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CARMARTHENSHIRE CAMPAIGN. THE EDUCATION COMMITTEE i CONDEMNED. MR. LLOYD-GEORGE AND PROFESSOR JONES. The campaign of protest against the action of the Carmarthenshire Education Committee in refusing to acquiesce in the decision of the Cardiff Conference to withhold rate-aid to the non-provided schools was continued at Whitland on Friday evening, when a crowded meeting was held at the Tabernacle Congre- gational Chapel, under the presidency of the pastor, the Rev. William Thomas. Special importance attached to the demonstration inasmuch as it was understood that the pro- test had special reference to the stand made by the Rev. Professor Jones, chairman of the education committee, in characterising the policy of the Cardiff Conference as "un-Chris- tian, immoral, and cowardly." and the sup- port given to his view by fourteen out of twenty members present at the education committee. Mr. Lloyd-George, M.P., and the Rev. Elvel Lewis received a great ovation on their appearance on the pulpit platform. Mr. Lloyd-George said that Mr. Balfour, in a letter in that day's papers, asked them why they did not strike against the payment of taxes in the past, and why did they protest now. Their answer was—this was the first real chance they had had of effectually pro- testing, and they were going to take it. (Applause.) It was a chance the Government gave them foolishly. As soon as he (the speaker) saw that the Government were going to impose upon the county council the duty of leying the education rate. he saw at once and rejoiced that the Lord had at last delivered the Tories into their hands. (Ap- plause.) That was what he thought, but he had not heard of Professor Jones then. (Laughter.) He thought that all the county councils of Wales were made up of men of courage, of principle, and of convictions, and true to the tradition of their fathers. H heart swelled with pride. when he thought of it. He said. "At any rate. Wales will now show the way," and, in spite of all the professors in Christen- dom, it would do so yet. (Applause.) He had thought more of that Act and resolution than anything else he had given thought to. His colleagues and himself had incessantly studies every comma and semi-colon in it, and he thought they had at last put a full-stop to it. (Laughter and applause.) They took months to consider what line to take. They had a convention at Cardiff, and their pro- posals were submitted to it; a second conven- tion was held at Cardiff; they had con- ferences of county councils at Llandrindod and Swansea, as well as a convention of the whole body of Free Churches in England and Wales at Brighton. All had considered the propceals of the Welsh members, and all had concluded that the right line to take was the course recommended to the county council by the WeJsh members, but Professor Jones said that the action decided upon by the mass of Nonconformist opinion throughout the king- dom was cowardly, un-Christian, and im- moral. ("Oh," and "Shame.") That was very extraordinary. The whole body of the Free Churches met at Brighton, and, according to Professor Jones's interpretation, they delibe- rately resolved to enter upon an orgie of im- morality throughout the kingdom. Really, he must say something more upon that extraordinary position. There was Pro- fessor Jones, a. Christian minister, he believed he was that—{"Oh" and laughter) -deliberately seeing his brethren in the Ministry, distinguished men who had been of good repute up to the present, suddenly embarking upon this immoral action, and what did Professor Jones do? Did he go to Brighton to rebuke them and remon- strate with them? No; he Bulked in his study at home. If that was not a cowardly action. he would like Proteseor Jones to give a better illustration to his own conduct. (Hear, hear.) If he thought that all those great ministers were guilty of un-Christian oonduct in press- ing upon all the Free Churches in the land to take th&.t course his business was to go to Brighton and save them from such a disastrous action, instead of having fled to Tarsus. (Loud laughter.) He had better take oare that the result to him would not be more disastrous than the result that happened to his predecessor who was thrown over- board. (Hear, hear.) They had millions of people in the Free Churches, each of them thinking probably that he had got the best judgment as to events, policy, and action. But they could not have millions of different courses of action, and, when they consulted together and came to a common conclusion, he thought it was the business of ,every loyal man to pursue tha.t common course. (Applause.) It was quite open to Professor Jones to attend the meeting and try to a.lter the policy. Why did he not go to Brighton and argue with them? He would nave been listened to, and if he rate good reasons against the course they were taking they would have changed their minds. The same thing would have happened at Cardiff and at Swansea if he could have given good reasojs ior ohanying the course. But, eeeing that all the progressive councils in Wales had unitedly come to this conclusion as to the non-levying of rates for non-provided schools, he thought it was unfair and dis- loyal in any progressive council to break away, for, when one progressive council broke away it aid more harm than when a Tory council went wrong. (Hear, hear.) Like the lost sheep, the Carmarthenshire Council had gone into the wilderness, and their enemies were now making a great taunt and harvest of the fact. Its action really weakened the cause throughout the whole kingdom, and that was why he was taking so much trouble to bring the lost sheep back. It was very hard that one of their own men should give them away in the hour of victory. (Hear, hear.) Victory was in reach, the enemy were flying before them, when all at once came that diversion which threw them back at the mercy of the enemy, but, thank goodness, he had never yet heard of a professor winning a battle. Professors were all very well to write their views on fights that had passed. The county that failed, at the present opportunity, was a traitor to the great traditions of their fathers. Professor Jones talked about the education of the children. He said, "Are you going to neglect the education of the chil- dren." Well, he would prefer, personally, that those children should, if necessary, go for two or three years without education than that they should teach them doctrines which, in the judgment of that audience, were injurious to their future. After all, in every great fight somebody must suffer. Cromwell never asked, when he hit a, cava- lier, what would become of his children. It might be cruel, but, after all, they could not think of all those things when in the thick of the fight, and when there were grave con- sequences involved, which were not matters of two or three years' importance. (Applause.) The Rev. H. Elvet Lewis (London) said it was very difficult for him, as an old pupil and life-long friend of Professor Jones, to oppose what, he felt assured, were well con- sidered views, but it mutt be done, whoever might be their opponent; He had, however, the authority of Professor Jones for saying that the statement he made at the education committee was purely from the standpoint of the children, and that, had he known the application and use which would have been made of his words, he would not have uttered them in the form he did. (Hear, Jrtar.) A resolution was then carried with accla- mation, appealing to the county council to decline rate-aid to non-provided schools unless the foundation tn*na«rers placed them entirely undfcr public oorrtrol, ItS matter of justice to the ratepayers, and a proof that the coun- cil approved of the policy adopted at the Cardiff National Convention. The meeting also commended the stand made by the minority of the education committee. MEETING AT CARMARTHEN. Another meeting of protest was held at the Guild-hall, Carmarthen, on Satur- day afternoon, when the BeT. A. Fuller Mills (Baptist) presided over a crowded audience. Mr. Lloyds-George, M.P., Mr. Brynmor Jones, M.P., and the Rev. H. Elvet Lewis were princi- pal speakers. The chairman opened the proceedings by evoking ambiguous lausfhter with the state- ment that he was glad to belong to that new order of Christians—the cowardly, the un- Chrifrtian, and the immoral. Mr. Lloyd-George, M.P., said that nothing had occasioned greater surprise and distress amongst all true Liberals and Nonconformists in England and Wales than the action of the Carmarthenshire Education Committee. To him it was a source of great perplexity, and hed neither fathom nor explain it. In October last the Carmarthenshire County Council, consisting: of the same men, passed a resolution that under no conditions would they administer the Education Act at all. Pro- fessor Jones and Mr. Henry Jones Daviee-and the whole lot of them—voted for it. They were not satisfied to wait until the fight ca.me, but took off their coats six months in advance, and, like Mr. Snodgrass in one of Charles Diokens's novels, they gave notice to all and sundry—to Lord Rose be ry and the highest and lowest in the land, down to the humblest commoner—that six months hence the County council of Car- marthen were going to strike- What had become of that? Their courasr"' had oozed out from their finger tips, 1 oment they smelt powder they ran except their own" Mabon." (Gre and applause.) What had ha- ice to make them change? The r i" in the resolution was, "Unless rovides satisfactory control ovei :e-aided schools." Did they conside u, Bill, as passed, provided satisfact • y ,1 over those schools? (Cries of ( 'jr well, then. why did they not stx: resolu- tion? (Applause.) He r, ring to ftnd out reasons for th< of the county council, and, naturally, in order to get at those reasons, he read, first of al.1.: Professor Jones's, and then the speech of his friend the bishop—(great laughter)-because he observed that whilst Mr. Elvet Lewis and he were criticising the action of Professor Jones on the previous evening at Whitland, his friend the bishop was defending him at Lampeter College—a very proper platform for the defence — (laughter) — and he ob- served that the Prime Minister also took the same view. (Great laughter.) The only distinction he would draw between them would be this: it seemed to him that the Prime Minister and the bishop defended the proposol. course of policy in much more moderate language than Professor Jones. (Laughter.) .They had not charged them with "un-Christian, cowardly, and immoral conduct. (Cries of "Shame.") They had left that to one of their own Nonconformist brethren. (Loud cheers.) If Churchmen wanted their schools to be treated fairly, let them hand their schools over to the county council. ("Hear, hear," and applause.) The Bishop of St. David's had asked the question, "Don't Churchmen pay rates? If so, why should not Churchmen get their share of the rates?" They did. Nonconformists paid rates, but they did not ask for rates for their own schools; they were willing that the schools should be controlled by the rate- payers. If Churchmen were in a majority Churchmen would control; but if Church- men were in the minority they must allow the majority to rule. But they wanted it both ways. (Laughter.) The gentlemen who were going to levy rates must go through with it. They did not pass resolutions and then withdraw from them. Once a rate was levied they had got to raise it, if there was no part of the county to resist it. Had those gentlemen who ran away from their resolution six months ago the courage to imprison their fellow Nonconform- ists of Carmarthenshire? (Cries of "No.") Mr. Davies, Rhydyrhaids. then proposed a resolution protesting against the action vof the Carmarthenshire Education Committee, and calling upon the county council to reject the committee's recommendations. The resolution was seconded by the Rev. E. Davies, Carmarthen, supported by Mr. Brynmor Jones, and the Rev. Elvet Lewis, and carried. DEMONSTRATION AT LLANDILO. MR. LLOYD-GEORGE AND THE BISHOP OF ST. DAVID'S. At a. later hour a largely-attended meeting, with a similar object, was held at the Drill- hall, Llandilo, under the chairmanship of the Rev. Phillip Jones (Methodist). Mr. Abel Thomas, M.P. for East Carmar- thenshire, ventured to think that the majority of the Nonconformists of Wales were agreed with him (the speaker) that they must make it impossible to put the Education Act into full force in any part of Wales. (Hear, heaf.) He had that morning read the speech of the Bishop of St. David's. It was a delibe- rate and patient speech, and, in hie opinion. an honeet speech—-(hear, hear)—in which the bishop put a conundrum which was an extremely easy one to answer. His lordship seemed to think that the basis upon which they should test the Act was whether it was not Churchmen who paid the major portion of the rates in each parish. Had his lordship forgotten what was equally as certain, that. though it might be possible that Churchmen paid the greater part of the rates, the majority of the children educated in the schools were the children of Nonconformists? (Hear, hear.) Were they to decide what they were to do by the fact that the wealthy man paid more in rates than the poor man? If so. then that was a new doctrine. There was not a. single Churchman who could honestly throw a stone at the Nonconformists for the course they were now taking. (Hear. hear.) Mr. Lloyd-George said he had no doubt that the Bishop of St. David's was a very religious man. He did not challenge his religion at all. because he was brought up as a Non- conformist—(applause and laughter)—and, therefore, he had had a good training. CRear hear.) The bishop, who owed the best in his navure to Nonconformity, was now engaged in persuading others to adopt the same career that he had himself taken. But they could not all be bishops. There were only four bishoprics in the whole of Wales. and only four palaces, and one of those was burnt down -(1aughter)-and, therefore, since they could not all aspire to bishoprics, they must trtad the old prickly path, and they would do it to the end, even though there was no bishopric at the end of it. (Applause.) The Rev. Towyn Jones in a. speech in the vernacular attacked Professor Jones and his supporters as traitors to the common cause of Nonconformity. If Professor Jones did not come back to the fold he was doomed, and so wae the Carmarthen Presbyterian College with him. Other speakers followed, and a resolution similar in purport to that submitted to the Carmarthen meeting was carried unani- mously. MEETING AT AMMANFORD. PROFESSOR JONES AND HIS COLLEGE TO GO TO THE WINDS. Another meeting was held in the open-air at the cricket field, Ammanford, on Saturday evening. "Wa.tcyn Wyn" presided, and the chief speakers were Mr. Lloyd-George, M.P., and Mr. Abel Thomas, K.C.. M.P. The Rev. J. Towyn Jones (Glanamman) moved the usual resolution. He said Professor Jones was trying to be kind to the children, and whenever anybody was pretending to love the children they could be sure Judas was not very far off. (Laughter and cheers.) The place for Professor Jones was the Church of England if he would not seek repentance, and if he did not do this he and his college would go to the winds. (Cheers.) Mr. Timothy Davies (Fulham) seconded, and sat (I that the Borough Council of Fulham had passed a similar resolution to the one of the Carmarthenshire Oounty Council because their chairman came from that county. ("Shame.") Mr. Abel Thomas said it would be very difficult to repeal this Act. Even if they had a big majority in Parliament they would have to convince that ndble Assembly called v the House of Lords. (Laugh- ter.) ft was of no use having a big majo- rity, because they had to convince that I Assembly, and the result was that they must fight the battle in every possible way. He was absolutely astounded to hear who had betrayed them on the county council. Mr. Lloyd-George, speaking in Welsh, said the action of the Carmarthenshire Education Committee had reached the heart of every Nonconformist in the county. He had never known a. county so much moved as Carmar- thenshire had been over this iniquitous Act. He did not know the members of the county council individually, but the Rev. Towyn Jones had given them a very bad character. (The Rev. Towyn Jones: I know them.") And "Towyn" always spoke the truth. (Laugh ter and applause.) They were fighting for a religion that did not require the Government stamp upon it, which was a counterfeit, and they should put it on the list of Chamber- lain. (Laughter and applause.) This false metal was good for nothing except to make screws. (Laughter.) In his last letter to him the late Rev. Hugh Price Hughes said, Whatever happens, I will pay no Church rate," and had he not reached a land where there was no oppression he would to-day be leading them in this campaign, and endea- vouring to keep the old county on the rignt lines. (Cheers.) they would make an efflgy of this new Act a.t the next general election. (Applause.) Professor Jones had asked what would become of the children if they were not taught the Catechism in Car- marthenshire. They would make men of them. (Cheers.) Two and a half millions of boys and girls were taught Catechism which the speaker described as mean, abject doctrines of snobbery. The resolution was tarried unanimously. MR. BRYNMOR JONES AT BURRY PORT. REPLY TO THE BISHOP OF ST. DAVID'S. Speaking a.t Burry Port on Saturday night, Mr. Brynmor Jones said the Act violated the principles of religion, freedom, and equality. Those were principles for which his late father had fought before him. His brother, the late Viriamu Jones, who took no part in politics, also fought for those principles, and had converted the IMe Dean of Llandaff to them. Dealing with passive resistance, he said that he did not think much of that form of proteet. It was not, fn his opinion, a very formidable weapon. He was a, lawyer, and he always accepted rebukes from so friendly an authority as the Bishop of St. David's with the utmost readiness. The bishop sug- gested that he (Mr. Jones) should continue his legal studies. He would not retort with a tu quo que and tell the bishop that he had better continue his theological studies, bat he would like to remind his lordship that there was such a thing as history and political science, and that it would be interesting for him to read the history of the first part of the seven- teenth century. If he did that he would find that Kings and ecclesiastics who set them- selves against the people generally came to a bad end. (Laughter and cheers.) But, really, he had no controversy with the bishop, who was bound by reason of his position to take up a certain attitude. As the bishop had challenged him, however, he would say this: Anyone who refused to pay rates was behaving illegally. If any two or'more persons joined together and Baid they would not pay this education rate they were liable to be indicted for conspiracy at common 16.. Now, that sounded very bad.. (Laughter.) But there was such a. thing as trial by jury, and he did not think that the Attorney-General would find a Welsh jury who would convict them. If any man said that his consoience prevented him from paying this rate, as a lawyer he condemned him, but as a moralist he condoned him. (Hear, hear.) Professor Jones had done immense service to Welsh education, and he waa a man to whom he looked up with admiration and veneration. But Professor Jones said that the course they had resolved upon was immoral, un- I Christian, and cowardly." Was it un-Christian to say that rates should not be handed over to bodies that were not responsible ? THE BISHOP'S CHALLENGE. At St. David's College, Lampeter, on Friday the Bishop of St. David's (Dr. Owen), in responding at the Degree Day luncheon to the toast "The Bishops and Clergy," said he thought he would be wanting in his duty if he made no reference that day to a movement —he did not like to call it an agitation-now on foot, inaugurated by certain Welsh members of Parliament—among whom he numbered some valued personal friends—to induce and, he thought he ought to go go further and say to coerce, Welsh county councils to withdraw rate- a,id from Church schools. Now, that movement was based upon two con- siderations. They were told that that pro- posal was legal, and he understood told- although they had not been exactly told in so many words-that this remarkable move- ment was also just. He would not venture to argue the question of law with friends of his-with two in particular who were learned lawyers and had been publicly making state- ments that for a county council to withhold rate-aid from non-provided schools was not illegal. But he ventured to say this—with all respect for his friend and others who enter- tained that view-they would do well to pursue a little further their legal studies— (laughter)-and he would not be surprised if they found cause to change their opinion. (Hear, hear.) In these days of universal edu- cation even Welsh M.P.'s might live to learn. He might, however, venture to criticise briefly the second plea advanced by this movement. The most fruitful source of fallacies in logic was to ignore some Important factor of the premises of an argument. He ventured to think that these Parliamentary propagandists had forgotten the fact that Churchmen paid rates and taxes as well as other people Nowadays we hear a great deal about "inquiry" into questions of finance. It would be very interesting if someone made an inquiry into the amount of rates and taxes towards education paid by thoee who preferred non-provided schools. Until this inquiry was made he thought it fair to press the subject for consideration whether it would not be found that in every Welsh county the friends of non-provided schools paid more in rates than would be required under the Act to mainta-in those scaools on the same level as provided schools. If this were so it seemed to him that the object of the present move- ment very unconsciously came to this—to deprive the Church schools of the rates of Church people; and he would ask Welsh M.P.'s and others who pressed upon county councils this singular policy to give their reasons for calling it just to deprive Church schools of the rates of Church people. ("Hear, hear," and applause.) He regretted most sincerely that the Act had given rise to pain- ful feelings, but he thought it would be found in time that Welsh people were no less dis- tinguished for clear heads than warm hearts. ("Hear, hear," and applause.) If he was at all right in that line of thinking he Would like. through the courtesy of the press, to respect- fully invite M.P.'s who were speaking on that topic to address themselves specifically upon that point. ("Hear, hear," and applause.) MR. LLOYD MORGAN, M.P.'S VIEWS. The attitude of Mr. J. Lloyd Morgan, M.P. for West Carmarthenshire, upon the policy of no rate-aid for non-provided schools" pursued by certain of his fellow Welsh mem- bers is no longer capable of being misunder- stood. Seen at Carmarthen on Saturday, just before the meeting to be addressed by Mr. Lloyd-George and Mr. Brynmor Jones against the action of the county education committee, Mr. Lloyd Morgan said:— I do not propose to attend the meeting to censure the education committee, because I have not, in the first, place. been invited to attend; and if I had been I should have declined the invitation because I agree with the decision of the education committee, and had I been a member of it I should have voted with the majority. I expressed my opinion on the queetion in this sense, both in public and in private, before the education commit- tee passed the resolution complained of. and nothing that has taken place since has caused me to alter my opinion. I think an unneces- sary amount of personalities has been intro- duced into the controversy. I am sure that those who know Professor Jones as well as I do will be convinced that the savage attack made upon him is not justified, and I believe that when the heat of controversy is over Professor Jones will stand as high as ever In the public estimation."

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