good that they could afford to dissipate their energies in wranglings and jealousies. The Church of England might have to give up some privileges, but the sacrifice would be well worth while, and she .must learn to recognise those who belonged to other re- ligious bodies as allies, and not subordinates in the long war between right and wrong. (Minis- terial cheers.) Sir WILLIAM ANSON (C., Oxford Univer- sity) said the Government policy towards Voluntary schools was that of robbery and confiscation aggravated by legal chicanery. Mr YOXALL (L., Nottingham) advised the Government to withdraw the Bill and set up a round table conference. If that failed, let them next Session bring in a Hill on Liberal principles, affirming complete public control over public money and no theological tests for public servants. If the House of Lords destroyed that Bill, let the Government go to the country upon it. He could not support the second reading of the present Bill. Nearly a Count Out. Mr EDMUND LAMB drew attention to the fact that there were not forty members present, but a quorum was quickly obtained. Mr WYNDHAM (C., Dover) said they did not know where they were on the question, and the Government declined to tell them. The President of the Board of Education had stated their policy to-day. It was not the policy yesterday of the First Lord of the Admiralty, and they did not think it would be the policy which would be enunciated by the Prime Minister to-morrow. (Opposition cheers.) Mr McKlNNON WOOD (Parliamentary Secretary Board of Education) said the leaders of Nonconformity had endeavoured to bring about a peaceful solution, and for that they deserved the thanks of the country. He could not but express regret at the tone of certain criticisms which he could only describe as a tone of contemptuous opprobrium. (Minis- terial cheers.) The tone of the First Lord of the Admiralty was conciliatory, but Lord Balcarres ignored that spirit of conciliation. (Ministerial cheers.) But the speech of Lord Balcarres was reasonableness itself compared with that of Mr Joynson Hicks, which seemed to be so much approved by hon. members opposite that they had never ceased cheering it. It was not the desire of the Government to have peace at any price. There were certain root principles to which the Government would firmly adhere. They had shown they had an open mind on the question of machinery. (Ministerial cheers.) The debate was adjourned. r
GOVERNMENT & COMPROMISE. Special Case of the Catholics. In the House of Commons on Wednesday the debate on Mr McKenna's motion that the Education Bill be read a second time, and on Lord Balcarres' motion for its rejection, was resumed. MrBELLOC (L., Salford) continuing his speech, interrupted overnight by the adjourn- ment, said there was no claim so strong as that of the Catholics, and it was possible to recon- cile that claim with even the Government Bill. He ascribed the reduction in the Liberal vote at recent bye-elections to the loss of the Catholic vote. Col. WILLIAMS (C., Dorset) asked the Government to consider whether it was really worth while to take a division on the Bill, for that division would be merely on party lines and would mean nothing. It was evident from the tone of the speeches that contracting-out must go and that he did not think the Govern ment was anxious to force its own defeat. He welcomed the prospects of a compromise. The compromise which appealed to him was one which demanded sacrifices from both sides— from the Nonconformists that there should be denominational teaching in the Council schools and from the Churchmen that thev should admit in their schools on certain davs of the week religious instruction which was* not satis. fying to them. Mr T. P. O'CONNOR (Nationalist) objected to the Bill because it was a Jess fair and less generous settlement of the Catholic case than that in the Bill of 1906. He balieved contract- ing-out was the worst scheme that could be proposed. He would accept contracting-out if there were no other method, but he would oppose it as long as he could as unjust to the Catholic citizen, to the Catholic taxpayer, and to the young generation of Catholics whose educational efficiency would be impaired. There was not the same need for special treat- ment for Protestants as for Roman Catholics and Jews. Sir GEORGE WHITE (L., Norfolk) said the Catholic position was the crux of the situation. He was prepared to go a long way to meet the necessities of the Catholic case, but to ask them to conseht to the concurrent endowment of all religions when they were opposed to the endowment of any religion, was asking them to go too far. to go too far. Sir JOHN KENNAWAY (C.. Decon) be. lieved that things wore now tending to a satis- factory conclusion and that there was reason- I able hope of some settlement. Churchmen were willing to give up a good deal for the sake of peace. If the present strife were protracted until it landed us in a secular system it would be a disgrace to our common Christianity. Mr HAROLD COX (L., Preston) congratu- lated the Government upon its late conversion to a sound principle, namely, that called con- tracting out. But he contended that while permitting denominational schools to go away from local control they ought to also give them rate aid as well as State aid, as other- wise they would be starved. The President of the Board of Education, was a harmless insect on the bureaucratic wheel. (Laughter.) The great machine over which he presided poured out £14,000,000 of the taxpayers'money. most of which was wasted. It was because the Bill provided an escape from that that he welcomed it. Mr JBlLIS GRIFFITH (L., Anglesey) said the contracting out clause was not part of the principle of the Bill, but merely a concession to the other side of the House. It rested with Mr Balfour whether there would be a settle- ment, and he hoped that a compromise would be effected. 'Mr Balfour. Mr BALFOUR (C., City of London), who was received with loud- Opposition cheers, con- trasted the speeches of Mr McKenna and Mr Runciman in regard to the Bishop of St. Asaph's Bill, in which the former said it was so like his'own Bill that their own mothers would not know them apart, while the latter denounced the Bishop of St. Asaph's Bill op behalf of himself and his colleagues. How those two Ministers could sit in the same Cabinet and on the same Bench puzzled him as much as it did to know how Mr McKenna and Dr. Macnamara could sit together to discuss battle- ships and cruisers when one had described a large portion of the Bill of the other as some- thing essentially disgusting. (Laughter and Opposition cheers.) He hoped they agreed better on naval matters. The Government had come forward with their old proposals un- modified, and they were forced to criticise the Bill as one which theGovernment had declared its intention to pass. He did not call that conciliation. (Opposition cheers.) It was almost an outrage to ask the House to discuss for the greater part of a Parliamentary week a measure which not only did not contain any element of compromise but was absolutely inconsistent with efficient education and with the elementary principles of justice. Contracting out violated the Liberal principles of public control and no tests for teachers, for every school contracted out was not under public control and had tests for teachers. He had never denied that there was a grievance in single school areas, but that grievance was not caused by the 1902 Act but was inherited from the liberal Act of 1870. (Opposition cheers.) The Nonconformist parent was not the only parent who deserved consideration, and by that Bill they were setting up a new grievance for Church of England parents in single school areas. He believed that more could be done to find some teaching which all Protestants could accept. (Ministerial cheers.) The two unfortunate inexplicable dogmas- popular control and no tests-had stood in the way of any real arrangement. He did not be- lieve that in substance there was any difference between the two sides of the House. In the country they found Nonconformists and Churchmen in perfect harmony. Why should not that be so in the House ? (Cheers.) He thought it could be done. Premier and Conciliation. Mr ASQUITH, who was received with loud Ministerial cheers, said that the controversy had now reached a stage when in the best in- terests of the nation and of the churches some settlement should be arrived at. He was dis- appointed at the attacks which had been made on Mr McKenna and Mr Runciman after their conciliatory speeches, which had not en- couraged those who were anxioustor a settle- ment. He agreed that it was not the Act of 1902 which had started the Nonconformist grievance, but it had intensified it. illrbalfour had a complete misconception of the Bill as re- garded Cowper-Temple teaching. It was not proposed to make it compulsory, but that in the case of non-provided schools transferred to the local authority the trustees could stipu- late that Cowper-Temple teaching should be given as requested. In taking over the Church schools they were going to pay rent while the denominationallsts had the use of them on Saturday and Sunday. To call that- confiscation was an exaggeration. On behalf of the Government he said quite clearly and frankly that they were anxious to listen to any suggestions that might be made for the modification of the terms and conditions under which facilities will be granted which were not inconsistent with the fundamental principles of the Bill. In regard to the Roman Catholics, he must say at once that they stood in a different position. They had a special claim on the House for the ser- vices they have rendered to education. They were the poorest community in the country, and in their case Cowper-Temple teaching would not do. It was not only incomplete, but it was a perversion of their views. They required special teaching, and also, to meet the requirements of Roman Catholic parents, they insisted that the teachers must be Roman Catholics. They had done their best to devise, a, remedy, and ilp ponfessed it had not been easy. They cottld not dovetail those schools into a national system of education, and that was their justification for contracting out. He confessed it required some justification. He did not like contracting out, but there was no escape from it. The Roman Catholics' great objection was in regard to the amount of the grant. That was clearly a matter for con- sideration and negotiation, and the Govern- ment was quite ready to consider it. (Cheers.) The right hon. gentleman went on: There is one overriding and transcending condition, the maintenance by the central authority of an iiTeducible and always rising standard of educational efficiency. (Ministerial cheers.) That applied to every school. The Bill admits the grievance of the Nonconformist; it at- tempts to mitigate any grievance that may arise from the compulsory transfer of non- provided schools in the rural districts. I ask the House to consider whether an agreement is not possible. The churches are dra-wirtg to- gether and are more and moi e anxious not to throw away the substance for the shadow. Educationists are eager for the same result. I submit that great is the responsibility of anyone who, for political reasons, for the win- ning of elections, the manipulation of ma- jorities, and through reluctance to abandon serviceable and ca-ptivating election cries, stands between what I consider are the wishes of the people and the best interests of the children of the country. (Ministerial cheers.) The House divided :—• For the second reading 370 Against the second reading 205 Government majority.. 165 On the motion of Mr Asquith, the Bill was committed to a Committee of the whole House. Primate's Declaration. A vigorous declaration of the policy of the Church of England with regard to religious education in elementary schools was made by the Archbishop of Canterbury on Tuesday afternoon, in presiding at the ninety-seventh annual meeting of the .National Society. He said the National Society stood to make it clear that they regarded religion as an essen- tial part of education, and that that religion when given must be given definitely and not vaguely must be given competently by those who were qualified to give it; and must be given honestly by those who believed what they were teaching.. They were passing now through a time of anxiety and strife, and, as had already been the case, they were abso- lutely at one for the principles for which they stood. They maintained those principles for everybody and not for themselves and their Cnurch alone. Archdeacon Edmondes and Compromise. The Archdeacon of Llandaff (the Ven. F. W. Edmondes, M.A.) delivered his annual charge at St. Mary's Parish Church, Cowbridge, on Tuesday to a large gathering of the clergy and laity, Archdeacon Edmondes, in the course of his address, said that the Education Bill had been discussed this week in the House of Commons, and it was possible that there might be some change in the position. Mr Mc- Kenna's statement the previous evening im- plied that the Government were more or less prepared for a certain amount of compromise. With regard to compromise there had been a lot of talk, and men were very wary indeed in this question of elementary education. Com- promise where no vital principles were at stake was not at all a bad thing, but compro- mise must not -be all on one side.
Merthyr Corporation Bill A meeting of the Merthyr County Borough Council was held on Monday evening, the Deputy-Mayor (Mr F. T. James) presiding. A report sent up by the Parliamentary Com- mittee showed that negotiations had taken place with Messrs William Evans, H. W. Martin, and Gwilym C. James, representing Messrs Guest, Keen, and Nettlefolds, Ltd., in regard to road-widening proposals provided for in the Corporation Bill now before Parliament. The company had petitioned against the clauses in the Bill relating to the widening of the road at Pontmorlais. and they now agreed to withdraw their petition on the following terms The Corporation to pay £1,750 to the com- pany for the freehold and all the company's rights and interests in the site of the Old Tramroad, having an average width of 10 yards, from the General Hospital to Pont- storehouse the contract for sale to be pre- pared by Messrs Gwilym James, Charles, and Davies, solicitors to the company, and sealed by the company the Corporation to pay the solicitors 73 guineas, this sum to include, so far as the Corporation were concerned, vendors' costs under the Land Clauses Con- solidation Acts. Mr William Evans (general manager) and Mr G. C. James (solicitor) also met the com- mittee on behalf of Messrs Crawshay Bros., who had petitioned against the clauses in the Bill relating to the Cefn Bridge. An agree- ment was arrived at in regard to this matter also. The report was adopted and the agreements sealed, the ex-Mayor (Mr Simons) remarking that the Corporation would now be enabled to remove an eyesore and carry out an improve- ment ia one of the most dangerous parts of the borough.
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South Wales Support. MOUNTAIN ASH CONVENTION. Visit of Mr Keir Hardie. IMPRESSIVE DEMONSTRATION. The Bill in Relation to Clubs. On Wednesday a convention of temperance workers and others interested in the Licensing Bill was held at the Workmen's Institute, Mountain Ash. In the afternoon, the gather- ing was attended by representatives of the Church of England and all the Nonconformist j Churches in the town and district, Mr Wm. Jenkins, the secretary of the local branch of the Church of England Temperance Society, presided, the special subject for discussion being the Licensing Bill in relation to clubs. The subject was introduced by Rev. E. Evans, of Duffryn-street C.M. Chapel, who said that the Bill would do something to cope with the evils of theclub system by compelling all clubs to be registered, and in the case of new clubs making provision whereby the regis- tration could be opposed as licences were now opposed before the magistrates. (Hear, hear.) It also made provision for a certain amount of police supervision. All this was valuable, but they wanted more stringent regulations still. The solution of the club problem was to place them on the same footing as the public-houses. (Cheers.) On the motion of the Rev. Owen Jones, seconded by Rev. T. Anthony, a resolution calling upon the Government to strengthen the clause as to clubs was passed unanimously. GREAT MASS MEETING. There was a mass meeting in the evening, the chair being occupied by Rev. W. Morris, D.D. (Rhosynog), Treorky. The hymn, Marchog Icsu yn llwyddianus," was sung with great fervour by the huge audience. The demonstration in favour of the Bill from first to last was most impressive. The Chairman read a telegram of regret from Mr D. A. Thomas, M.P., for non-attend- ance, the hon. member being detained in the I House of Commons for the second reading of the Education Bill. The Chairman said we had reached a momentous crisis in the history of the nation, fort the Licensing Bill was not a lopal, sectarian, or party question, but an Imperial question. (Applause.-) He then dealt with those clauses of the Bill which made for sobriety,including thereductionof thenum- ber of public-houses, and local veto for Wales. He denounced clubs and grocers' licences, which in his opinion did more evil than public houses. (Hear, hear.) He appealed for enthu- siasm in this great fight. In the spirit of Cromwell's Ironsides they were going forward in the strength of the Lord of Hosts. (Loud applause.) A resolution, proposed by Rev. Owen Jones, seconded by Dr. Arthur Jones, congratulated the Government upon the general provisions of the Bill, regarded the time limit as generous, and expressed a. hope that provision would be made to prevent the growth of clubs and the closing of all clubs in Wales on Sundays. The resolution expressed regret that the Bill would not abolish grocers' licences, and that the clause dealing with children was not made prohibitive, but welcomed the ex- tension of Sunday closing to Monmouthshire and the introduction of local veto for Wales. Mr Vaughan EdwaMs, supporting the resolu- tion, said that in the House of Commons recently it was declared with a sneer that the II inception ofthe Biil was Socialism. He looked upon that as a compliment, and ventured -to say that if elevating the down-trodden and helping those who helped themselves was Socialism, then he was a Socialist. (Applause.) The great principles of the Bill were to lessen the excessive number of public-houses and to restore to the people the unfettered control ol the Trade. The first principle was adopted in 1904 by the Conservative Government, and what was right in 1904 could not be wrong to- day. (Hear, hear.) The Act of 1904 gave com- pensation on the scale of profits, a very un- certain criterion, but the present Bill would give compensation on the basis of the assess- ment of the houses for inland revenue. Rev. Canon Buckley, of Llandaff, who was loudly cheered, said that as both he and Mr Keir Hardie, M.P., had to leave at 9.15. and as the latter had travelled all the way from Lon- don to address them, he (Canon Buckley) I would not address them, but promised to come to Mountain Ash again before the Bill went up to the House of Lords. (Hear, hear.) Mr J. Keir Hardie, M.P., who received an ovation, said he was himself a lifelong ab- stainer, and did not want to minimise the value of total abstinence or the policy of the temperance party, but their appeal in support of the Bill must be made to the average citizen. (Loud applause.) The Bill must be carried, not because it pleased the teetotalers, but because it pleased the citizens of the country. Dealing with the cry of confiscation, he said that during the next'fourteen years generous compensation would be paid to the holders of licences. A publican whose house without a licence was worth E25 a year had to pay a rent of f,125 a year with a licence. If his license was taken away under the Bill in the first year he would receive compen- sation at 13 years' purchase or 13 times the yearly value of the difference in rent,viz., £1,300, and in addition two years' profits, at least 1300, and the value of the fixtures and fittings, say £100, making iEl,700 in all. (" Shame.") Was that con- fiscation ? 'At the end of 14 years the people of this country would be able by local veto or other means to deal with the remaining licences as they might think fit. (Applause.) The Bill was a fair and generous measure to the owners of the existing monopoly, and the fight was one for justice, for right, and for morality. (Loud applause.) The resolution was carried unanimously.
THE PUBLICAN'S DAUGHTER. Alleged Persecution at Swansea. The conference of the Licensed Vctuallers' Defence League opened in Bradford on Wed- nesday. The Licensing Bill was the principal object of discussion. Mr Tarr, of Swansea, spoke of the vile and malicious persecution which had been adopted by some clerical extremists, who penalised a little child because she happened to be the daughter of a publican—a persecution which was now spreading through all sections of the community. Councillor Coates, of West Hartlepool, said the Church might some day want a lease of life, and how could members of that Church ex- pect support when their turn came,, The conference adopted resolutions declaring that the Legislature had created public faith in the security of public-house property for trad- ing and investment purposes, and ought not to confiscate interests lawfully acquired. The conference also declared that there was no monopoly value as meant by the Government. Any enhanced value was due to the capital, intelligence.. and diligence of the licence holder. REV. J. T. RHY8AT COITY. The Inconsistencies ef the Opposition. A well attended public meeting in support of the Licensing Bill was held at the Council Schools, Coity, on Wednesday night. Mr John Morris, who presided, said the best argument in support of the Bill was the presence at the Albert Hall on Saturday last of men who differed so widely as the Bishop of London and Mr Arthur Henderson. The Rev. J. T Rhys,%Aberdare, said that at an opposition meeting held in that neighbour- hood the previous week representatives of the Trade had objected to the Bill because it would not promote temperance, and would throw many people out of employment and impoverish the National Exchequer. If it were true that the Bill would increase drinking it was very singular that the brewers were so energetic in opposing it, and that every tem- perance organisation in the country was sup- porting the Government. (Hear, hear.) If the passing of the Bill was going to aggravate the problem of unemployment it was fctrailge that the Labour party were unanimously and enthusi- astically supporting the measure. If the Bill was going to seriously cripple the financial resources of the nation, it was not likely that Mr Lloyd-George would give it such strong support. As a matter of fact, the effect of the Bill would probably be diminution of drunkenness, decrease of unemployment, and a decrease in rates. (Applause.) Dealing with the objection that Mr Balfour's Act of 1904 had not had a fair chance, the speaker said the jTesponsibility for that did not lie with temperance reformcrs. Owners of licensed houses had done little to facilitate the opera- tion of that Act. Licensing authorites had also been at fault. Almost throughout the whole of Wales the Balfour Act of 1904 was set in abeyance by the licensing authorities, who were almost invariably Conservatives. Speeches were also delivered in support of the Bill by Rev. G. Jones, Pencoed, and Rev. G. R. Griffiths, Coity. The resolution in support of the measure was carried. MR W. ROCH AT HAVERFORDWEST. Women and the Temperance Vote. Speaking at a public meeting held at Haver- fordwest on Tuesday night in support of the Licensing Bill, Mr Walter Roch (the prospec- tive Liberal candidate for Pembrokeshire) said the licensing question would not be settled by total abstainers or bigoted Puritans (as they were called at a recent meeting), but by men whom Lord Rosebery had called the political freethinkers," men who were not labelled one side or the other, but who, when- ever they got to understand what the real issue was, would look upon it fairly and with- out prejudice. They heard a great deal in this coniroversy about the rights of property and of the poor widows and orphans, who seemed to be extraord inarily-speculati ve—(laughter)— but did.they hear much of the human note, which ought to be sounded as loudly as pos- sible ? He referred to the number of separation orders granted last year on account of habitual drunkenness. One of the reasons why he had always been in favour of votes for women was because he did not think they would ever get a really solid temperance vote until the women were enfranchised. He thought there was one feature of the last 20 years which caused people who believed in temperance to be full of hope, and that was that the public-house as part of our national life was slowly but gradu- ally disappearing. So far as he could ascertain there were 56 licences in Haverfordwest, and the maximum number remaining at the end of 14 years would be 12. He did not think that a very drastic measure, for while the reduction of about three a year was taking place it was probable that the premises would be turned into temperance houses, providing the best possible accommodation for man and beast. (Applause.)
EX-HOUSEKEEPER'S BABY. District Councillor Sued. ABERDARE CASE DISMISSED. At Aberdare Police Court on Wednesday a somewhat sensational case was heard, the defendant being Evan Watkin, of Abercrave, who was described as a district councillor, a member of the Pontardawe Board of Guar- dians, and the organist of Bethlehem Church, Abercrave. Defendant, who was represented by Mr St. John Francis-Williams, was sum- moned to show cause by Mary Jane Roberts,. for whom Mr Griffith Jones, Swansea, ap- peared. Complainant had been defendant's house- keeper for three years. She was now living at Aberdare,and had been there since April. She gave birth to a child on the 24th August last. She issued a summons against defendant at Ystradgynlais, but when she got to the court she took some drink, and was very excited, and was unable to tell her story pro- perly. The result was that the case was dis- missed. She had had a child before, and defen- dant knew it. He had intercourse with her the first time in October, 1906. Early in March she knew of her condition, and told defendant. On cMod Friday, 1907, she allowed Howell Griffiths, a fellow servant, to be familiar with her. This was at the instigation of the defen- U dant. Defendant gave her iC15 in consequence, and tried to get Griffiths to marry her, pro- mising to give her £100 and to in- crease Griffiths's wages by 5s a week. Griffiths refused to'marry her. She went, after the child was born, to Mr Jarrett, police officer, at Abercrave, and asked for a summons against Griffiths in respect of the child. That was at the instigation of the defendant but she sizbsequitnttk Chifiixged heir fnind and re- fused to swear the information. Applicant was cross-examined at very great length, but adhered to her story. Several witnesses were called, and the defen- dant was also put into the box. He was questioned at some length as to money he had given to the complainant and her mother. He said the JE15 was a present, as he thought com- plainant was about to be married to Griffiths. The iFlO given later on was for them to secure legal advice. He denied having been intimate with applicant. Mr John L. Jones, of Swansea, said Griffiths had called on him and asked if he could find him work. Questioned why he was leaving defendant's employment, Griffiths said he was blamed for getting his fellow servant into trouble. At this point the Bench intimated that they had heard enough and would dismiss the case. Mr St. John Williams said he had 16 more witnesses to call.
PENGAM SCHOOL VINDICATED. Reply to County Councillors. At a meeting of Gelligaer County School Governors on Wednesday at Hengoed Mr R, W. Jones, B.A., headmaster of the Pengam Boys' School, by way of reply to statements at the meeting of the Monmouthshire Education Committee, pointed out that the subjects taught in the school were as required by the Board of Education to qualify a teacher, and submitted a return of the occupation or profes- sion of the parent or guardian of each boy attending the Pengam School. This showed there were 32 boys whose parents were profes- sional men, such as ministers, clergy, school- masters, and managers, 55 sons of tradesmen, 12 who belonged to farmers, 13 to clerks, 7 to agents, etc., and that 13 were sons of masons, carpenters, smiths, etc., 3 were railway-men's boys, and 63 were the sons of colliery work. men, making a total of 198 boys at the school. In regard to the pupil teacher probationers these were :—Sons of the professional class, 3 tradesmen, 8 farmers, 2 clerks, 3 crafts- men, 29 total, 46. In answer to the Chair- man. Miss James said that in the girls' school no distinction whatever was shown between one girl and another. She had not prepared a scheduled table, as Mr Jones had done, but would do so for the next meeting. Mr J. D. Thomas regarded the statements at the County Council as mere flights of rhetoric. The Chair- man said that so far as the two systems were concerned the county schools were adapted to the needs. It had always been a sore question under the old School Board, that of adequate provision for the teaching of pupil teachers. Mr Evan Thomas, C.C., Bargoed, was elected chairman in succession to the Rev. T. Jesse Jones, M.A., resigned, and Mr J. D. Thomas, J.P., was elected vice-chairman. Colonel M. Lindsay, Ystradmynach, was co-opted a member.
PUTRID FAGGOTS. Abertillery Butcher Heavily Fined. Considerable interest was taken in a case at Abertillery on Wednesday when Enoch Watkis, butcher, Abertillery. was summoned at the instance of the Abertillery District Council for having faggots exposed for sale which were unfit for human food on May 8th, and also for having faggots and black pud- ding unfit for food on the premises. Mr A. Dolman, Abertillery, appeared for the Council, and Mr W. J. Everett defended. Dr. Muir said that the faggots were in an advanced stage of putrefaction, and totally unfit for human food. They found a tin of faggots, which had been exhibited in the Win- dow, in the preparation room at the back, sur- rounded by tubs containing sheep-heads, &c., and also a quantity of minced meat. For the defence it was submitted that the faggots and the pudding were not exposed for sale, and had been taken to the back room in readiness to be taken away for pigs' food. After evidence had been given, the Bench retired, and on their return the Chairman (Mr E. Jones Williams) announced that the de- fendant would be fined £29 and 10 guineas costs, or three months' imprisonment in the second division, for exposing the faggots for sale and 10s, or seven days, for having putrid food in the preparation room.
POLICE DOG'S CAPTURE. F.ierce Fight with Apaches. Paris, Wednesday.—At Boulogne Seine last night a strong force of apaches made a deter- mined attempt to rescue six dangerous criminals who had been arrested and were being escorted from the police station to the prison vans. Twelve police and several gen- darmes who formed the escort were first met by a hail of stones, and immediately after 200 apaches rushed upon the police, assailing them with sticks, and endeavoured to release the chained prisoners. Batons, revolvers and fists were used by the police. and the combat lasted for a consider- able time. The assailants did not, take to flight until six guardians of the law had been injured. The police dog Panther made a capture. He pinned an apache who had knocked down a policeman, and held him until the arrival of his master.—Centra] News.
I Charter Party Dispute. ———————— BAHIA BLANCA DISTURBANCES. Barry Firm's Contention. In the Appeal Court on Wednesday before President of the Probate, Divorce, and Ad mi1* alty Division, and Lords Justices Fletcbef Moulton and Farwell, the appeal of the Leoow Steamship Co., Ltd., West Hartlepool, I' Joseph Rank, Ltd., Barry and Hull, was hearv' It was an appeal by the plaintiff from a judg- ment by Mr Justice Bigham, sitting without jury. Mr Bailhache, on behalf of the plaintiil5 said this was an action for demurraage n respect of the detention of a ship at Bahif Blanca in April, 1905. The case arose under th* terms of the charter party, dated December 30th, 1904. There was no dispute as to tM fa cts. The case had been previously befor* the Court of Appeal on another point as t, whether, having anchored at" Bahia Blanca. the Leonis was an arrived ship. The presen- point was in the same action, but was noi taken at the time. Though it was found that she was an arrived ship, she was unable to get in, and the question was one of liability f01 the delay. The question really was whether protection could be claimed undet clause 39 of the charter party. The reason the ship was not loaded was that there had been a military riot and strike on the railway, but that had ended 10 days before the arrival the Leonis. When the Leonis arrived were still about 47 or 48 ships to be loaded.and the Leonis. When the Leonis arrived there were still about 47 or 48 ships to be loaded.and they were being gradually worked off. There was also great pressure of work on the rail" way, and it was said in the court below that this constituted an obstruction to the loading. That was accepted by Mr Justice Bigham? who found against the plaintiffs. On account ol the delay in loading, arrival, and delivery, the defendants declined to pay the demurrage relying upon clause 39 of the charter party- The result was that 120 tons of grain wer« stored by the appellants as security for the freight, which amounted to £105, and for demurrage claimed. The plaintiffs' to claim was Z725 13s 4d, being X620 lis 4d for demurrage and S105 for freight. Defendants contended that the delay and detention were caused by the strike or other causes special in clause 39, and counter claimed for EIOC" damages for detention of the cargo, the reo turn of the money paid to release the corft and interest. The learned counsel said he should inforff the court that there was a case from Grimsby coming before the House of Lords on Thursday which was somewhat similar to this; j The President thought in that case they had better await the decision of the Lords. The case was then adjourned for that pur- pose.
EMPIRE DAY AND THE FLA& In the House of Commons on Tuesdav, The PRIME MINISTER, replying to a series of questions-whether, having regard to the almost universal recognition of Empire DaY by the self-governing communities of blf Majesty's dominions beyond the seas, they would give instructions for the Union .Tack to be flown on the buildings of their respective departments on Empire Day-said his col* leagues agreed with him that no special ressoll had been shown for departing in this matter from the practice of their predecessors. Earl WINTERTON (C., Sussex) said, owinl?^ to the unsatisfactory reply which had given by the Prime Minister, he would raise the- question on the adjournment of the House. Captain CRAIG (C., Antrim): May I V the right hon. gentleman whether b«l is aware that during the past it&f Years the- feeltafr- in fvow, -ea ing Empire Day in some way has greatm eatll increased both in this country and in bw Majesty's dominions across the seas, aodi whether he or any other Minister can give any; reason why the flag should not be flown on the, buildings of the respective Government de- partments ? Mr McVEAGH (Nat.): Will the Prime Minis- ter also tell is what is this Empire Day r (Laughter.) Mr ASQUITH: I have nothing to add to th* answer I have already given. (Nationalist cheers. ) On the motion for the adjournment of the House. Earl WINTERTON called attention to the observance of Empire Day. He said that the Prime Minister had stated on the subject of the celebration that he had not yet received from any quarter sufficient proof of the breadth and extent of the movement to depart from the policy of his predecessor in office. The movement had grown considerably in the last three years. (A Labour Member What is it ?" and cheers and laughter.) He did not expect to find from that quarter any intense patriotism. (Laughter.) The movement vraS: specially recognised in Canada, and it was movement which was instilled into the minds1 of the people of the Empire, especially the children of the Empire. (Loud and prolonged laughter and ironical cheers.) It was exceed" mgly regrettable that the movement did not start earlier, and then the President of the. Board of Trade might have been affected by it. (Laughter.) It was a purely non-political movement. (Ministerial cheers and laughter-); He appealed to the Government to give con- sideration to this movement, which was calcu-* lated to strengthen the bonds between different' parts of the Empire. l Mr ASQUITH said he did not complain of the course taken by the noble Lord,and he was delighted, although not surprised, to know thst, during the last three years the sentiment of Imperial patriotism and the common spirit of loyalty in the Empire had grown to dimensioDS which had not previously been experienced- (Ministerial cheers and laughter.) He could assure the noble Lord that if he and his friends would convey to him from time to time sucb' information as was at their disposal of tbe, growth of the general desire for this particular form of demonstration of patriotism on part of children or adults who were common citizens of the Empire it would receive the most respectful consideration of the GoverD" ment. (Ministerial cheers.)
CARDIFF CAFE VENTURES. The first meeting of the creditors of David, George Maskell (described in the receiving order as George Maskell "), residing at the Queen's Cafe, Queen-street, Cardiff, cafe manager, was held at the Official Receiver's on Wednesday. The total liability amounted to £ 16018s 8d, and the assets were returned as nil- Debtor alleged the causes of his failuro to be becoming a surety on a promis- sory note for over £ 100, and want of capital." In accounting for his deficiency- the debtor stated that his wagel during the last twelve months were .£52, and, his household and personal expenses for the, same period amounted to a similar sum. BEll commenced business 18 years ago at St. John's-! square, Cardiff, with a capital of E20, and sub) sequently opened branches at the Docks, st1 Marv-street, and Queen-street. i In 1902 a limited liability company was', formed to take over the business, the debtor receiving S2,500 in debentures and £ 1,500 in fully paid-up shares, and. the company agreed to pay all his liabilities in addition. The debentures were deposited with tb debtor's bankers to secure the company's over", draft, and in 1906 the company was wound Upf voluntarily. The bankers took possession under, their debentures. Another company was thev —June, 1906-formed, but only seven shares of £1 each were subscribed for. The bankers sola under their debentures to the wife of the bank4 rupt, who in her turn sold to the company-! The company paid by debentures, which wero deposited by her with the same bankers taf secure her purchase money. Debtor was ern" ployed as manager, receiving 452 per annual and board and lodging for himself, wife, an family. The unsecured creditors were only two, and one debt for E144 7s 6d was in respect of meat supplied when bankrupt traded in his own name between 1893 and 1903. The Official Receiver remains trustee.
The London Gazette states that the Chief Inspector of Factories has appointed Dr. C. S. U. Rippon to be certifying surgeon unde* the Factory and Workshops Act, for the Tin* tern District of the countv of Monmoutb. 1 _-f
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