The Cambrian News and Merionethshire Standard

ABERYSTWYTH. TOWN COUNCIL, Tuesday, October 18th.— Present: CouncTilor Isaac Hopkins, mayor, presiding; Aldermen Peter Jones, W. H. Palmer, and E. J? Wynne Councillors C. M. Williams, Robert Doughton R. J. Jones, T. J. Samuel, G. Fossett Roberts, Capt. James, J. Gibson, and T. H. Edwards; Messrs. John Hamer, acting town clerk; Charles Massey, assistant borough account- ant; and Rees Jones, borough surveyor. The Minutes. Mr. Edwards having asked that the min- utes of the previous meeting should be cor- rected from Passengers Association Com- pany to Assurance Company Mr. Gibson, referring to the minute with regard to Mr. C. M. Williams's notice that "the Mayor having declared the meeting to be adjourned, Councillor Williams announced his intention of referring to the matter at a future date," did not think it a true record of what took place at the- previous meeting. tr. Williams moved a resolution and that was not recorded on the minutes. Mr Williams-I did not move it Mr. Gibson. I found that there was nothing to be moved. Only to be correct. Mr. Gibson—Yes; and to be fair if I can. Mr Williams—I shall be glad if you are. Mr. Gibson-This statement is not a true record of what took place. I do not wish to labour it in any way but I do not wish it to be used by Mr. Williams at a future time as a true record of what took place. The Town Clerk is away and I do not wish to say any- thing more. Mr. Williams—I think there ought to be a good deal of alteration. It was difficult for the Town Clerk to know what really took place, having regard to the conduct of the meeting; and I think before proceeding with the meeting that the Mayor should call upon Mr. Gibson to apologise for his conduct at the last meeting and for the remarks he made. I merely mention the fact and leave it in the hands of the Mayor. Mr. Gibson (addressing the Mayor)—I apolo- gise to you, sir, and every member of the Council with the exception of Mr. Williams. He called for the remarks and he has so treated me and dealt with my business that as far as he is concerned, I do not wish to withdraw in one single particular. Mr Williams—That is the crux of the whole thing. Every one of the remarks were abso- lutely untrue. Mr. Gibson—You have no right to say so. In the face of that, what am I to CIO ? I am perfectly willing to do whatever the Council likes, but I will not stand here and listen to this man say that I havo made a statement which is not true. Mr. Williams—Nor will I stand it. Mr. Edwards—Is this in order? Mr. Williams—Yes, when statements are made without a single ground of truth. I simply made a statement disproving Mr. Gib- son'" statements from our own minutes. Mr. Gibson—You did nothing of the kind. I cannot allow these statements to be made. Mr. Williams—Do not interrupt. Mr. Gibon-I shall interrupt you all the while if you make statements of that kind. The Mayor—Will any gentleman move that the minutes be signed r Mr. R. J. Jones-I will. Mr. Gibson—Very well. There is a notice on the agenda and the matter can be left until then. Mr. Williams-He says I have interfered with his business. On no single occasion have I ever interfered with his business and I chal- lenge him to bring one single instance where I Ifave done, so. I have challenged the firm before. Mr. Gibson—Have you ? I accept the chal- lenge. fin. Williams-Yes, and I will do so again with regard to the tender of 1900. I have challenged him and I ask you. Mr. Mayor, to ask ALr. Gibson to withdraw or substanti- ate the statement. One or the other. Mr. Gioson-l accept your challenge and will substantiate my statement. The Mayor—Does any gentleman second that the minutes be signed r Mr. WIlliams-It is clearly your bounden duty Alderman Palmer-Is not this the result of a niisun(let-standln,a quibble about words ? The Mayor—Do you second Mr. Jones that the minutes be signed ? Alderman Ialmoi-- Yes; it is a quibble about words. The tender was opened but not con- sidered and it is a quibble about words. The Mayor—Any amendment ? Mr. E'd wards—i move an amendment that the words be included, that a motion was moved but not seconded. Mr. Williams—I here was no occasion to second. (lo Mr. Gibson); Try to be some- thing what is right. Mr. GI bson-i)on"t talk to me. The minutes were then signed. Mr. Gibson—Now then, I have come here to accept Mr Williams's challenge to show him that he has int-erf cred with my firm's business. I ask you, Mr. Mayor and gentlemen, a few minutes' attention in order to say a few words, I am in this. position. I manage a business for my father and it I don't manage it as it ought to be man- aged, then k is a very serious matter for me. It affects my business and affects my whole life. However, I accept the challenge with equanimity and if you will allow me a few min- utes I will put a statement before you which I have carefully prepared. I do not want to re„ as i-t take time; but if you nice I will hand it in. The -Alayor-Will you not leave it? Mr. Gibson-No. I accept Mr. Williams's challenge; but I do not want to trouble you by reaading the statement in reply to that challenge and if you will accept it in that form, I have it printed here and will hand it round. j ■cr.Z'e* J lllla1ms—Certainly not. It must be discussed and I must have notice. son—Certainly not. Mr. \V illiams-—-A statement was made at the last meeting of the Council that a certan tender was accepted by the Council. I say it was not. J Mr. Gibson—I will now proceed to make mv statement. It will not take long Mr. Samuel—It is not in order. Mr. Williams—Certainly not. Mr. Gibson-Then I will make it on your motion. Xext Meeting. The Clerk stating that the next meeting of the Council would fall on the day of the election, it was agreed to meet on Thursday, November 3rd. Harbour Loan. A letter was read from the Loans Commis- sioners saying they were now authorised to lend the Corporation E13,500 for harbour pur- poses instead of £ 10,500, but the additional sum would have to be repaid by half-yearly instalments at four and a quarter per cent interest. The Clerk added that the Town Clerk was in London and had an appontment that day with the solicitor of the Board of Commissioners. Corporation Boundary. Messrs. Smith and Davies wrote that they had seen their client, Mr R. C. Richardes. with reference to the Town Clerk's letter of the 4th October. Mr. Richardes. they said, does not suggest, that what the Corporation has do bus injured him in any way and it may be that the land on which the wall is built may never be of any value to Mr. Rich- ardes. At the same time, it is possible it might be required by him some day, and all we wish to do now is to place on record the fact that Mr. Richardes does not admit that the land on which the wall in question has been built is the property of the Corporation and the fact of his letting them build that wall without interference must not be taken by them to be in any way an admission of their right to do so. We now propose to leave the matter there. Application for Storage. A letter was read from Mr. Wilbaux, of the Rheidol Mines, asking for the whole of the coment shed as promised when it became vacant, adding that an attempt would be made to combine with other mines and have a regu- lar steamship service for shipment of ore. Their production would run from 130 to 150 tons of blende monthly and they might get to ship up to 2,000 tons of sulphur. The matter was referred to the Finance Committee. Tennis Ground. A further letter was read from Mr. Barratt with reference to his application for Corpora- tion land adjoining the railway for lawn tennis purposes and askng for an early re- ply, as well as for low terms, as a large sum of money would have to be ex- pended in laying out the grounds. He added that they would be available for the use of visitors. The letter was referred to the Finance Committee. Public Lights. The Public Lights Committee reported tHat the tenders of the Gas and the Electric Light Companies were read and the Town Clerk was directed to enquire of the Gas Company their terms for supplying gas of thirty or forty candle power for lighting of certain streets where light of less than sixty candle power will suffice. At a subsequent meeting, the Com- mittee recommended that the Gas Company should be asked to erect specimen lamps at North-parade, near Town Clerk's offices, near the College in King-street, and three in Bridge-street. Tho Committee appointed a sub-committee to interview Mr. Woodall, of the Gas Company, with a view to inducing the Company to charge the same cost for the public lighting of the town until 31st Decem- ber as was charged up to September 30th. In reply to Mr Edwards., who brought up the report, Mr. R. J. Jones said the experi- mental lamps had not yet been put down, but would be shortly. Public Works. The Public Works Committee reported that the Town Clerk was instructed to ascertain whether the Commissioners of Woods and Forests were prepared to sell to the Corpora- tion the land and easements held by the Cor- poration in connection with the water scheme for which a rental of £ 5 i3 paid. The Com- mittee recommended with regard to Dr. Harries's application that no carting should be allowed to Plascrug, but that. subject to the oonsent of the M. and M. Railway to carting over their land, the application should be acceded to, at a rent of ten shillings per annum and a proportionate cost of repairing the way used to be fixed by the Surveyor, the tenancy to be determinable at a month on either side and the terms to be embodied in an agreement to be prepared by the Town Clerk. The Assistant Borough Accountant reported the steps he had taken with a view of collecting arrears of rents due for easements and that several objections had been made to payment of the full amount claimed and a sub-committee was apointcd to consider and report to the Committee. The Surveyor was instructed to furnish the Committee with a report upon the cost of maintenance of main roads in the bor- ough and the adequacy or otlierwiso of the payments, made, by the County Council. The Committee recommended the acceptance of Messrs. Jones and Sons's tender at C12, being the lowest, for papering and painting work- men's dwellings. The Committee re- commended that the Surveyor should be granted a week's leave of absence. A meeting of the Sanitary Committee was held at which the Inspector showed that he had visited twenty-one streets and inspected 244 houses during September and served twenty-eight notices, leaving seven not complied with up to September 30th. Eleven troughing notices had been served, five of which were not complied with. Instructions were given the Inspector to call the attention of the Gas Company to an escape of gas at the junction of North-parade and Queens-road and to take proceedings against persons who had failed to comply with the notices served. Mr. Gibson remarked that in order to show the eccentricity of tendering, it might be stated that the highest tender for painting and papering was £ 21. Alderman Jones, who brought up the re- port, said that proceedings for non-compliance with notice would be followed up. The report was adpoted. Finance Committee's Report. The Finance Committee recommended the payment of L,367 17s. 5d. made up as follows: —Town department, JB210 19s 6d water works, L28 Is. 3d.; Harbour loan account, JB6; Promenade Extension. L2 10s. Od. borough fund. £ 7 4s.; Public Library (rent), 927 10s. Harbour department, revenue account 282 14s. and Burial Board, £ 2 18s. 8d. The Committee recommended that Messrs Edwards Brothers should enter into a bond for L200 for the due completion of their contract for building six workmen's dwellings; that L150 should be paid the Ordnance Survey for the survey now being completed; and to defer the consideration of the draft setting forth the duties and terms of the appointment of the Assistant Borough Accountant. The Town Clerk was directed to see Mrs. Howell with a view to obtaining her consent to post- pone date of completion of the purchase of the lime-kiln premises. The Committee also recommended that the Mayor's salary should be increased by the sum of £10. Mr. Fossett Roberts, who brought up the report, said he was not at the Finance Com- mittee and thought £10 a paltry sum by which to increase the Mayor's salary. It was a small amount when the Council took into consideration the large sums which had to be paid out in respect of the Extension opening and the Chatauqua reception. That was probably JE70 or L80 out of the P,100 which had been voted, leaving the Mayor practically nothing to carry on to the end of his year of office. He thought they would all agree with him that the Mayor had devoted nearly all his time to the work appertaining to the office of mayor. In fact, it practically took up the whole time of a mayor to fill the important office of mayor of that borough. The Mayor prided himself on being a working man. The Council should not allow him to go out of office a loser and therefore he proposed that the salary should be increased by B20 and not LIO. That would enable the Mayor to pay all his expenses during his year of office. Mr Samuel did not think it a matter that should be discussed at all and seconded the proposition. Mr. Edwards said he was not protesting against the increase in the Mayor's salary as it had nothing to do with the Mayor person- ally, who had devoted considerable time to the duties; but thoremark that he had de- voted the whole of his time was rather a tall one. If that were. necessary it would be practically impossible for a man of business to become mayor. He got up particularly to say that at the time of the opening of the Extension he protested against the way it was carried out and if it cost 250 or L60, he said the town did not recevie an adequate return for the money expended. He should speak more strongly in the matter if they had not in the chair a man who was practically a working man. He protested against the way the E50 or J360 had been spent without adequate return. The proposition to vote L20 was agreed to. General Purposes Committee's Report.. The General Purposes Commitee reported that Mr. Denniss had attended a meeting, discussed the question of winter advertising, and stated that his Company was willing to spend JB60. He was therefore requested to ob- tain terms for advertisements in a number of papers. The sum of JE188 12s. 6d. was recom- mended for payment, L150 12s. 6d. for pictoral posters, and £ 38, salary of carriage and boat inspector. Inspector Davies presented his re- ported, which stated that seventv-eight hack- ney, ninety-nine. driver, fotrtv-fcix pleasurb boat, and seventy-four watermen licences were taken out last season. Three persons were procerdecl against. and convicted. The owners and drivers of donkeys conducted themselves better during the season than in nrevious years and he had received no complaints whatever. The regulations of Terrace-road had been well observed bv drivers of hackney carriages in avoiding that road except when proceeding with passengers on their outward or return journeys. No accidents bad occurred with car- riages or boats and the conduct of drivers and watermen on the whole had been satis- factory. Mr. R. J. Jones brought up the report ("id moved its adoption remarking that Mr. Denniss gave the Committee an account tof ex-i pendituro on advertising. The sum of £ 127 would now be spent, out of which the Cam- brian Company would pay £60, so the net cost to the Corporation would be £ 67. The Company had met the town liberally and gen. f erously and Mr. Denniss helped them materi- I ally at the last meeting of the Committee. The Committee went into the matter thoroughly spending quite two hours over it and Mr. Den- niss rendered great assistance. Mr. Gibson took it that the Council was discussing the terms and not the papers to be selected. Mr. Jones replied that the Council would decide upon the papers at that meeting. If the Council decided to advertise for the winter there must be no delay. The advertisement must be issued as soon as possible. Mr. Gibson added that his point was that it was no good advertising in the winter for the winter. Those advertisements should have been issued early in the autumn or at the end of the summer and should be repeated in the early spring for the coming summer. What was the good of advertising now for people to come down for the autumn and winter when the autumn was past and it was W1Mr.r Jones replied that the object of adver- tising was to place Aberystwyth in the fore- front continuously. It was his opinion that the town should be advertised all the year round. The Council decided not to advertise in August, but to take the matter up in September and now it was the middle of October. There had been no delay though he was desirous of starting the advertising the first week in October. Mr. Denniss could not come down before last Monday and imme- diately his communication was received a meeting was convened. Mr. Gibson added that he had been away from home and could not attend the meet- ing of the Committee; but for his own part he felt that it was mainlv throwing money away to advertise at this time of the year in the Methodist Times and the Catholic Times." People who were likely to visit Aberystwyth in winter were not found among the readers ot tnaz ciass oi Mr. Edwards thought that Mr Denniss was prepared to go beyond £ 60 if necessary and the list of papers was recommended by the railway company. It was impossible to adver- tise Aberystwyth too much and he differed from Mr Gibson in thinking they could not expect winter visitors from the class of people who read the Methodist Times." There were invalids among the readers of that class of paper as among the readers of other papers and they might be induced to visit Aberyst- wyth if it was advertised as a suitable place for invalids. Eight papers had been now added to the summer list of papers. The Council had been lax in advertising the town during the winter months. Winter adver- tising was better than summer advertising or near the summer. Alderman Palmer said the advertisements for winter should appear from October to the end of May. He quite agreed with advertis- ing in the Methodist Times," and Catholic Times," but generally the Committee should select' papers having a large circulation like the Daily Mail." His experience was that advertisements should appear from October to the end of May. Mr Jones said the Committee considered that May came in the summer advertising. Alderman Palmer did not think there was much need to advertise much in July and August. Mr .Jones added that Mr Massey told the Committee that more applications were re- ceived in reply to the Catholic Times than from any other paper. Alderman Jones Very hopeful. (Laughter). Mr Williams seconded the adoption of the report and said Aberystwyth must be kept constantly before the public. No doubt it was due to the advertisements and pictorial posters that Aberystwyth had so large a number of visitors during the past summer. The recommendation having been adopted, Mr Jones moved a vote of thanks to Inspector Davies for having performed his duty. He had done his duty remarkably well and there was little complaint to make. It reflected great credit upon his discretion and upon the way he conducted the business all through. Mr Gibson—We cannot recommend him for promotion, I suppose. (Laughter). Mr Doughton seconded the proposition and it was agreed to. Harbour Committee's Report. Tho Harbour Committee reported that the Surveyor was instructed to prepare a sale of wreckage in the Harbour. A telcgrani was read from the National Coal and Coke Com- pany refusing the Council's offer to rent them a shed on Rofawr and the Committee recom- mended that a shed twenty-two feet long should be erected at a cost not exceeding Lloo and offered to Captain Davies at £10 a year, the same rent as was offered by the Company. The Comimttee recommended that the lamp on the Castle Point should be altered so as not to throw a light out to sea. The report was adopted. What For ? Mr Fossett Roberts moved that the Mayor should execute a mortgage for £ 2,000 in fav- our of the N. P. Bank, which keeps the Cor- poration accounts, but as it was not clear whether it was a transfer or an overdraft, the matter was deferred in order to state it clearly on the next agenda. L' Miscellaneous. It was agreed to affix the seal to the draft byiaws relative to pleasure boats and hackney carnages which had been adopted by the Council. It was also agreed to give mortgage securi- ties for L200 and P,500 in favour of Mra Bond, Llanfihangel Geneurglyn, and Mrs Roberts, Aberystwyth. Mr. Roberts explained that those sums would go to replace the £ 14.000 to be called up by Messrs. J. and W. Watkins in Novem- ber next. There had been a further loan of of°iLm?kinS a ^tal of £ 900 towards the £ 1,400 A further sum of £ 200 would shortly be paid in so the Corporation would only re- quire an additional 2300 to make up the £1,400. It was agreed to pay half year's instalment and interest, nn Knrmiorh fiimsl -I Do irvw .DA1 "0' "U.I.I \IVVJ, '"t.L Is. 9d.; general district ( £ 14.,060), L195 7s. 3d.; water works (212,975), L184 18s.; har- bour (L6,800), £96 18s.; and workmen's houses ( £ 3,150), £44 17s. 9d. Qujte Fair; Always Fair. Air. C. M. William? had on the agenda the following notice: Councillor C. M. Williams W1 .i C'i ^ttention to an incorrect statement made by Councillor John Gibson, on the 4th day of October, 1904, with reference to the tenders for Corporation printing invited in the year 1900 and will explain the circum- stances relating thereto and also to the tenders invited in the year 1902." When the notice was reached shortly after twelve o'clock, *"• Williams said- -I shall be very brief, i ifito a i>ersonai wrang,e Mr. Gibson—I object to that, I am not gomg to wrangle. There is plenty of time, You have a full hour. in?nro rl)ViIlia.ms—I am not going to enter monf discussion with a man who makes state- a* ;"n,d does not Prove them. Mr Gibson—You have plenty of time. I have a statement here carefully prepared and I am going to put it in. f Mr. Williams On the last occasion Mr. Gibson used lansuap-e wlnVJ, nn j-. -L| j was iXUU UrtXlIC- T Jet t. us a s a body and unjust to me, and introdnr>m T aw 1 do n»t want to introduce any feeling in this notice of motion I simply explained at the last meeting that the tender had been dulv opened and fC thtt tho Said' "If Mr Williams states that the tender was opened and discussed ^r° ^lrse e used strong language Mr. Gibson—Repeat the language.* It is very good and applies to you absolutely. withr'it. amS~~r kn°W JOU are familiar with it. Mr Gibson-I am familiar with it. Mr. Williams—-I did not sav that the Com- t considered the tender. I only want to have the truth. I always have treated Mr lbson as I treat any other member • but he TnJer ffLan ,?PP0rtunitv of showing feel- ings and bitter feelings too. S \IV V}h*on—IhnYe a statement here. Mr illiams He stated that in 1900 his Thtf ;senntertKWaS accePted by the Council. 1 hat is not the case. It was not accepted by the Council. He also said that I afterwards went down to the Corporation offices and drew up the whole thing and made the tender. I do not understand that language. It is impossible to understand. All that occurred was this. Tenders were invited. The Fin- ance Committee took the view that a tender as a whole should be accepted. I took the view that the items should be divided as usual and at the Council meeting when the report was presented, an amendment was moved that items from the different tenders should be selected and ultimately it was re- ferred back to the Committee. I had nothing to do with that more than any other member the^ statement inferring and insinuating that 1 had anything to do with it was in- correct and unjust to me. It was brought be- fore the Finance Committee who afterwards presented a report. At. one of the meetings a tender was received from Mr Gibson and in order to show that I have never shown any feeling and I challenge it to be shown now Mr Gihson-I accept that challenge. Mr Williams (continuing)-Ilat I have ever done anything towards Mr Gibson that I have { not done to others. That tender was not signed. I happened to be in the chair and I strongly suggested that it should be sent back to Mr Gibson, fearing it was not signed in the hurry. Is that the act of a man who wanted to act unjustly? The tender was sent back with a clause struck out and the Town Clerk advised that with the clause struck out the tender could not be accepted. The statement was therefore unjust and in- correct and the treatment I have received Mr Gibson ought to be ashamed of and if he is a man with any respect for a corporate body he ought to withdraw it. Mr. Gibson-I do not withdraw a single word. I have apologised to every gentleman on the Council except you. Mr Williams-That is shirking the ques- tion. Now, having made mv statement, I leave it to tho public to judge. I am not going to bandy words with Mr Gibson. I have proved that his statement is incorrect, wrong and unjust. Mr Gibson—I have prepared at some trouble to myself a statement which proves that the statement made by Mr Williams is not true. I will not use the very strong language used at the last meeting; but I should like to show and will show that what Mr Williams says is not true. I have the statement here. Gentlemen, I do not want to worry you with it. If you will take it as read I shall be quite willing to hand it round. If not, I will read it. It is a long statement and deals with my position as manager of the business for my father. Mr Williams's statements and interference affect me and my life and I think I can prove clearly—prove at least to my satisfaction—that he is and always has —— Mr Williams-Never. Mr Gibson—Interfered with my business. He has never missed one single opportunity of putting in his point whenever he wanted to make it. Owing to his assiduity, he has hardly ever failed to make his point. Mr Williams—I appeal to my colleagues on the Council if I have ever done so. Mr Gibson-I will take the voice of the Council whether I shall read my statement or not. If you will accept it in that way, 1 will hand it round. Mr. Williams-How can you accept anv statement like that ? Whatever it is, shall have an opportunity to reply. Mr. Gibson—I will accept Mr Williams's challenge to prove that he has inter- fered with my firm's business in any shape or form. Mr. Gibson then read as follows:— In March 24th, 1893, Mr. C. M. Williams was vice-chairman and member of the Finance Committee of the Board of Guardians. Tenders for printing for the Aberystwyth Board of Guardians were opened and considered by a special meeting. The result was that the contract was divided, con- trary to precedent. On April 7th. 1893, Messrs. J. and J. Gibson wrote strongly to the Board objecting to the division of the tenders.—Mr. C. M. Williams proposed that the tender of Messrs. J. and J. Gibson be ignored and transferred to another printer. The proposition was carried. On May 5th. 1893, Mr. Williams brought forward the matter of the tenders again and said a statement had been made in the Cambrian News" that the Board did not treat Messrs. Gibson in the same way as it treated others. He made a long speech and said the Board had been quite fair to Messrs. Gibson. Mr. Williams—Quite fair. Mr. Gibson, reading— On January 26th, 1894. the question of the renewal of the lease of 38, Terrace-road, was brought before the Town Council. The Finance Committee had previously recom- mended the renewal of this lease to Mrs James. The Committee's recommendation was objected to by Alderman C. M. Williams and others and referred back to Committee for reconsideration. Mr. Williams—Certainly, because I thought it was unjust. Mr Gibson-Allow me and don't interrupt. I think I am a pretty fair reader, but if you can do better, I will hand the statement to you. On April 13th, 1894, the Terrace-road lease came up again before the Council, the pro- perty haying been bought in the meantime by Messrs. J. and J. Gibson.—Mr. D. C. Roberts proposed that the lease be renewed to Messrs Gibson.—Mr. C. M. Williams spoke against granting the renewal. Answering Mr. Williams, Captain Doughton (then a member of the Council), said Mr. Williams was animated by malice. The Council Chamber was not the place in which to gratify a pri- vate grudge." On a vote. the lease was re- fused. Previous! to the voting, the Town Clerk. in answer to a question, stated that it was clear the Council could get over all diffi- culties by granting a reversionary lease. On June 1st, 1894. Mr. C. M. Williams, then chairman of the Aberystwyth Board of Guar- dians, referring to the Cambrian News," said the report of the last meeting of the Board in that paper was not correct. He stated also that when he had a doubt as to the proper course to take in public matters, he felt that the best course was the one oppo- site to that taken By the Cambrian News." Mr. Williams—And I have always found it so. Mr. Gibson-Yes, and you.are at it now. On August 24th, 1894, Mr. C. M. Williams as chairman of the Aberystwyth Board of Guardians, accused Mr. Gibson of delaying the abstract of accounts. He supposed the assistant Clerk would not care to report the language Mr. Gibson used when spoken to about the delay. That is one of my failings, I suppose, stronge language. (Laughter.) Mr. Williams—I suppose you are sorry for it sometimes. Mr. Gibson—Oh, no. (Laughter.) On September 7th, 1894, Mr. C. M. Wil- liams, as chairman of the Aberystwyth Board of Guardians, read Mr. Gibson's explanation as to the delay in producing the abstract, showing that there was no time limit given. Commenting on the letter, Mr. C. M. Williams afterwards said that if the,had thought they had to deal with a firm who took advantages ot that kind," they would have put a time limit in. He said he would deal with the matter some other time, and made some throats and insinuations. Mr. Williams—What were they? Mr. Gibson-They are coming. On October 2nd, 1894, Messrs. J. and J. Gibson applied to the Council for the renewal of the lease of 38, Terrace-road. It was agreed that the application should be placed on the agenda for the next meeting. On October 19th, the application of Mr. J. Gibson for the renewal of his lease in Terrace- road was oensidored. Mr. C. M. Williams said tho words" Ihis property" should be altered into "piemises." How were the Council to know it was Mr. Gibson's property. The matter was adjourned to the next meet- ing. On November 2nd, 1894. at the Board of Guardians meeting, Mr. C. M. Williams, the chairman, objected to paying the Cambrian News" bill until the end of the quarter be- cause the bill had not been sent in before. Mr. Williams-In accordance with the terms. Mr. Gibson-I will hand the statement round if you are tired; but I mean to p-d through with it. He continued reading: A Guardian suggested that the bills be paid that day and another Guardian contended that the same course had not been followed in every case. Notwithstanding this, Mr C. M. Williams insisted that the bill should not be paid and on a vote it was decided to refuse payment of the bill. On November 30th, 1894, at the Aberyst- wyth Board of Guardians. Mr. C. M. Wil- liams presiding, Mr. Miller asked whether the printing of ballot papers, nomination papers, etc., for the Parish and District Coun- cils, should not be given to Messrs. Gibson (the Union printers) as was usually done?— Mr. C. M. Williams objected to giving the printing to Messrs. Gibson as had been the usual custom and proposed to have tenders. This was carried. (It had always been the custom to give this class of work to the Union contract printers without tenders and it is so now after Mr. C. M. Williams has left the Board.) At the same meeting, the Chairman (Mr. C. M. Williams), attacked Mr. Gibson and made a charge against the firm with refer- ence to the printing of the Abstract of Ao- counts. He objected to the navment of their bill notwithstanding the fact that the House Committee had passed it, He refused to put a proposition to that effect before the Guar- dians. He said the Abstract was a disgrace to the Board. It was a wretched looking Abstract." It was a discredit to the Board to have such a thing turned out." It was a poor looking affair, poor quality paper, and poor printing." Mr. Williams—It can be seen now. Mr. Gibson-I am going to prove that the Guardians did not say so. I know you must feel very uncomfortable. Reading- He also said the "Cambrian News" did not publish reports fairly or fully, and that there was an oracle behind the re- porter. Several members of the Board de- fended the Abstract, saying it was quite as good as others; that they saw no fault in it whatever and decided that the bill be paid.- Mr. J. M. Williams said he did not see why the Board should suffer because Mr. C. M. Williams was not friendly to Messrs. Gibson. t Eventually the meeting broke up in disorder, the Chairman (Mr. C. M. Williams), refusing to put the proposition which had been pro- posed, seconded, and supported strongly by nearly all the Guardians. Mr. Williams—It was not in order. Mr. Gibson-Of course. We are such great sticklers for order. Reading:— On December 14th, 1894. at the Guardians meeting, Mr. C. M. Williams tried to deny or qualify some of the statements he had 1 made against Mr. Gibson at thel previous meeting and proposed that the b-Tll be paid. On January 25th, 1895, the Finance Com- mittee of the Town Council agreed that the renewal of the lease of 38 Terrace-road be granted to Messrs. Gibson on certain condi- tions and it was proposed and seconded at the Council meeting.—Mr. C. M. Williams ob- jected to the recommendation, but it was eventually agreed to pass the Committee's re- commendation. Mr. Williams—Mr. Mayor, I wish to point out that on the last occasion I attempted to introduce other matters and was not allowed. Mr. Gibson-I sat perfectly still while Mr. Williams spoke. Mr Williams—I say that on the last occa- sion I was stopped going into other matters. Of course I am delighted with it; but I only point out that members objected to going into other matters at the last meeting. Mr. Gibson-I am glad to hear you are delighted with it. If there is a man on earth willing to make you delighted in this way, I am that man. Mr. Williams—Not by the language you use. Mr. Gibson (reading)- On April 5th. 1895, three tenders were sent in for the Corporation printing. On finding that the Cambrian News was lowest, and had been accepted, Mr. C. M. Williams said excitedly that he did not believe in the system by which the tenders had been worked out. On January 7th, 1896, Mr. C. M. Williams appears again interfering with us in the con- duct of our business, this time at a meeting of the Library Committee, and said they heard loud talk about supporting the Library. The best thing they (meaning Messrs. Gibson) could do would be to send a free paper weekly. In reference to this statement, Mr. Gibson made investigations and proved that a free oopy of the Cambrian News" had been sent to the Town Library ever since Mr. George Davis had been chairman. Mr Davis acknowledged it in a public letter. Mr. Williams Was it sent while I was chairman ? Mr. Gibson-Don't interrupt. I am ner- vous. (Laughter.) Reading- On January 14th, 1896, Mr. C. M. Williams appeared at a meeting of the Town Council Finance Committee and tried to charge Messrs Gibson with printing agendas smaller than the samples sent out and took great pains to measure the Agendas. The Committee would not listen to him, and passed a reso- lution "that after full inquiries your Com- mittee was satisfied that the Agendas printed by Messrs. Gibson were in accordance with the contract." On January 21st, 1896, when the report of the Committee came up before the Town Council, Mr. Williams made a long speech trying to prove that the Cambrian News Agendas were smaller than those printed by another firm. The Committee's recommenda- tion was passed unanimously that the Agendas were quite satisfactory and equal to sample. On May 28th, 1897, Mr. C. M. Williams opposed the granting to Messrs. Gibson of the renewal of the lease of 38, Terrace-road, this time at a meeting of the Finance Com- mittee of the Town Council. On a vote, the granting of the renewal was again agreed to, Mr. Williams still objecting. On June 1st. 1897, this recommendation of the Finance Committee was brought before the Council. Mr. C. M. Williams made a long speech against granting the renewal and the matter was referred back to the Commit- tee. During his speech, he made continual personal attacks on the Editor of the Cam- brian News." On June 8th, 1897, the question of the Terrace-road lease was again brought before the Finance Committee. Mr. C. M. Williams led the attack against granting the renewal to Messrs. Gibson. It was decided to refuse the renewal bv one vote. On June 15th, 1897. the report of this Com- mittee was brought before the Council. Mr. C. M. Williams proposed that the lease be refused to Messrs. Gibson. Notwithstanding the fact that Mr. Gibson had already carried out the Council's conditions, which were that he should purchase Mr. Wheatley's property at the- back. The chief point which he laboured on was that Mr Gibson had withdrawn his application. This was not true. His speech lasted an hour. On a vote the renewal was granted to Messrs. Gibson by eight votes to seven, the conditions to be decided upon by the Finance Commit- tee. One Councillor's (Mr. Hopkins) remarks in regard to the action of Mr. C. M. Williams were :—" You are (meaning Mr. C. M. Wil- liams) the worst man in the Council. You are carrying animosity against a man unto death. You are not fit to be on the Council. He always is against Mr. Gibson and not fighting fair." Other members also remarked that Mr. Williams was animated with ill- feeling to Messrs Gibson. That is only to show that there were some other members of the Council who thought that Mr. Williams's action was not fair. Mr. Williams—We know that the Mayor was exceedingly friendly with Mr Gibson at that time. Mr. Gibson, reading- On June 29th, 1897, the question of the terms to be given to Mr. Gibson came on at the Finance Committee and Mr. C. M. Williams tried his utmost to defeat the members who were in favour of giving terms and voting again against the terms, but was defeated. Previous to this Messrs. Gibson had bought a shed from Mr. Wheatley to carry out the conditions imposed upon them. On July 6th, 1897, followincr the Committee meeting, the Committee's recommendation to grant the renewal of 38, Terrace-road, was passed and seconded at the Council, when Mr C. M. Williams again proposed that the whole matter should be deferred so that the Coun- cil may be advised as to the fair and proper course to pursue. After a long debate, Mr C. M. Williams carried his proposition to defer on the casting vote of the deputy Mayor only. It was the casting vote also of Mr. Williams that had put Mr. T. Griffiths in the chair. Mr. Williams-Was there anything wrong in that? Mr. Gibson-No, but it is a fact. There is something very handsome about it. Mr. Williams—You are a model. Mr Gibson-Yes, but not of your sort. Reading—One of the Councilors (Mr. D. C. Roberts) said Mr. Williams had nodded to the Deputy Mayor to vote for him, and the reporters present said he did so too.' He tried to deny this at the following meeting. (This proposition had been written on the Agendas after they had been printed). On October 5th, 1897, Mr. Peake enquired if any reply had been received from the Local Government Board eonoernintr Moec.™ Gibson's lease, in answer to the Town Clerk's letter. It came out in debate that Mr C. M Williams had seen a copy of the letter. Mr. Peake said it was not fair that one member of the Council should see the letter and not all, Captain Doughton adding that oerhan<3 Mr. "Williams had dictated it too." On October 19th, 1897. the reply of the Local Government Board was read at the Council meeting declining to advise upon the case. On November 9th, 1897, Mr. C M. Williams was appointed chairman of the Finance Com- mittee, On October 4th, 1898, Mr. Williams as chairman of the Finance Committee, accused the Cambrian News" of making unfair comments. On June 6th, 1899. Mr. C. M. Williams and Captain Doughton between them practically accused Mr. Gibson of cowardice and lyin^ and with garbling the report of hi(S own' speech in his own newspaper, but Mr. \.J. M. Williams said at the next meeting he had not said those words and that they were absolute falsehoods. Mr. Williams—Mention the point-about doing children to death. Mr. Gibson reading- On June 13th, 1899, at a meeting of the Town Council Committee, Mr. C. M. Williams (chairman) stated that a bill received from Messrs Gibson had been sent back to be checked. At the next meeting no mention was made about the bill. On September 5th, 1899, Mr C M Williams, chairman of the Council Finance Committee, said Messrs J. and J. Gibson's account was again deferred on account of the checking of the same not having been completed. On October 4th, 1899, Messrs Gibson's bill came before the Town Council, and Mr C. M. Williams said there were a large num- ber of errors in the bill, due to charges for blank pages. Mr. Isaac Hopkins asked why Mr. Williams should be so very careful with some person's business and not with others. At the next committee meeting the bill was passed. Mr. Williams-But with reductions. Mr. Gibson, reading- At the same meeting, the Terrace-road road lease question again came on and there was a discussion between Mr. C M. Williams and Mr. Hopkins when the latter accused Mr. Williams of malice, etc. against Mr. Gibson and said Mr. C. M. Williams was a nuisance on the Council. Mr. Williams—Dear me. The same as you are now. Mr Gibson—Yes, I am a bit of a blister no doubt, especially to you. Mr. Williams—I have known you a long time. Mr. Gibson-Yes, and I have known you too. Mr. Gibson reading—The lease question was again referred to committee. On October 10th, 1899. at a meeting of the Finance Committee, the lease question came on again, Mr. C. M.; Williams presiding. After sitting three, hours, the lease was re- fused on the casting vote of the Chairman, Mr. C. M. Williams. So then you pulled it off. See. Mr. Williams—What? You have given a hash of the whole thing. Mr. Gibson—Two can play at cuttings, you see. Cuttings are all very well played by one side, but when they are p'rivby the other side it is different. Isn't it? Mr. Williams—And you shall play more by them next time. Mr. Gibson-You have been having your own way and going on in vour own ruts and when other people strike out another course and call you a liar you do not like it. This is the first time you have been answered. Mr Williams—You are only giving a par- tial statement, I can prove that for the last fifteen years —— Mr. Gibson—I have gone back about fifteen years. So that is all right. Mr. Williams—I can go beyond that. Mr. Gibson-I will lend you this statement if you like. Mr. Williams—And I will out your state- ment correct. Mr. Gibson-In 1900 our tender was accepted and you put your nose into our business and threw it out to suit yourself. Mr. Williams—No. I never did it.- It is a mis-statement, Mr. Gibson, reading- On October 17th. 18S9, Mr. Gibson's lease came before the Council. There was a lengthy and heated debate. Mr C. M. Wil- liams opposed the granting of the lease. On a vote, the renewal of the lease- was refused. This lease had been before the Council five years. On March 20th, 1900, Mr C. M. Williams (then Mayor) said a report in the Cambrian News of the previous meeting was entirely wrong and misieadingj" That statement was refuted and the report was proved ac- curate in a letter signed by the following coulicillors:-Messrs. ILI. C. Roberts, Isaac Hopkins, E. P. Wynne, R. Peake, John P. Thomas, and W. H. Palmer. On April 3rd, 1900, Mr. C. M. Williams at the Council meeting said in reference to this letter that from meeting to meeting he was continuously being misrepresented in the 'Cambrian News." "Not long ago. there were three statements in the paper which were deliberate falsehoods." "He objected to tho mean and shabby way he had been treated by his colleagues." On his refusal to withdraw, Mr. D. C. Roberts and other councillors withdrew and left Mr. Williams talking. On April 10th, 1900, Mr. Williams (still chairman of the Finance Committeo and mayor) said he was being unfairly reported." "There was," he continued, "'an attempt in the Cambrian News to blacken him before tho public." On April 18tli. 1900. the Mayor (Mr. Wil- liams), still harked back to the Cambrian Nows," stating that from week to week in the Cambrian News' certain statements were made which, he said he had clearly stated were false or inaccurate." At the same meeting, the tenders for printing came on for oonsdderatfion, and Alderman Palmer moved "that the tender of Messrs. J. and J. Gibson, being the lowest, be accepted." The Mayor (Mr. Williams) objected and said "that after looking through them the addi- tions in one or two were not correct." After a short debate, Mr. C. M. Williams proposed, and it was carried by one vote, to refer the tenders back to Committee. On May 1st, 1900, at the Council meeting, Mr. Peake said he was present at a committee meeting when printing tenders were being discussed and Mr Gibson's tender was found to be- lowest on all points. Mr. Williams said j^he pointed out at the last meeting two or three errors and that was the only ground to refer back." Mr. Hopkins asked if it was true that the printing tenders had been in a certain member's house for a day for him to overhaul them and try to get something out." It. was decided to adjourn the con- sideration of tenders to another meeting. Mr. Williams—They were not in my house. Mr. Gibson—I did not say they were, did I? Mr. Williams—You want to insinuate it. Mr. Gibson, reading- On May 15th, 1900. the printing tenders came on before the Council again and the Finance C-ommittc-o recommended that the tender of Messrs. J. and J. Gibson be ac- cepted. Mr. Williams (the Mayor) said he took exception to the recommendation of the Finance Committee and would vote against it. He objected to entertaining the tender of the Cambrian News on the ground of the exceptionally heavy price charged for the same goods without tender at all." Mr Peter Jones asked him "to stick to the tenders be- fore the meeting and not go back for years. The question was to decide which was the lowest tender before the Council." The Mayor (Mr. C. M. Williams) accused the Cambrian News" firm of not having treated the Council as it ought to have been treated. He then got a resolu- tion proposed to ask for neW tenders which was carried bv eight to six. I On May 17th, 1900, Mr. C. M. Williams moved in the County Council that the Bounty advertisements be inserted in a paper just then published and a Carmarthen paper. His proposition was lost and the amendment to insert in the Cambrian News was carried. On August 16th, 1900, Mr. C. M. Williams, at a meeting of the Cardiganshire County Council, had a motion on the agenda to re- scind the proposition at the last meeting to give the county advertisements in the Cambrian News." In a long speech, he tried to make out that he had nothing against the Cambrian News." It was ultimately decided to rescind the resolution carried at the previous meeting to advertise as usual in the Cambrian News." Mr. Williams—You are only giving partial truths. Mr. Gihson-I ask the Mayor to allow me to go on without interruption. You said you were delighted. Mr. Williams—Be honest with it. It was because your price was much higher. Mr. Gibson—I mean to be quite fair and after all your teaching, I think I shall be most devilishly fair. Mr. Willijams(—Say that your pa-ice war, higher. Speak the truth. We were nnt, prepared to pay the Cambrian News price Mr. Gibson. reading- On August 21st, 1900, the printing tenders of the Corporation came before the Council and it was decided not to entertain Messrs. J. and J. Gibson's tender. The Mayor (Mr. C. M. Williams) said there was a tender from Messrs. J. and J. Gibson also for the abstract of accounts, but the Com- mittee thought it too much and they were asking for fresh tenders. On October 2nd, 1900, Mr. D. C. Roberts resigned his seat on the Council owing to an allegation made by the Mayor (Mr. C. M. Wil- liams) with regard to granting the Terrace- road lease to Mr Edwin Jones and has never entered the Council since. Mr. Williams (warmly)—I deny It. No alle- gation at all. I must at once give a personal explanation. I won't allow that to go out. Mr. Gibson-I am going to finish this state- ment. Mr. Williams—I cannot allow it. This is too grave and important a matter that I must at once make a personal statement. The town has heard this too long. I must ask to be allowed to correct it at once. Mr. Gibson—It is a good sign. He is delighted. Reading— ^\n ''m110 r^1' .Mr R. Doughton at the I own Council meeting wanted to com- mend the Cambrian News for their illus- trated supplement of the new Promenade but the usual opposition prevailed. On January 10th, 1902, Mr. Fossett Roberts asked Mr. Williams if he could give the information he. prtomisfxl at the previous meeting as to the printing of the Corporation cheques. M". Williams replied it was a matter for Mr. Evans to reply to. He would ask him when he was present. At the fol- lowing meeting, nothing was said about the printing of the Corporation cheques. Mr. Evans was present then. Mr. Williams—I never mentioned about the cheques. It was never discussed and the Fi- nance Committee never had anything to do with them. Why, then, insinuate it. Mr. Gibson-I am going to push it. Mr. Williams—You have made plenty of mis-statements. Mr. U- ibsoii reading — On April kind, 1902, referring to the print- ing ooniract ol the Corporation,. Mr. C. M. liliamo said the Council had had pe.ace for two years. There had been no mistakes, no controversy about, bills, and peace at the Flnanfle Committees.V Still no answer from him as to who sent the (Corporation cheques to London. On May 2ist, 1902, printing tenders for the Corporation came up before the Council and the Finance Committee, of which Mr. C. M. Williams as a member, resolved that the tender of Messrs. J. and J. Gibson be not entertained, after tenders had been asked for. Mr. Peake wanted to know if the Finance Committee had come to their decision before opening any tender. The Town Clerk answered '• \es." Mr Williams rose to a point of order and said the matter was re- ferred to Committee with power to act and the discussion dropped. On July 1st, 19U2, the Finance Committee of the Town Council (of which Mr. C. M. Wil- liams was a member) refused to return Messrs J. and J. Gibson's tender. Remarking upon the Committee's recommendation, Mr. Peake said the most honourable course to have taken was to have sent the tender back un- opened." Mr. C. M. Williams answering 11r Peake, said the honourable course to take was not to look into the tender, but to reject it before looking in it by moving a reso. tion which was done. Mr. Williams—That is my contention. Mr. Gibson—That is also mv contention. If I can convert you good luck to me. Mr Williams—I hope I shall not follow your example, That will be a poor conversion, Mr. Gibson. reading— On February 26th, 1903, Mr. Williams was returned to the Town Council at a bye-elec- tion. Addressing the electors after the result of the poll, Mr. Williams said he had been subjected to a vile and mean attack by the Editor of the Cambrian News." He was highly amused with reference to the advice that he should stick to his business in Pier- street. What struck him was perhaps it would have beon advisable if Mr. Gibson had stuck to Pier-street instead of going to North- parade. It was well for Ir. Gibson to understand that two could play at this game. One of his sins was that he had been looking after the prices the Corporation paid for their printing. On December 15th 1903, at a meeting of the Aberystwyth Town Council Mr. C. M. Williams attacked the Cambrian News and said that statements made in it were abso- lutely false. On Tuesday, February 2nd. 1904, Mr. C. M. Williams, at a meeting of the Town Coun- cil, repeatedly accused Mr. Gibson, jun., of making false statements. Mr. Williams also said he did not address Mr. Gibson as a Christian. That, added Mrl Gibson, was a foul and mean attack. Mr Williams—You do not deny that? Mr Gibson-Well, I do not bow to you as a Christian. TTr. Williams—Perhaps not. Mr Gi-t)soti-The most scandalous statement ever made to any man. Mr. Williams—You invited the remark. Mr. Gibson-I say that if there is any man who has no right to say that about another man you are that man. Every man in this room knows in his heart of hearts exactly what you are. I have put my case. Mr. Williams—You are not to be a judge of any man. Mr. Gibson-I have put my case in answer to your challenge and I ask Mr. Wynne, who was chairman of the Finance Committee at the time, whether the tender was opened and discussed. Of course you had to open the envelope before you could know which was ours. Mr. Williams—That is what I said. Mr. Gibson—You implied that our tender was discussed. I thank you. gentlemen, for having listened to my statement. Mr. Williams—You have proved nothing. There is no wonder that some of the members are tired. The statements are hashed for fourteen or fifteen years. Mr Gibson—If Mr. Williams speaks, I shall want to reply, Mr Williams—The whole statements made by Mr Gibson do not prove a single thing. Mr Gibson-If he makes a statement, I shall reply to it. Mr Williams—I decline to enter into any wrangle. You make a statement inoorrect and wrong and you stick to it. I only want to make one statement with regard to the Guardians. That is the usual course taken all along. Mr Gibson—Nothing is unfair. Mr Williams—Nothing- is unfair after all your rehash. The only other point has reference to the Terrace-road lease and I venture to say that an overwhelming number in the town held strongly my views. Mr Gibson And) they knocked you out at the next election. ^r' TT-lHatm—knocked me out be- cause I did not canvass and did not go about for three weeks inviting. ■l ffr- Gibson—-At a meeting of the Council held early m the year you said I had floated into the Council on a bit of paner. Well, what ? Would you not like to float oil the But ;f„rSt.bOU' -™U-bits of buff Hue. Mr Williiams—The inference about the county advertisements is that on mv re- commendation the County Council ^fuid to accept the « Cambrian News" He dS for the uTenders invited menu Th °f }he °°unty advertise- •Smbria?'nI W»re- tW0- papers below the were ao™ntSWS J* pnce and the lowest were accepted and some of Mr Gibson's best friends on the Committee a^ed to it unanimously There are other items in Mr .^rn-fs' ?u1he d°" not'pro^e a single act of. mine o bear out the state- ™ bein £ ""Just. Gibson—I have proved tW 7, n TV* -.& T VIlA..1.£.&0" veon futt,lng Xour dirty nose in our" business Mr cTbliamsrideny thafc- been nnfl;™ llaT° Proved that voil have ness for fifteeryL s Varis nt°t T1 gMf'^f deS» language.00 M son's bmi ia™S~wth ro1fere>nce to Mr. Gib- tee thi™ f,n« b?fore the Financo Commit- tee there is nothing wrong in that Thev sions °n<l On S were made tL gefc bll,s and reductions kin/? t • •? ,ere w?re repeated cases of that J^nvited tenders. ^lbs°n—You did. I know you did. u Williams—No; I did not. I did as a member of the Committee. I shall not reply to every statement, but I wish to say parti- cularly that not a single statement of Mr Gibson's prove that I have acted uniustlv to the "Cambrian News." There i* ™ S+p- ment I wish the public to have clear and that g the statement with regard to Mr. D. C. Roberts-that he retired because some accu- sations were made against him with regard to the lease m Terrace-rnnd Mr. Gibson-Your monument. c,re'stion was^Tn i1S not my monument. A im'tW the meet" sePs opinion whether iT i i U that could not omt n ?. gr^nt a lfase nr mtontiinn me into existence for sixteen Dropos!S n!. yGan\ ,I think Mr. Roberts had tioifand nn t860?? tbat Particular resolu- obiect of if said.was that in my opinion the r fj 5 Jt Simply to delay the matter, the'™ grounds for saying that because the matter had been delayed -not at my reo- quest. wbiSi^n Certainly. I can prove that. Williams—After it had been decided two or three times when the previous appli- cant came for it. This statement has been grossly magnified and made to appear as if I unjust to Mr. Roberts. I should be the first to withdraw if I had been un- fair to him. It has been made to appear as it I had done something terrible. I am glad to nave an opportunity of explaining it in public. Not a single statement has been made to prove that I have done anything except what is honourable and just to the Counted and any insinuation to the oofi- trary by Mr Gibson is unfair. Mr Gibson.—If Mr Williams is honour- able and just, he is the worst sample I have ever seen. The Council then rose.

BORTH What About Borth ?-In all the talk about advertising the district nobody ever says a word in favour of Borth. When the Upping- ham School was located at Borth that place obtained some publicity, but the inhabitants are quite content to be ignored. They are not aware that the place is attractive and that with a little skill it could benefit greatly by its nearness to Aberystwyth.

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