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2IIt. RHODE'S CROSS-EXA-XINED-
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2IIt. RHODE'S CROSS-EXA- XINED- CLOSELY QUESTIONED ON THE IWAID. The Select Committee on South African Affaire, with special reference to the adminis- tration of the Chartered Company, held its second Hitting on Friday afternoon in the Com- itiasicn-hali at Westminster. Owing to the fact that Mr. Cecil Rhodes was again under examination keen interest was again taken in the occasion. If there had been admission to the public the vast area. of Westmineter-hall itself would! not have been more than sufficient to accommodate the crowd who would have desired to be present. There was, however, no space in the Committee-room for any except the limited and privileged few who had direct business, and for suoh members of either House of Parliament as desired to be present. The members of the Committee came in from the ante-room at 12.15, a.nd Mr. Rhodes, being at cxjce called by the CSiairman, took his sea-t at the witnesses' table, and the Chairman inti- mated that Sir William Haroourt would re- sume his cross-examination. Mr. Rhodes (interposing): I willh, Mr. Chair- man, to make a. statement before Sir William Harcourt continues. I notice that en Tuesday J. stated I had never seen a Mr. Holder or Holden. It has been brought to my recollac- I tion that five or six months before the raid a Mr. Holden passed through Cape Town and came to my house. To the best of my recol- lection I had no conversation with him upon this matter. I may also say that I think we broke off upon a question in which I asked for time to consider. Whether the word "chair- man" meant Sir Hercules Robinson Sir W. Harcourt: I am just coming to that, Mr. Rhodes, if you don't mind mv putting one or two questions first of all. You will find on Page 230 in the appendix to the Blue-Book this teiegram, which I wish to call your atten- tion to, dated December 2L It is from Harris to Colonel Rhodes, at Johannesburg—"A. Beit has telegraphed to Lionel Phillips last night to urge instant flotation of a new company. You must see it worked. Reply when you can float, in your opinion, so that I may advise Dr. Jameson." FIXING THE INSURRECTION. Am I right in concluding from this that 8It that time the exact date for the insurrection had not been settled, and that he desired that it should be settled at Johannesburg, so that you might advise Dr. Jameson? Witness: The whole of that matter was left in the hands of the Johannesburg Committee. Sir W. Harcourt: Very well, and when they had settled that matter you would advise Dr. Jameson? Witness: They would have communicated to Dr. Jameson- Sir Wm. Harcourt: The answer to that seems to have been, as far as I can make out, from Colonel Rhodes to you (December 21): — "Please inform C. J. Rhodes that it is stated that the chairman will not leave, unless special I letter inviting him. Definite assurance has been given by all of us that on the day of flotation you and he will leave. There must absolutely be no departure from this, as many subscribers have agreed to take shades on this assurance." You asked time to consider what you would say upon that telegram? Mr. Chamberlain: Pardon me. Looking at the date, I find the first telegram was handed in at 12.56, an-d the second, which you have suggested was an answer, was handed in. at 12.57, so that it could not be an answer. Sir W. Harcourt: It is rather an answer to the telegram from Harris. Mr. Pember, Q.C.: I do not think the hour will suit that, either. DID "CHAIRMAN" MEAN SIR HERCULES ROBINSON? Sir W. Harcourt then repeated the question as to whether "chairman" meant Sir Hercules Robinson (Lord Rosmead). Witness: I thought it was right that I should think the matter over. I may state to the Com- mittee that I had no difficulty in answering any questions ae to my own personal action. I have replied as plainly as I can in relation thereto, and will supplement it upon cross- examination. My difficulty hae been in my replies when some of the details have been left to others. At the same time, I do not wish to evade responsibility. The difficulty has been that anything I say should affect the interests or position of other parties. Now, with reference to this cable or telegram, the "chairman" referred to is certainly the High Commissioner. I had great difficulty in answer- ing that question, but after I had left the other day a certain cable was pointed out to me in the Btkne Book which quite frees me, in my own judgment, in answering. I refer, the members of the Committee to the Imperial Blue Book called "Recent Disturbances in the South African Republic," pappe 2. The telegram pointed out is as follows, "I learn on good authority that the movement has collapsed, owing to internal division, and the leaders of the national move- ment will make the best terms they can with President Kruger." This shows very clearly that the High Commissioner does not deny that, as far as Johannesburg was concerned, he was perfectly aware of the position there. This is sent two days before the raid. I would poirrfc out to the Committee that they must separate from their minds the knowledge of the raid and knowledge of the position of the people at Johannesburg. Sir W. Harcourt: It was sent one day after the raid. Witness: It was received on the day after- wards. Sir William Hawourt called the attention of the witness to a dispatch from Sir Hercules Robinson to Mir. Chamiberlain on Page 37 of the Bitue Book. Mr. Rhodes Following that, I feel I am justi- fied in making a statement 8A to what passed between Sir Heroulep Robinson and myself. I had many conversations with the High Com- missioner as to the position at Johannesburg. My view was that they intended to obtain their rights and to bring about a change, constitutionally if possible, but. if not, by un- constitutional means. I discussed that often with the High Commissioner, and I remember clearly that on one occasion be asked me what I thought he should do in the matter. I said I considered he should proceed to Johannesburg at once if there was a rising, end to mediate between the revohjtionittia and President Eniger. doing his best to oibtain for the people their civil rights. I gathered from him that that was the ocrurse he intended to pursue. A CTjEAN BREAST. Mr. Pope Q.O. (interposing), said that Mr. Rhodes, whom he advised and represented, was there for the purpose of making a clean breast of all his own actions with regard to the whole of this matter, but he was not prepared, and ought not to be compelled, to convert himself into a hostile witness againat others. Mr. Rhodes asked shelter under no man, but he ought not to be compelled to turn, himself into an accuser of others. Sir William Harcourt said this appeal was at thatt moment quite unnecessary. The Chairman said the point urged by Mir. Tope might better be left over until it actually arose. The evidence Mr. Rhodes had been giving was given under the shelter of authority, an excuse which in the view of witness, justified what he said. Mr. Rhodes said he was protected by no bill of indemnity, and he did not care for that for himself, but he did not think he should be forced to give answers and to drag in the names of third parties. Sir William Haroourt: I entirely accept that view. You apparently thought after your conversations with Sir Hercules Robinson, that you were entitled to give the pledge which the people of Johannesburg required, that he would go there if an insurrection took place. Witness: I gathered that from the answers he gave me as to the course he should pursue, and that is exactly the course he did take. Did you tell him that you were yourself actively employed in promoting the insurrec- tion?—Oh, dear no. The pledge was that you should promise the presence of Sir Hercules Robinsoi a* an induce- ment or on tihe insurrection taking place?— Witnesses from Johannesburg oan better tell what the position ?nd understanding was at that place. The people there wanted to know whether the Governor would go there in the event of a rising, and my judgment vras that he would. That was an inducement to them to bring about what is called the flotation ?—That is not so, but you can get that reply bettar from the people themselves. The revolution in Johannes- burg might have been merely a defensive one, without a shot fired, and the Go^rnment could have mediated as to the granting of civil rights. Judging by the various telegmns which passed, it seemed to be arranged ihat the insur- rection was to take place on the Saturday night ai twelve o'clock, and that Dr. Jaaaeaoa. should not start before eight o'clock, and that he was to secure telegraph office silence, which meant cutting the wires? Many of these details I was iot acquainted with, as the telegrams were from Johannes- burg. But these were your orders from Cape Town ? Mr. Pember: Thye simply passed through Cape Town. Witness: I don't desire to evade responsi- bility. I knew broadly what was going to happen, but not all the details. The Com- mittee must remember I was Prime Minister of the Gape, manager for the Chartered Ctmpany, with all its developments, chairman of the De Beers Company, with a capital r.f twenty- millions, and chairman of a company 0: eight, millions in the Grokifields, so that very many things came before me. I broadly sanctioned this matter, but was not able TO go into all the details. If some of my answers seem eva- sive it is not because I desire to shirk respon- sibility, but because I don't remember particu- lar telegrams. Sir Wm. Harcourt: I did not suggest that you were evading responsibility. Mr. Rhodes: But I have been told that I am not sufficiently frank. In reply to further questions, witness said Dr. Jameson was very anxious to move. and many of the telegrams urged upon him the desirableness of delay. In the telegram of the 26th of December, saying it was "absolutely necessary to postpone flotat::>u until we have C. J. Rhodes's absolute pledge that authority of Imperial Government will not be insisted upon." What was the, meaning of the letter phrase? Witness: I thought there should be a plebis- cite, and that when a. change was made the people should themselves decide what should be their future Government. My :dea was for Federal Union. I thought it_ possible that local questions of railways, tariff, justice. &c., plight still be dealt with under the Republic, but that for other matters there might be a federal assembly. You may be sure I was not going to risk my position to change President Kruger for President J. B. Robinson. (Laugh- ter.) Why was the suggested postponement of the insurrection considered so serious a matter that the words are added in the telegram, "Too awful; very sorry"? That was one of the telegrams I did not send myself. Did you understand that it was the inten- tion of Dr. Jameson to start from Mafeking, even if the people at Johannesburg declined to rise?—You had better ask Dr. Jameson that. Sir W. Harcourt: Do you put it to me that you are speaking of yourself when you say "all our foreign friends are now dead against it, and say they will not subscribe a penny to- wards it?" Witness: In this case the "foreign friends" were the Johannesburg people. That is clearly 80. Further cross-examined with regard to Dr. Jameson's movements depending upon "what Captain Healy said," it was a popular error that Mr. Healy never came to him at Cape Town before going on to Mafeking. Healy was merely an agent. The whole thing de- pended upon the messages from Johannesburg. As to Dr. Jameson's message from Pitsani that he had received a telegram through Healy, and, unless he heard definitely to the contrary, would carry into effect a. second telegram, he prdferred that the doctor himself should be questioned upon that. Sir Wm. Harcourt: But does not that con- vey to your mind that unless Dr. Jameson beard definitely to the contrary from you he would go on? Witness i Yes, but I think if I am right you will get that from Dr. Jameson. The tele- gram did not come until the Sunday, and then the wires were cut. You will gather that from Harris and Dr. Jamecon. Mr. Pember, Q.C.: It was proved in the trial at bar that the first telegram and that of the 29th of December were delivered at one and the same time. Witness: I don't know, but I think that was 150. Mr. Pember: It was proved. Sir W. Haroourt: Was it ever suggested to you that Dr. Jameson should go to Pretoria, and not to Johannesburg? I don't think so. All I understood was that Dr. Jameson would go on to Johannesburg if required by the people. AN IMPORTANT POINT. Did you never hear Pretoria suggested as an alternative?—It might have been suggested, but my view always was that he should go direct to Johannesburg, but I would not say "yes" or "no." I am very doubtful about it. Sir Williaim Harcourt remarked that it was an important point, as to which was regarded as the best destination. Mr. Pope, Q.C., thought with great respect that aa a matter of interpretation, Mr. Rhodes ought not to be examined upon it. Sir William Harcourt repeated the question, and Mr. Rhodes reiterated his answer, adding: "I don't see the importance of it." Sir W. Harcourt: You must excuse me in seeing the importance of it. because it is a matter of tlha difference between assisting an insurrection at Johannesburg and making a direct attack on Pretoria). Witness: I do not think it was ever discussed between us, although some of the officers might have discussed it. Sir William Harcourt proceeded to cross- examine the witnes3 upon a statement made in a speech by the Colonial Secretary in the House of Commons on February 13 last year. Sir William quoted from the words, "There waa a. constitutional agitation going on which might sooner or later end in a serious disturbance." Mr. Chamberlain i I wiah to interpose here. Should not I be examined. and not Mr. Rhodes, upon my own speech: (Laughter.) I did not base my statements on anything that had passed between Mr. Rhodes and myself. THE RHODES-CHAMBERLAIN CHAT. Witness: When I saw Mr. Chamberlain we avoided all matters connected with what had occurred in so far as Dr. Jameson's raid was con- cerned. Turning to the right hon. gentleman: I think Mr. Chamberlain will support me when I state that his remarks were almost entirely directed to the situation at Johannesburg, and as to what course the Government should take. Mr. Chamberlain: I did not feel justified in subjecting Mr. Rhodes to any questions as to the circumetancee of the raid, because I knew they would be the subject of inquiry hereafter. Our conversation was devoted to the then existing situation, and to the future situation, Mr. Rhodes (to Sir William Harcourt): Read the speech again. Sir William said he would do so, and accordingly began "There was a constitutional agitation going on," kc. Witness: I don't see how you can say, "A constitutional agitation which might ooner or later end in serious disturbances," because mv view was that they would try to obtain their rights, and that if they failed to get them they would probably, refuse to pay taxes, and that if an attempt was made to compel payment they would resist. Sir W. Harcourt: There was a con- stitutional agitation which might be turned into an agitation which was unconsti- tutional, and I venture to suggest that the pressure which was put at Cape Town upon these people turned a constitutional agitation into an armed insurrection carried out by an armed foroe? Mr. Chamberlain: Then that. Sir Wm. Harcourt, you don't get from my speech. My speech was. of course, a description of the then state of affairs, as I believed it to be, and I pointed out that an agitation which up to a certain point was constitutional and was likely for some time to remain so, was under the pressure of circumstances, and by the inter- vention of Dr. Jameson, turned into an agi- tation which waa unconstitutional. SIR WILLIAM DOES NOT PRESS THE POINT. Sir W. Harcourt: I won't Drees the point further, but that is what I suggest as a fact from the evidence. Mr. Rhodes: What I venture to say is that no men in their senses would risk their lives and property unless they felt deeply, and if people are resolved upon obtaining civil rights and have obtained arms, even in a defensive revolution, I do not see how they can stop. Look at the oases of Italy and of Crete, and Armenia recently. It is difficult to say where constitutional ends and unoon- stitutional begins. Sir William Harcourt next examined Mr. Rhodes ae to the steps whioh he took after Dr. Jameson crossed the border. He asked: When did you come to the conclusion that he had actually gone in? I suppose before you saw Sir Graham Bower? Mr. Rhodes: Yes, on reoeipt of the telegram stating that be would leave that night. The moment you got that telegram you felt sure he had gone inf—Yes. The telegram said: — "Shall leave to-night for the Transvaal." Having reference to the former telegram that silence was to be procured, and the fact that the telegraph wire was cut, was to you sufficient knowledge that he had actually gone in?—What gave me the knowledrrp were the words, "Shall teave to-night for the Transvaal." I see it is stated in the Blue Book, "Sir Graham Bower informed me that Mr. Rhodes had sent for him at eleven o'clock on the pre- vious night to tell him thait Jameson that day had intimated by wire his intention of entering the Transvaal that evening with an armed foroe and then proceeding to Johannesiburg." Mr. Rhodes said he had been endeavouring to communicate with Dr. Jameson stopping such a movement, but found that the wires had been cut. He, however, dung to the hope, as messages had- been sent to Jameson depre- cating intervention, that Jameson might have abandoned his intention. Mr. Rhodes Quite ao. But still you felt sure on the the 29th that he had gone in?—Not quite sure, because Healy had gone round. Healy arrived at Mafeking between three and four on the Sunday morning. You tell me you never learned what message ha delivered ?—I would sooner you got that from Mr. Healy himself. The Chairman: I understand that Mr. Healy was to convey a message from Johannesburg, and not from you ? Mr. Rhodes: Yes. Mr. Pember: The telegram runs "Gould, Adams arrive Mafeking Monday, and Healy, I think, arrives to-night. After seeing him it is you and I must judge of flotation." It was not Jameson alone who was to judge. Sir Wiliam Harcourt: Yes, Mr. Rhodes and Dr. Jameson were to be governed by what Healy said. Mr. Rhodes: I am told that Healy gave a message to stop it, but it will be easy to ask him. The Attorney-General: The gentleman who received the message will also be called. Mr. Pember: My point is that Dr. Jameson did not wait to consult Mr. Rhodes. Mr. Blake: Jameson never communicated to you Mr. Healv's message? Mr. Rhodes: That is so. Sir Wiliiam Harcourt next examined witness as to why he did niot send a message after Jameson on the Sunday, when the wires w-re open, to Pitsani. Mr. Rhodes: It must be remembered that I lived five miles out of Cape Town. Sir William Harcourt: We have had it from Mr. Stephens that when he found he could nwt send the telegram through on the Sunday he never left any message to be forwarded on the Monday, when the wires were open. Mr. Rhodas; That; is what Mr. Stephens •ays- Is not that a remarkable thing in a message of such importance that there should be no directions- or no effort to send the message as soon as the wires opened? Dr, J:uue- son having left on the Sunday, really, as far as the message goes, it was hope- leas to expect to catch him, because he was riding 80 miles a day. It was practically im- possible to catoh him. The only way I could have caught him was to send round by Pretoria as the High Commissioner did. The High Oommitteioner, however, did not ask me to supplement his message. .What opportunity had the High Commis- sioner of asking you to supplement that mes- sage. Did you see the High Commwsto.i« cn £ eA7' 30th ?—No; I stopped at my PREFERRED TO REMAIN AT HIS HOUSE. T ^V0* ^gFed ^,2° ^to I*6 town?— I could do nothing at that moment, and I Preferred to remain at my hous^ TVJ 311 think the whole matter over. th?uL0K n0t receive the official requests from thLk eo rm3SIOMr to *° in?—I don't I3K" i?^?30u2} read 4he oommunica- RW?^Sir.Graham Bower sent to Mr. hun of tbe "riew taken by Mr. CWberiam on the raid and also the -WW He then asked, on th-m a]-i various solicitations to you WW rvt T ycm no* take any measures to Jameson to return?" if u?°dTi.: 7116 « a very «lear one, counfcTJr- The suggestion made by .Mr. Schriener Wa6 ridiculous. The only n ? caught him was the way the fiign Commissioner did, viz., by sending rourd by Pretoria, and the High Commissioner did r.ot aek me to supplement his message. In reply to a further question, Mr. Rhodes said he did not leave his house at the time of the raid, or until he resigned. Sir William Harcourt: But you went to a Cabinet meeting? Witness: The Cabinet came to me. "T You sent the messages to tine South Africa Company in London for hvodays. from December 29 to January 3. Witness: I believe not. Mr. Pember: The cables were blocked by Government messages. Sir W. Harcourt: Thanks for that suggestion. How, then, were you able on December 30 to wire the whole of the Johannesburg letter to the "Tones" ? Witness: I did not see that anything was to be gained by telegraphing to the South Africa Company in London. Wae the event so unimportant, although the man who led the raid was the Administrator of Rhodesia?—Quite so. Perhaps I was wrong, but it did not strike me at the time. AFFECTING THIRD PARTIES. Did yoru make no communication to any person in London in reference to these pre- parations, and to the promotion of the insur- rection at Johannesburg?—I have made com- munications on the question, but I consider that comes within the range of questions thai affect third parties. Sir W. Harooort: You were the principal agent of the Chartered Company in South Africa, using their name, their money, and their men. Did you not make any oommu- nication to them as to the use being made of their name, money, and men in promoting an insurrection? Witness: I made no communication to the Chartered Company in London. Sir W. Harcourt: Or to any of its directors? —I communicated with my agent in London but not with the directors. Sir Wm. Harcourt proceeded to ask the same question with regard to the Duke of Fife, the Duko of Aberoorn, and other directors seriatim, bu-t Mr. Rhodes simply declared: "1 have made my reply." Either directly or indirectly?—I hav. said I had no communications with them, but you had better ask them themselves. I suppose a witness is entitled to make a reply in the language he thinks right and profper Who was the agent in London with whom you did communicate ?—Dr. Harris. Did you tell him substantially what you doing ?—He knew what was occurring Was any information communicated on the subject to Mr. Rochefort Maguire? -I don't know what Dr. Harris may have said to Mr. Maguire. CONFTDfENTIAL TELEGRAMS. In reply to a question, witness declined to assent to the production of certain telegrams which he regarded as confidential. Wu it in your capacity as a Privy Coun- j r that you exercised what you have described' as your right to mass troops with a view to insurrection ?—No. Wall it in your capacity as Prima Minister of the Cape that you claimed the right tjo make the preparations you did make for an insnrrec- tion in Johannesburg, and for its support by an armed force?—No. Was it in your capacity all manager tof the South Africa Company?—No. But as a private individual?—I thought I was doing the best in the interests of South Africa. How had you, as a private individual, apart from ytour position as manager for the South Africa Company, any such right?—Quite true. Sir W. Harcourt: What right had you to do this thing? Witness: In justice to myself, you must re- member that for years I had helped them | when they had no funds-the whole Matabele War, for instance. A SENSATIONAL ANSWER. Sir W. Harcourt: But what right had the Chartered Company to apply *heir resources to what was equivalent to making war upon a friendly State? Mr. Rhodes (after some hesitation): The best answer I can give you is that I cannot defend it. That's all. After a few interrogations as to the con- cessrone'account, Sir William passed on to the subject of the "Times" telegram, "a telegram," said the questioner, "whioh you used to influence the people of Johanneaburg. Those who sent that massacre supporting imnnediate( action, must have known what they were doing—that you were preparing an insurrection and inva- sion. That is the impression thait naturally! arises." Mr. Chamberlain: No. I don't think «o. The telegram does not refer, as I understand it, to invasion, but to the insurrection at Johannesburg. Sir W. Harooort: Weill, I will confine it to that. Mr. Rhodes: Well, that is just the difficulty. There is a case in point: and I do not think I had direct communication with that paper. You say the "Times" ha* telegraphed to you. —I think that waa about the eable, if I re- member rightly. At this stage the Committee again adjourned, Sir William Hanoonirt's cross-examination having closed.
HR. RHODES AGAIN UNDER EXAMINATION.
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HR. RHODES AGAIN UNDER EXAMINATION. The Select Committee re-assembled on Tues- day at Westminster-hall. The Committee did not take their seats until twenty-five minutes past twelve, when Mr. Rhodes at once re-called and interrogated by Sir H. Campbell Bannennan. He stated, in reply to questions, that he could not remember having communicated to anyone else than to his agent, Dr. Rutherford Harris, with reference to the proposed insurrection, even after Dr. Harris had left England in November. He did not allow Sir Hercules Robinson to suppose that the expectation of his visit as Governor was an inducement to the people at Johannesbuig to take up umel against the Government of the Transvaal. Sir Hercules Rohiison did not know that his going was promised to them, or made a condition of any action on their part?—No. He did not know that I was in communication with the people there. I objected to the pro-, posed proclamation on the day proposed, partly because it would make Dr. Jameson an outlaw, and partly because any advice on that matter should have come from me as Prime Minister, and not from the Attorney-General, Mr. Schredner. But Mr. Schreiner acted on behalf of the Cabinet?—I don't think there was a Cabinet meeting on the question. I was the head of the Cabinet. The only difference, so far as I can see, between the Cretan caae and that of the Transvaal is that the Cretans, who have poipular sympathy in England, were foreigners claiming their civil rights, whereas in the Transvaal it was a case of our own countrymen seeking their civil rights. Interrogated next by Mr. J. Ellia with reference to the eventualities with which the forces were placed at Pitsani, witness said: I thought there might be a rising, but I also thought that they might refuse to pay their taxes, and that it might be a bloodless revolution. That waa why I was so anxious the Governor should go. as I thought he might then interpose between the people of Johannes- bvrg and Kruger, so as to secure for them their civil rights. Mr. Ellis: Dr. Jameson was put in command of this force, without any preoise instructions, merely having your general views in his mind ? Mr. Rhodes: Yes. I gather you did not communicate to your colleagues in the Cape Cabinet any of these views?—Well, it was a great responsibility; if I had taken my colleagues into my confi- dence thoy could have given me no assistance, and they would have had to share the responsi- bility in case of failure. MR RHODE'S NEVER GOES NEAR THE PRESS. Did you communicate anything to the press? —No, I never go near the press. Did you communicate to the Colonial Secretary or to anyone in the Colonial Office these views of yours?—No, only to my agent in London.. During the whole time?—Yes. You put in vour statement that Dr. Jame- son went in without your authority; do you put that as a statement of fact. or as an m-I ference?—It is a very difficult position, but I take the reeuonsibility of it. As an actual fact as to how Dr. Jameson went in I would rather you took that from him. I did not give him anv instructions. Do you draw any distinction between an ovcTt act and preparations for possible eventuali- overt act and preparations for possible eventuali- ties?—Yes; you may be prepared for eventuali- ties and yet do nothing, whereas, on the other f. f hand. there is fact. That Í8, however, a question upon which the lawyers cap best advise, I tfeink it is a legal point. Mr. Ellis continued his cross-examination by referring to certain evidence in the Cape Blue Book given by the Hon. W- P. Schreiner, in which the witness, when before the South African Select Commissioners, detailed certain conversations with Mr, Rhodes at the end of December. Mr. Pember intemosed by remarking that there was some confusion of dates, to which Mr. Ellis rdtorted, "I must appeal to the chair- man. Counsel are here upon terma and must observe the conditions." Mr. Ellis then pressed Mr. Rhodes as to why in his oonvareaition with Mr. Schreiner he had not communicated the fact of his having, as Mr. Rhodes alleged, intended to despatch an important message recalling Dc. Jameson if he had not found the wires previously cut. Witness repeated his previous answer, "I told none of my oolleagues." Mr. Ellis: Why did you send for Sir Graham Bower?—I sent for him because it was an Im- iperial end not a Colonial question. Telegrams had arrived from Dr. Jameson on the Sunday mcromg. I sent for Sir Graham Bower in the evening and at eleven o'clock on the Sunday night I disoovered with him the information in my possession. Mr. EIIMS • Information which you had when Mr. Schreiner was with you? In replying to questions by Mr. Buxton the witness said, with reference to the agitation at Johannesburg, "You must remember that these things will go on until popular rights are given, and some High Commissioner will have to take part in settling it." Were you actually subsidising or assisting the agitation before the autumn of 1335?—No; but I had been considering the state of matters for years, recognising that it was impossible for a. small minority of about 20,000 male burghers to rule permanently a new population of aJbout 80,000, which latter would double and treble. I was anxious to see an African union brought about. The Transvaal charges on the mining industry eame to about 6s- per ton, which, rendered the poor reefs non-payable, and that caused much dissatisfaction among the capitalists. They were determined to have a ohange, and that change must come. I repeat, it must come. Reverting to the case of Crete, and the doubt sometimes as to what formed constitutional and unconstitutional agitation, the witness added, "If I go to Crete and give arms to the people there am I to be imprisoned for it?" And so in the case cf Armenia. In reply to Mr. Blake, witness said that the people at Johannesburg had a feeling which was, perhaps, peculiar to our race, that they must have a share in the government when they paid iwisb of the taxes. The feeling of discon- tent arising from the intolerable state of affairs was most prevalent among the capitalists, and those connected with the mines, and also existed among other classes. For illustration of this point reference was made to certain letters which. had passed between Mr. Beit and Mir. Lionel Phillips. Mr. Cohen, W-> eaid that some important passages hid been omitted from some of these fetters by the Transvaal Government when they were printed. After some discussion, it was agreed that the letters should be sub- mitted in their entirety to the chairman of the Committee, who would decide what portions of the letters were upon purely private affairs, and what should be furnished to the Com- mittee, as be&ring upon the inquiry. Witness added that, whilst commercial men and capita- lists who were engaged in money-making all their lives, mig'nt not oare so much for political rights, working men and ordinary citizens took a diSerent view. Further interrogated by Mr. Blake, witness said that in 1884- some of the capitalists or others told him that they were getting in a.s many arms as possible,. but that it was a slow busi- ness. It was owing to hopelessness, and, in despair of gettmg the necessary change constitutionally: J*™1 and- m last resort, to fight for their rights. Did the agitators not spend some money m elections with a view to improve the Raad or Transvaal parliament In the mteresta of the Uitlanders?—Yes- But one telegram says that spending money on elections has been made a oriminal offence- Mr Rhodes, P*0*in ohair, laugh- inglv exclaimed, Yes, it is very amusing." Has anv progress been made 1D reforming the Rand'—Well, I w^9 told that one or two men whom our friends had returned and done their best for became even worse than the other Boers as soon aa J elected. (Laughter.) Manv of those ^rh2Tt^)k Pa £ ?n the agitation acted through tbe National Union, which they formed and got up petitions and interviews to the President, but the proomlles made in reply wore not fulfilled- I have been told that I let Johannesburg in for this business, but when I look at all the letters and telegrams I come to the, opnclusiort thajfc it was rather Johannesburg that let me in. (A la-ugh.) Mr Blake quoted from evidence in the Cape Blue Book as to the Johannesburg people being in "J^te of despair," ana having "resolvod to seek a change in the state of affairs. What date dIO you fix for that despair and FO £ Olv6 1, Mr. Rhodes: I should fiay about the middle of lt95. Mr. Blake called attention to a reported con- versation which took place with Maj or "Bobby" White on April 12 (Page 7 of the Transvaal Green Book). Mr. Rhodes: One speaks more freely m pri- vate than in public. We were discussing Uganda and the Egyptian question, and when we got to the subject of the vacillation of Governments I said: If the English Govern- ment has made up its mind it should stop any foreign Power coming between Khartoum and Uganda." Major White said: "We had no instructions." I replied: "Of course not, but you must not think it was the policy of the Government that you should be on your backs and eat three meals a day. You ought to go up the Nile and make it impossible for the French to go across." I did not know Major White would apply that to something elae. Mr. Blake: No, it is always dangerous to make these general observations; they were not intended to have any local or topical application. Mr. Rhodes: No; we were discussing one of the subjects of the world. Mr. Blake pointed out that Major White had added the words verb sap," and aeked, fou might have made general observations to Dr. Jameson, and he might have ended it with the words 'verb eap,' too?" Mr. Rhodes: I might have done it; shows you ought to be very careful about what you ny. (Laughter.) Further cross-examined by Mr. Blake wit- ness said: Major White and other officers had been sent into Johannesburg in April to make military observations. In that matter Dr. Jameson would be using his own discretion. DA Jameson probably had some discussion with witness prior to April 11, ajid the date of Major White's presence in Johannesburg being now ^called to mind he (Mr. Rhodes) thought the despair and resolve must have been before April. Mr. Blake: And vtm resolved to be pre- pared for eventualities? Mr. Rhodes: Yes. Mr. Blake: Did yiou oome to a determina- tion to have a way found without consultation with any of the Johannesburg people, or had you had a prior conversation with them? Mr. Rhodes: I had talked to a great many of those who subsequently became leaders. You must remember this, that everyone going home from Johannesburg passed through Cape Town. and it was very usual for them to come up and see me and ohat over the whole situa- tion. This went on from month to month, so I was very fully informed about the state of things in Johannesburg. Mr. Blake: It is one thing to know and another thing to take part, and I want to know whether you had come to a determination with- out consultation or with the concert of men in Johannesburg? Mr. Rhodes: With dancert. Mr. Blake: Then as early as April you were in conoGrt with men in Johannesburg, and that the subject waa a rising, and you gave it your support ? Mr. Rhodes: I had discussed eventualities, and had come to the conclusion that all chance of obtaining redress of grievances by what is termed a constitutional movement was at an end. Mr. Blake: And that something else should be done? Mr. Rhodes: Quite so. Mr. Blake: A change of Government? Mr. Rhodes: Yes. Mr. Blake: Did you tell them that in certain, eventualities you would give them a hand? Mr. Rhodes (smiling): Certainly. Mr. Blake. And it was in furtherance of that statement Dr. Jameson sent into Johannesburg in April to see how the situation was? Mr. Rhodes: Yes. Witness added that one of the objects of Cclonel Rhodes going to Johannesburg was to assist in certain eventualities, and to represent his (witness's) views, but the initiative was taken by the leaders t\.t Johannesburg. What answers were made to the inquiry which the De Beers Diamond Company said they would make at Kiwberley at the time the Lon- don office of that company denied on January 29. 1896, that they had any knowledge of the raid?—I am quite sure t*he directors at Kim- berley knew nothing about it. That was not one of the matters whioh would be mentioned to the local directors?—I was the life of the De Beers Company. Witness had occasion, in rerplv to further questions by Mr. Blake, to refer to the Matabele War, and added, with a smile, "Fortunately for you. you have not had to pay for it." FURTHER EXAMINATION ADJOURNED After rome further questions by Mr. Blake, the further e^mination of Mr. Rhodes was adjourned to B%Bay. Mr. Pope, <yc. asked what witness the Committee proposed to examine next, and said that, if the remainder of Mr. Rhodes's examina- tion did not occupy the whole of Friday, He might ask leave to re-examine the witness if there was anything to examine him about. The Chairman t-aid that the Committee pro- posed, after Mr. Rhodes, to examine Sir Graham Bower and Air. Newton. The Committee then adjourned at three o'clock until Friday. r The Prince of Wales remained in the Com- mittee-room during the whole course of the day's proceedings.
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LAND HUNGER IN WALES. POSITION OF THE PEASANT FREEHOLDERS. INTERVENTION OF THE GOVERNMENT ASKED FOR. STATE LOANS DEXANDEDD. In the House of Commons on Tuesday, Mr. LLOYD MORGAN (R., Carmarthen, W.) called attention to the serious effects of the long' period iof agricultural depression so far aa it attoots peasant freeholders in Wales, and moved, "That this House is of opinion that the distressed condition of the peasant and small occupying freeholders in Wales is such as to call for the earliest attention of the Government, and that it is desirable that State loans, subject to a. low rate of interest, should bo granted to such of the said freeholders as purchased their own holdmgs with money bor- rowed on the security of their land, to enable them to redeem existing mortgages, in respect of v/hich a higher rate of interest is payable than suoh freeholders are able to pay in the present state of agriculture." After referring to the statements in the report of the Royal Commission on Welsh Agriculture in order to show the depressed condition of the class referred to, the honourable member stated that his motion was rounded on the recommendation of the Commission, and was intended to apply to Wales a policy whioh had already been adopted in Ireland. He did not intend that any burthen should be cast upon the taxpayers. All he desired was that money should DO advanced ion adequate security at the lowest possible rate of interest. The cause of the depressed con- dition of the class to which his motion referred was the land hunger which prevailed in Wales that led to excessive prices being paid for holdings. Mr REES DAVIES (R., Pembrokeshire) seconded the resolution, and (observed that small oceupiers in Wales had been induced in pros- perous times to give for their land prices greatly in excess of its economic value, and the result was that they were paying 4- and 5 per cent, on the mortgages, which in many cases were held by trustees, who were unable to make any allowance on account of depressed times. The Commission recommended that State loans should be granted, but that the size iof the farms for the purchase of which they should be I granted should not exoeed 150 acres. He, however, did not agree with the limitation of the principle to farms of 150 acres. Mr. MILBANK (U., Radnor), in a maiden speech, supported the motion. After referring to the recommendations in the report of the Welsh Land Commissioners, he said that in the county he represented the small freeholders were a very hard-working set of men, who at this time were particularly deserving of sym- pathy and support, and he sincerely hoped the Government would be able to come forward with loans at a fair rate of interest, so that these men might still be enabled to live on the land. The members for Wales on botn sides of the House were in absolute unanimity on this question, and the Government would, he hoped, make it possible for the Welsh repre- sentatives to take back to this suffering section of their constituents some crumb of comfort. (Cheers.) Mr. VAUGHAN DAVIES (R,. Cardigan) said the land hunger in Wales was not the only cause of men who had been well-to-do freeholders being reduced to paupers, for the Wekh farmers occupied a peculiar position in not being a.blo to emigrate to Miy Englirfi- speaking country. Ninety-nine per cent. of the farmers for whom he was pleading could not speak the Englirfi language, and, therefore, they were tied to their own land in a way which no other farmers in the Empire were tied. (Hear, hear.) By the Irish Land Aots the farmers of Ireland had been lent money by the Government at 3i per cent, on the security of their farms, and. therefore the Welah members were not asking the Government to make a new departure in policy. What had been done for Ireland could be done for Wales. (Hear, hear.) Mr. W. LONG (President of the Board of Agriculture) was sure that no one sympathised more than the Government did) with the condi- tion in which the agriculturists in many parts of Wales found themselves, and he had no doubt that small occupiers had suffered more from the depression in agriculture than other classes. But the recommendation now made was not, as m the case of Ireland, that State money should be lent at a (low rate of interest to enable occa- piers to become owners, but that the advance should be made to enable burdened owners to pay off mortgages which it was admitted they contracted with their eyes open, giving much larger prices than the properties were worth. It the Government found themselves in a posi- tion to accept the proposal there would inevi- tably be demands from all parts of the kingdom that the limitation of it to Wain ihouTd be removed. (Hear, hear.) He admitted that in Wales there was a strong desire by those who were on the land to remain among their native surroundings; but with regard to the small freeholders of England there was as much attachment to their homes as would be found in other parts of the kingdom. He submitted that to deal with the matter in the manner indicated by lending money to discharge or transfer their mortgages was not a plan that could be recom- mended as a. sound one. It waa certainly not one that the State would be wise to undertake, and it was not one that it would be safe to recommend to the House within the lines laid down by the Royal Com- mission. The proposal, if adopted in principle, oould not be confined to Wales. There was abun- dant evidence that every word that had been said that night with regard to Wales could be said with equal truth and force with regard to every freeholder throughout the country. He asked the House to reject the resolution, not because the Government had no sympathy with those who were suffering from the depres- sion of agriculture, but because it would be im- possible to limit the assistance as proposed, because if it were expended it would entail a gigantic liability upon the State, and because it would not leaMm the present burden upon the peasant proprietors in Wales. (Hear, hear.) Mr. BRYN ROBERTS (R., Carnarvonshire, Eifion) pointed out that the motion only applied to such freeholders as had purchased their own holdings. Notice was then taken that 40 members were not present, but a large number of members entered the House and a quorum waa at once made. Mr. BRYN ROBERTS then continued his observations, contending that it was impossible to distinguish between the cases of Ireland and Wales, and that the precedent set in the former was applicable to the latter. General LAURIE (U., Pembroke Boroughs) asked what was to become of their freeholders if they were not all to keep their position. Were they to become tenants? Having advanced money to ooflbld tenants to become owners, it seemed to him that the Government might well make advances to enable freeholders to remain owners. Mr. T. ELLIS (R., Merionethshire) said the President of the Board of Agriculture hardly seemed to realise the position of these Welsh freeholders. They or their predecessora had by their labour turned bare mountain sides into fairly good land. In order to obtain security in their holdings, they had purchased their holdings often at high prices, and with money raised by mortgage. Under these circumstances, the Royal Commissioners had recommended that advances should be made to them under certain limitations. Mr. LONG said that he had argued that it would be impossible to maintain these limita- tions or to draw a distinction between distressed freeholders in England and Wales. Mr. T. ELLIS said that no Royal Commis- sion had reported in favour of advances to English freeholders, nor had they asked for assistance. That distinguished their caM from that of the Welsh freeholders, and he, there- fore. regretted that the Government had met the motion with an absolute negative Mr. TUDOR HOWELL (U., Denbigh Boroughs) sympathised with the position m which the farmers in Wales had been placed in consequence of the agricultural depression, but he must admit that in Parliament one was supposed to represent, not one section, but all sections of the country. It was impossible to say that because a. small freeholder who had mortgaged his land happened to be in Wales he was to be preferred in connection with suoh a scheme to the small freeholder in similar cir- cumstances m England. (Ministerial cheers.) He was afmd the motion would not result in much good. He saw in this resolution an attempt to establish the position that there was something different in the land question in Wales from the land question in England. (Ministenal and Opposition cheers.) Mr. GRIFFITH (R., Anglesea) said that the Welsh members did not wish to oonfine the relief now asked for to Welsh freeholders if English freeholders also desired to receive it. Major WYNDHAM-QUIN (U., Glamor- g&n., supported the motion, which would only aany out the recommendations of the Royal Commission. He regretted that the Government would not accede to it. Mr. J. H. ROBERTS (R., Denbighshire, W.) also supported the motion, which WAS opposed by Mr. STANLEY LEIGHTON (U., Shrop- shire, Oswestry). The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said there was much in tho moticn with which he sympathised, because he desired to maintain the number of small freeholders. But he must point out there was no analogy between that which was asked by this motion and that which lad been done in Ireland. Then, by this motion It was proposed to advance money to pay off mortgages. Now, the Public Works Lean Commissioners had always refused to lend money for such a purpose. It was said that in consequence of the agricultural depression the position of the Welsh freeholders was so bad that they could not maintain their position unless the taxpayers came to their assistance. But if public money was advanced to payoff mortgages in the manner proposed, the tax- payers would find themselves mortgagees of the worst property in the country, while the owners of property on which money could be borrowed on gcod terms would Lever apply to the *.■
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WELSH UNIVERSITY OFFICES. FURTHER SUPPORT FOR CARDIFF. The governors of the Merthyr County School on Friday, by six votes to two, resolved in favour of Cardiff being chosen for the location of the Welsh University offioes. At a. meeting of the Llandyfodwg School Board on Monday, it was decided to sign the memorial in favour of the location of the uni- versity offices at Cardiff.
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TOWN'S MEETING AT SWANSEA. A town's meeting, attended by very few persons, was held at the Town-hall, Swansea, on Friday evening for the purpose of consider- ing the advisability of reviving in the Bill now before Parliament the clause with respect to sanctioning expenditure on offices at Swansea for the Welsh University. The Mayor presided, and moved the formal resolu- tion, which was seconded bv Mr. C. H. Per- kins, and supported by Alderman Tutton and others, and carried unanimously. The Eedwellty District Council on Monday decided to support the claims of Newport. Mr. T. Morgan Owen (one of her Majesty's inspectors of schools) has received a letter from the Princess of Wales promising to forward to the university court a copy of a letter which he (Mr. Morgan Owen) wrote to the "Oswestry Advertizer" pressing the claims of Welshpool aa a aite for the Welsh University offices.
IQUESTION OF SEWERAGE AT IPEMBROKE.
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QUESTION OF SEWERAGE AT PEMBROKE. APPLICATION INJTHE HIGH COURT. In the Queen's Bench Division of the High Court of Justice on Tuesday (before Mr Justice Grantham and Mr. Justice Wright, sitting aa a divisional coujrt), the Soiicitor- General (Sir R. B. Finlay, Q.C., M.P.) said he was instructed, with Air. H. Sutton, to apply, ex parte, on behalf of the Local Government Board, for a rule nisi calling on the mayor and corporation of the borough of Pembroke to show cause why a writ of mandamus should not issue to them directing them to comply with an order of the Local Government Board, made on the 22nd of September, 1894, ordering them to provide a proper system of sewerage for the town. —Mr. Justioe Grantham said the only point was whether or not the offer of December 16 last made by the corporation was sufficient to justify the Local Government Board in staying their hands. Up to that time it was quite clear that the corporation had practi- cally done nothing, and the only doubt seemed to be whether the Local Government Board had not been too lenient.—The Solicitor- General said he had every hope that the cor- poration would do their duty, but, at the same time, the Local Government Board felt that they would not be doing their duty unless they applied for this rule for a mandamus, as without pressure he was afraid nothing would be done.—Mr. Justice Wright: The Local Government Board have power in case of con- tinued default to do the work themselves and charge for it to the local authority.—The Solicitor-General said that was so, but this waa regarded an a less convenient mode, and it required a strong case of default to resort to it.—Mr. Justice Grantham: You have said enough to entitle you to a rule nisi for a mandamus as asked for.
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SWANSEA NURSING INSTITUTE. The annual meeting of the Swansea Nursing Institute, which has become one of the most valuable public institutions in Swansea, was held on Monday evening, the mayor, Coun- cillor Howel Waitkins presiding. Ammgst thoee present were Lady Swansea, Lady Llewelyn, the Hon. Averil Vivian, Mrs- • B. Williams, Mrs. T. D. Griffiths, Mrs. Keid Miss Aubrey, and Miss Dillwyn.—'Th« report stated that there were eeventeen nurses on the staff, and there was* 8™* J in obtaining a supply of thor«u^y ra ed nurses. A district nurse did amongst the poor, and an anonymous donor had promised to bear the expense of a second district nurse. The earnings of nuraM had exceeded those of the P1?" tLIWPI-^ 1& ibeing £ 822 6s. 6d. 7 ,h3^ given £ 500 towards the cost of the tou?e, which had been £ 1,172.—The Mayor moved the adop- tion of the report, saymg that the institute had to the full justified its existence.—Lady Llewelvn seconded, and the resolution was adopted.—Mrs. M- B. Williams proposed and Ladv Swansea seconded the re-election of Sir John Llewelyn. M.P. aa preeidcnt.Mr. J. C. Fowler proposed and Mrs. T. D. Griffiths seconded the vote of thanks to the hon. treasurer (Lady Llewelyn), and the hon. secre- taries, and other resolutions of thanks were paaaed. The institute appears to be on a career of exceeding usefulness in the borough, a fact warmly testified to by thoee present.
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YSTRAD DISTRICT COUNCIL. The annual term of office of some of the members of 4-he Ystaadyfodwg Urban District Council expires in March, and the retiring members for Wards No. 1 and 2 a.re:—Alderman W. Morgan, J.P., Tynewydd, and the Rev. W. Lewis, R.D., vicar, Pentre, respectively. It is very doubtful whether there is any opposition to be offered to the former, as he is very popular amongst all classes, and has proved himself to be a worthy representative of the ward. But rumour has it that there is a, section of the electors anxious to oppose the genial alderman. The gentleman who is men- tioned a3 a probable candidate i3 Mr. A. J. Treharne. Ynysyfeo Farm, Penyrenglyn, but nothing has been done, and it seems verv un- likely that there will be a contest. In Ward No. 2 there is a burning desire amongst the Non- conformist electors that the election of the Rev. W. Lewis should be opposed. The rev. gentle- man, however, intends retiring at the end of his term, and will not seek re-election, and Mr. W. Dwight, Gel/ii Collieries, is mentioned as a probable candidate.
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I CARDIFF IMPROVEMENTS. THE FOUR ELMS-LANE PROPERTY. ARBITRATION PROCEEDINGS- An arbitration case between the Marqx2eO of Bute and the Corporation of Cardiff, wish to acquire compulsorily pieces of land in Four Elms-lane and Piercefield-place, Roarth* containing in all 2,181 square yards, from hi' lordsthip for the purpose of street improvements? was heard at the Crown Court, Town-hall* Cardiff, on Tuesday. The arbitrators were Mr- W. G. Rees (Newport} for the Marquess 0 Bute, and Mr. William Sturge (Bristol) i°T the Cardiff Corporation, and the umpire Mr. Ralph Cluttoci (London). The oounø- engaged were Messrs. J. W. Benson and TrevoB Lewis for the marquess, and Messrs. B. Fr*&' cig Williams, Q.C., and C. J. Jackson for tb* corporation. The property in question front* on Newport-road and Four Elms-lane, and wa* leased, together with a portion of the land the opposite side of Newport-road, to Mr. Bradley by the late Marquess of Bute for • term of 99 years from May 1, 1824, »t tb* annual ground rent of £ 6, the reversion bei»? the property of the present marquess. This a the same portion of land regarding which ceedingB took place a/t the recent assizes, so as Mr. Bradley's interests were concerned. comprises a triangular piece of land. having ar«a of 1,678 square yards, with a frontage Newport-road of 245ft. and to Four of 240ft.; a rectangular piece having a to Newport-road of 40ft. by a depth of 104ft., and oonrtaining 432 square yards; a strip betrween 2ft. and 3ft. wide along Elms-lane, containing about 71 square yards- Mr. E. W. M. Corbett, on behalf of marquess, stated that, according to his v tion, the reversionary interest was worth 9s. Id. The property was in such a pos^o that it had a great prospective value, the P\t baoility being that it would in the oourse time become a. commercial street in the saf1 manner *5 Queen-street, Castle-road, &c- Mr. D. T. Alexander expressed his opu1* that tho value was £ 4,878 4a. 5d. He thought that the property would iiicreS<* greatly in value, but admitted in cross-exa tion that property in Newport-road was 6wp at present worth so much as it had been. arose from the fact that Cathedral-road £ other parts were at present in greater fat*S for residential purposes. The street, howe^ was a main thoroughfare, and in his opi"3^ offered every advantage for the construction business premises. ,tj Mr. S. Rooney Btated that he had valued interest at £ 4,351 7s. He fcSiS? d"d»r £ 4M180^d Mr. J. E. Gunn, auction* valu#' gave evidence for the corporation, said that* £ had lived for a number of years in NeWp^J road. The houses in Newport-road were of 1 value than they were ten or fifteen JB when the street was the leading 1651 fLs* street of the town. He did not think the had much of a commercial prospect oWlp £ ]1* the fact that the trade which would natui^jj have been earned on these had been to other streets—Clifton-street, Albany-road, Broadway, Carlisle-street. He hid valued the land in question, opinion was that the reversionary interest worth £ 689 19s. There was no oomp^^j between the development of Queen-street that of Newport-road1. The Taff Vale Ra^jr and the Rhymney Railway were chietiy r sible for the development of Queen sticet. tbc-io street being the line of traffic between 111 railway stations and the centre of the tottj#- cross-examination Mr. Gunn said that be that shop property in Clifton-street would # of a greater value than sttop property similar area in Newport-road.. ]|i Mr. Edwin Seward, architect, said did not think that Newport-road had » f pective incrdaee of value. It was certa*g# declining in value as residential property- had tried some short time since to let pr°Kpifc declining in value as residential property- had tried some short time since to let pr°Kpifc in LongcrosB-terrace. Newport-road, for 04 but waa unable to let it. His valuation same as that of Mr. Gunn, £ 689 19s. In c\gttf examination, Mr. Seward said that the c^1'^ of the ground landlord, and also °!t,(oTe adjoining neighbours, had been secured p he made the attempt to let the property Lonipoross-terrace for shops. 1 Mr. William Graham, surveyor, Newport;fijd lis valuation was £ 689 8s. He eons'^of* that th« property would depreciate still than it had during the past few years. Mr. Wm. Harpnr, the borough engineer. that, thp increase of building in the Ro&th^- Park Wards had not tended to m^ke road a greater thoroughfare. The traffic the Park district went via Albany-road Richmond-road or Castle-road to the c*Zg& °f the town, whilst the traffic from the serving Clifton-street and other streets ff;o along the line of the Spotlands tramway* valuation for the ground in questiin wa6 p —In cross erranairvation Mr. Harpur said had given evidence on behalf of Mr. Carr in arbitration with the Great Railway Company, in connection with required for the extensions of the Cardiff This land he bad valued at 5s. per snue and he considered that the land at Four lane was not worth more than Is. per rquae in comparison with that. This concluded tho evidence. 5 The artntrators and the umpire will J°7Z ffi* London to discuss the evidence on a yet fixed.
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'1 J RADNORSHIRE POLICE INQVZO We are authoritatively informed result of the recent inquiry held at by Sir Richard Harrington is entirely io 1 "p"* of Captain Parry and against the poli*$| Home Secretary has therefore declined, present at least, to sanction the usual ment grant. If this is persisted in, th« will be at a loss of about £ 800. The. constable has not resigned, but has pl«^T cf^ self in the hands of the standing cPf., ;i mittee. A special urgent meeting of tn ftp mittee has been called for Friday next eider the matter. I go.
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A. DEAN FOREST SUIClD^v^^ Mr. M. F. Carter, the Forest of Dean has received notice of the dearth evening of a oollier of Upper Lydbrook, & Hubert John George. About a, his wife came into possession of a con«"r fortune, and this had so much effe* deceased that ho gave up work and 0™ drinking very heavuv. He had been oUv_p Y^p on Sunday, and on reaching home at was in a dazed condition. He know where lus old p*t clothes were, was going to drown himself, and wcu1 was going to drown himself, and wcu1 not spoil his "Sunday best." He his clothes and left the house, and £ ^4* was afterwards recovered from the Y Mill Pond.
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TOWN-CLERKSHIP OF The Llanelly Borough Council hours on Tuesday going through tn JJI TOWN-CLERKSHIP OF J..LA2f:ø: 0 The Llanelly Borough Council hours on Tuesday going through tn JJI applicants for the vacant clerkship* jt»W> J end Mr. Henry W. Spowart, Llanew^'jV I R. Fenwiok, Tunbridge Wells Mr. J* I Rawtenstall, and Mr. Peregrine ThoJc&Kjjy I port, were selected to appear before I on Fridav at eleven o'clock. The I tion will be made immediately after* y>
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Government.. If the motion were accepted it Government.. If the motion were accepted it wculd be impossible to oonfine its operation to small freeholders in Wales. (Hear, hear.) Tuo Souse then divided, when there were:— For the motion 43 Against 102 Majority. 59 ihe motion was, therefore, negatilved. LOCAL VOTES IN THE DIVISION. The Press Association at.a.tea that in the division ceveral of tb Welsh Unionist members, including Mr. Milbank, Major Wyndham- Quin, and General Laurie, voted with the Liberals in the minority. Mr. Tudor Howell voted with the majority.