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DISCUSSION AT NEWPORT SCHOOL BOARD. A DISSENTING MINISTER ON THE CLAIMS OF CARDIFF. ACTION OF MERTHYR SCHOOL BOARD. NEWPORT. On Friday the monthly meeting of the Now- port School Board was held at the offices. Mr. D. Edwards presided, and there were present Messrs. E. Thomas. R. Davies, H. Collier, W. Vaughan, J. C. Sanders. M. Wheeler, and the Revs. D. Cavalli, H. Oliver, B.A., and J. Douglas. THE UNIVERSITY COLLEGE SCHEME. The CLERK read a letter from the Mayor of Cardiff, asking the board to co-operate with that town in taking steps to memorialise Government in favour of Cardiff. The letter set forth that £ 50,000 was required, and that £ 13.000 had been already promised. It was believed the remainder would be speedily raised. The CHAIRMAX said he had promised to bring this matter before the bo;ird. Individually he fully concurred with what was said in the letter in favour of Cardiff. That town would be most con- venient for Monmouthshire. It was now believed that a college would be established in Glamorgan- shire. The subject of education in Wales was men- tioned in the Speech from the Throne. In his opinion there ought to be three—one in North Wales and two for South Wales and Monmouth- shire. It would be a great pity to deprive Aber- ystwith of its college, as it had been the means of causing a commission to sit and report upon the subject of higher education. He was quite clear there ought to be a college in Glamorgaa- J shire, and that Cardiff should have the preference over Swansea. Cardiff would evi- dently make itself, by its Wge population and commercial importance, the metropolis of Wales; andnotwithstanaing the frantic attempts of the people of Swansea, he thought it would be futile to prove that the decision should be other- wise than in favour of Cardiff. The latter town was making rapid strides, and was proposing to "make a new dock. which would extend almost to the river Eumney. Then the Alexandra Dock Company was going to Parliament for powers to enlai-ge their dock, and he understood it was pro- posed to call it the East Cardiff Dock. Thus the people of Newport would be in a position to feel almost as much interested in the proposed college as Cardiff itself. It woul(I be a great convenience to the people of Newport and Monmouthshire to have the college t Cardiff, rather than Swansea. He was glad to ;ee the Marquess of Bute had given £ 10,000 to the' .'und for establishing a college there. There was no difficulty likely to arise on the score of religious dissensions. Evidently the Church of England was quite prepared for it, and were coming out quite as strongly as the Dissenters. And now that the Marquess of Bute had come out he had no doubt that the Roman Catholics would take an active part in promoting it. He moved that the board should memorialise the Government in favour of Cardiff. The Hev. J. DOUGLAS seconded tllfc motion. The Rev. H. OLIVER said he was sorry he could not support the chairman. Swansea was unques- tionably superior to Cardiff in its traditional his- tor-v and intellectual status. The situation of Swansea would be convenient for the whole of the Principality. It had infinitely better claims than Cardiff. The CHAIBMAN said there would be a college for North Wales. This was for South Wales. Either ..mpeter or Aberystwith would be continued for he North. Then as to Glamorganshire, that had L population pretty near as large as the rest of South Wales. Newport and Monmouthshire were increasing. This was a question affecting the uture. As to intelligence, he objected to put one town against another. He would not like to say Cardiff was inferior to Swansea. The Rev. H. OLIVER again rose, and asked what would become .>f Cardiff. It would be worked out ;n less than 30 years. After the coal was worked out what had Cardiff to depend upon? It would become a heap of ruins. (Laughter.) The progress of Swansea had not been so rapid as Cardiff. Its progress had been more gradual, and more likely to last. They could hardly call Cardiff an English or a Welsh town. It was an omnium, ftaiheram of all nations-Italians, Poles, and no one knew who. Swansea was really a respectable town, where a man knew who his grandfather was. I Laughter.. There they knew the pedigree of one another, and a. really healthy public opinion pxisted there. He should doubt very much the propriety of sending a child of his to a college at Cardiff-a place where the people were nearlv all foreigners, and where the intellectual and moral status of the people was far below that of Swansea. The moral atmosphere was healthy at Swansea. It; was more in the heart of Wales than Cardiff. And then, Monmouthshire was not in Wales. People denied it to his face. If a man was hanged in Monmouthshire it would be called a. Welsh murder. Yet peddle denied that Monmouthshire was in Wales. He was prepared to prove that Monmouth- shire had been in Wales since the creation of the world. (Loud laughter.) His sympathy was with the Welsh characteristics, and Swan sea. had far superior claims to Cardiff. (A Voice: And with the copper smoke ?) Yes, copper smoke and all. (Laughter.) The CHAIRMAN hoped that Lord Tredegar would pronounce in favour of Cardiff, and help in the matter. The motion was carried with only one dissentient —the Rev. H. Oliver. There was no other business of importance. MERTHYR. On Friday, at the Merthyr School Board, the question of the site for the proposed University College came on for discussion. The members present were Messrs. Thos. Williams (chairman), W. L. Daniel, Rees Jones, Henry Evans, Walter Smyth, D. Davies (Glcbelanrtl. and theRevs. Father Tunnev, J. Williams, D. Griffiths, and J. M. Bowen. The Clerk read a circular letter from the mayor and town-clerk of Cardi ff, respectfully soliciting tee co-operation of the board in favour of Cardiff Doeing chosen as the site of the proposed college, Md with it was a copy of a memorial to the de- partment on the same subject. The CHA!irMAX: Are you prepared to make any proposition on the matter i It has been before us once or twice before. Mr. SMYTH Is it really a settled thing that it must be either at Cardiff or Swansea ? I have not heard that before. The CHAIRMAN These places are mentioned in the committee's report. Mr. REKS Joxas: The Special Commissioners' report. Mr. SMYTH If the matter is an open question I ion think we ought to hold our hands, and I think Merthyr would be as good a town as any for it. (Hear, hear.) Mr. DAVIES Better, too. Mr. SMYTH I will not sav that at present. Mr. DANIEL The three places were suggested in the evidence given, but those two—Cardiff and Swansea—were fixed upon by the committee in their recommendations. I think it is desirable that wo should do something in the matter. Mr. RYES Jo\fs The great question for Merthyr ;s-which place would be most accessible for the people. No doubt. the railway companies would make arrangements for special tickets for students. Mr. SMYTH Perhaps, as a matter of convenience, both places are on all fours. Mr. DANIEL-. Scarcely. Mr. REES JOKES Not equal with Cardiff. Mr, SMYTH Not just at present, but there is no earthly reason why it should not be. Mr. REES JONES: They have taken 25 years to find the necessity. You have two lines of railway '31 competition for Cardiff. Mr. SMYTH I must say that if we thought there .va,ct a chance of getting it here (Merthyr; we j jhould not go in favour of one place. TFL: Mr. DANIEL: What is the feeling of the board ? Are we disposed to memorialise. It is time we should decide something, for the memorial will have to be presented soon. Mr. D. DAVIES I move that we, as a board, go .'n for Swansea. It is more centrally situated, and we ought to consider the friends'm Carmarthen- shire, Pembrokeshire, and the lower portion of Cardiganshire. Mr. REES JOXES And not take into consideration the friends in Monmouthshire. I Mr. DAVIES said they were quite as near to Swansea as Cardiff. Mr. REES JONES denied that the residents of the northern portion of Monmouthshire were so near Swansea as Cardiff. Mr. DAVIES That is my opinion. Mr. JONES It is not altogether a matter of opinion, but a matter of fact. Mr DANIEL said they would not be out ot order in considering the matter that day, though, per- haps, as a matter of courtesy, notice of the matter being brought under discussion should be given. He moved that the question be gone into then, as it was desirable they should decide one way or the other. The CHAIRMAN said that if they were a divided house there would not be much strength in the memorial. Mr. REES JONES said the memorial would be under the seal of the board. Mr. DAVIES said he would give notice to bring the matter forward at the next meeting. Mr. DANIEL said he would move that they at once memorialise in favour of Cardiff. Several members suggested that the memorial should be read, and this having been done, Mr. DANIEL repeated his motion, and he did not think it would have been necessary to have said a word had not Mr. Davies expressed an opinion in favour of Swansea. He did not think they would be warranted in taking a purely selfish view of the matter. The only question they had to consider was which was the best place for it. Mr. Davies had hinted that Swansea was the more central place, and perhaps it would be well to consider in what respect it would be more central. It was true Swansea was 30 miles lower down, but, then, they had to take into con- sideration the bulk of the population, and inas- much as Mr. Lewis Williams's speech remained unanswered to that day on the question of popu- lation he (Mr. Daniel) did not think it necessary So say more than that the bulk of the population was on the side of Cardiff. They had to take into consideration the whole of the Welsh people of Monmouthshire, for whatever the law said those people believed firmly that they were Welsh oeople. and lived in a Welsh county. He was not Toing to raise that question, but the question of W-&Dsea and Cardiff. He believed that certain statements made at the recent meeting at Swansea were somewhat incorrect, and he thought that in deciding for Cardiff that board would b« doing -wve'f Having referred to Cardiff being nearer to the 'ladento from the large centres of pOpuktion, the speaker said t&ey had also to take into consi- deration the accommodation of Cardiff. The people of that town ware spirited, and Cardiff had its institutions—it was a town of wonderful growth, and, in fact, everything taken up by the Cardiff people seemed to thrive. He knew a fuss was made at the Swansea meeting of the several important institutions in that town; and, in mentioning this, he was not saying a word against Swansea; but, at the same time, he very Much questioned whether a corporation, which he be- lieved at that moment war. CSOO or S900 in debt in entertaining the British Association, was justified in promising a grant to A college of that kind of land at £ 10,000OR £ 12,000. He would put it in this way—What would be thought of a poor man, however generous he might be. who owed a large debt, and who made a large present to another person? They would agree with him he would not be justified in doing so. He looked upon the matter in that view. Let them take the statistics in reference to Cardiff. They found that Cardiff naid its debts, and the rates were lower there than in Swansea, and Cardiff had also a good spirited corporation. It had a mayor who had taken up the matte* warmly, and had out his name down for -01,000. And they found That six or seven other gentlemen had placed their names down for £ 1,000, others for £ 300. and some for £ 200, whiist the Marquess of Bute had shown so much faith in the undertaking and was so anxious to do somet hing that he placed his name down for £ 10,000. Apart from that, he was pretty sure that when the town of Cardiff and the Counties of Glamorgan and Monmouth were canvassed other large sum would be forth- coming. Then there was the question referred to by Mr. Davies. and very properly re- ferred to-the Welsh population. The speaker then went on to say that Cardiff, having regard to the large bulk of the population of the district, the Rhondda and Monmouthshire, was far more accessible than Swansea, and con- cluded by remarking that he could safely ask the board, not in a selfish interest to Merthyr itself, but in the interest of the Principality, and for the interest of the University College itself, to give its unanimous vote in favour of the location of the University College in the town of Cardiff. He begged to move the adoption of the memorial. The Rev. D. GRIFFITHS seconded the proposition. The CHAIRMAN Is thero any amendment ? Mr. D. DAVIF.S said he would move that the board recommend .Swansea. He thought that would be For the general convenience of the nation at large. The Rev. J. WILLIAMS seconded the amendment. Afte" further discussion, the proposition and amendment were submitted, the proposer and seconder only voting for th.- latter. The memorial ir favour of Cardiff was then agreed to, and the discussion terminated.






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