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AFTER LUNCHEON. On the court reassembling, the witness Davies was re-examined by IJr. Glascodine. Were, you in the Gatehouse by arrangement with this young woman ?—No, neither had I a tray for the any. Mr. Vye-Parminter: Who arrived first ?— I did. Mr. Glascodine: And they came in the I' same time?—Yes. You say you were not there by arrangement, with them ?—1 was returning from my day's journey. Referring to whether Mrs. Thomas could hear what passed, was she there when you first eamo in ?—No. She came in another way—not by tne same entrance as I did. We were in one o the public rooms, where other people could also cume in. Mre. Thomas, on entering, said,4* I hope I am not intruding." 1 said, "No. come in.' She came in and stayed there the rest of tbe time. The landlord also came backwards and forwards. Now, did you in that, room do anything about writing tbe letter you mention here No. Had your papers, or the writing you were doing, or the paper you threw in'the fiie doing, or the paper you threw in'the fiie anything to do with that letter'—No, they were not sheets of writing paper, but scraps of paper out of my own pocket. of paper out of my own pocket. Mr, Leygon Your Worships must note that statement. Perhaps you recollect the land- lord said they asked for note paper. Mr. Glascodine: Do you recollect that ? Witness 1 asked for pen and ink, but not for papsr. \v as auy paper brought ?—I didn't use it if it was. The Stipendiary And all you wrote re- ferred te calculations ?—Yes, and a couple of addresses. That is all. Nothing was written in reference te the child?—No. How do vou account for the young women coining m?—itey must have seeu me. It m!11 au. open r. auway and I was doubtful whether they liad seen tne or not. W hen had you seen either of them before ? —A week, or perhaps two weeks, before. But I may say they stopped me several times in town. In act, I complained to the police about their continually stopping me. Mr. ( lascodice: You did afterwards pet some tins for her and a pair of scales ?—-Yes. Did you do that on the authority of Mr. Richards ?—No. He didn t know about tt. Mr. Leyton: This was all put in the original examination. The Stipendiary (referring to the "honour I able parent" ^etter): Did you really intend sitting uown aud living quietly under this imputation that you were tbe father of tho I child ?—1 kuew it was not true, sir. Besides, what else could I do ? Didn't you know that it mi^ht be the meuns ) -of fathering this child upon you?-—No, sir. Ii It dici.'t oscnr to you that such a letter might afterwards be strong evidonce against you ?—I deuied it there and tbsp. 16T.id u Of course, you can't mean this 1" ¡ Mr. Glascodine: That i& the caae for the, defendant. ADVOCATES' ADDRESSES. Mr. Leyson; I ciairn the right to address you. The Stipendiary: 1 don't think there is anv I right, but we should be willing to hear a summary of the case on both sides. ¡ Mh. GLASCODINE WINDS UP. ¡ Mr. Glascodine, in addressing their Wor- ships for the defence, said that as far as the tale ef the plaintiff was concerned, they would have to look at two things—her character and the possibility of her tile. With regard to her character, thev had the atmosphere in which she lived and the young woman fcerselt; with regard to her tale, he said, with deference., that asreat deal of contradiction existed in her testimony now and that which she gave before. Plain- tiff had not ecnie before thera with a tiff had not ecnie before thera with a character of anything like purity, aud hor I whole tale bad evidently been affected by un- truth—by very serious aud material contra- dictions of her own testimony. She to!d them of a gentleman in Mr. Itichards's position writing to her in his own handwriting, making appointments with her, and meeting her in broad daylight. She had witnesses to spea to the alleged fact that Mr- Richards to«k her, as she said, up to his own bouse, and i.iieii, after keeping, her thers awhile, sending her bACK INTO THE STREET. j He asked the Bench to say that tue plaintiff's j tale was not tine on the face of it, ;hat it was most extraordinary .end improbab'e, aad j that it was totally untrustworthy, and thoroughly undeserving of eontiJeme. i He hoped it was not necessary for him to go j through the extraordinary discrepancies or j all her witnesses. The one point upon wftich there was apparently any agreement was the sister-in-law's statement* as to the visits oi the alleged plaintiff to the de- feud ant s house tv u-e a week on Thursdays and Saturdays. lint he would also ask their Worships io say that this story, coniiug from the blighted source it did, was j improbable and not. to lie belieTcd. He asked the bench to say that the story altogether fe!! to the ground. The evidence which had been adduced by the prosecution was unreliable Ixicau.fc it came j'ro»i s very t-? in ted source, a suite v! ere i young pardons vim e in a i. d j or ,Ajuiorality — people who, tppr.; y, from the taio told by themsel vca, had no nioa of worsanly feeling. The learned, cc-n: then prccee.ded tv analyse the evideiue iar the defendant. De^liug with «Tirfceo<i that the plaiotiif had endeavoured to ^lace th« paternity of l er children U;JOD j otixr persons, he a.skcd whetuor i it was upon such tarnished evidence j that the character of h.s client w.s to suffer ? I Me ass«-d them to decide also that it. had not I boi-n shown that Davies was the agent 0.. Mr. { Richards, and also to sty that n .c only mast I this case be dismissed for mnt of. oorccbora- i tive evidence, but that there was I ev«rv mason to believe that the evidence fo r: the ccapiainaot WM f*i«e and cntma, and that t'ere ,u no ground •whatever fer he. hcvuig that '.b* the bad L*k«i> «u one Uuot. IP t. ta .a1 i WHIKl'8 MAfeKS? The Stipendiary pointed eut that neither sine bad called the teaa Marks, at whose place of business it had been stated that j lette; 6 for the defendant had been received. r. Leyson It was admitted on behalf of the defendant that letters were sent there, and explanation was given that letters or a sporting tendency only were forwarded there. The Stipendiary: if anv iiajiortan^e j attaches to that evidence wc are prepared to adjocrn for the purpose of hearing what Marks ha.s to say. Mr. Glascodine Marks is in court. The Stipendiary Very well, I will call him ex authoritoAe nostri. I MORS EVTr.^SCB. ■ The man Marks, who is a newsagent, was then sworn and questioned by the learned Stipendiary. He said he was a tenant of the defendant's. He had had numbers of letters I aud telegrams for Mr. Richards. They always came by post. When Mr. Richards came for his morning paper they were handed to him. He could not say what the letters were. He knew nothing further bearing on that case. He understood that the telegrams he received for Mr. Richards were sporting telegrams. SPEECH FOR THE PLAINTIFF. Mr. Leyson proceeded to address the Beuch for the plaintiff. He claimed that the evi- dence just given by the witness Marks was a corroboration of what the plaintiff said as to the letters that she sent through Marks to Mr. Richards and he pointed out that, according to the defendant'sevidence, he had been blackmailed and had taken detec- tives into his confidence, and yet his wife knew nothing about the matter, As for Davies he excelled himself, having arranged at the Gatehouse that plaintiff should write this not true" letter, and that ke should become a sort of sponsor to the child. What Davies did was to get the girllD the belief that Mr. Richards was going to settle the matter, to say nothing bat oniy to write the not true epistle, and to dub him the honourable father—the first time probably that such an adjective had been allied to Daviess name. (Laughter.) If they looked at the way Richards gave his evidence, he did not think he weuld be exceeding his limits in saying that the statement he made for his reasons in not seeping these letters was the most extraordinary for a merchant that ever was told in this court. Whatever clashing there might be in the verbal portion of the Gatehouse evidence, yet they were bound to come to a conclusion in plaintiffs favour. He asked them-to aay there was such a corroboration of the girl's atory aa entiMed. him to ask for an order in her favour.

LOCA L SIFTINGS. .+- The Swansea Ccroner has received notifica- tion of the death of a thrsc-month-old infant, named Lilly Roe, whose parents live on Clyne Common. The child died-at 6 a.m. on Sunday evening in its father's arms. The deceased had not been seen bv a medical practitioner. An inquest will be hdd this evening at the Currant Tree Publie-i o jse. I The youth aud beauty of Swansea have the j dancing fever on them again. Yet another class of a select stamp is being formed, this one being under the cure of Messrs. J. McCuteheon, 23, High-street, and Mr. Butt, Ba.nk Hotel, Wiud-street. It is to meet at the Minor Drill Hail CD Moudav and Thursday evenings commencing Govern bcrj 5th. i When W. Richards, one of the Clayton I threequarters. retired from play in 'the Swansea Seconds v. Claytcn match on Saturday, through receiving an injury to his I shoulder, Sir John T. D. Llewelyn, who was I in the Cricket Field, immediately went, with his usual kindness of heart, to see what aid j he could render the injured player. It is I such things as these which indicate the depth of good feeiiug possessed by the baronet! of Penllergaer. I This week Mr. Stoll has arranged for his I Swansea patrons at the Empire a most varied performance, an attractive item of which is Mdlle. Ellen with her troupe of performing II cockatoos, while special mention may be made of Marvelle. with his comic equestrian won- ders. Other artistes whose "turns"' should i make a. good evening's entertainment are the Four Gartos. tbe monarchs of music; Fannv Robina, Charles Vincent, the livelv Lupino Brothers, and Marjory Glen, serio corned v j artiste and dancer. f Disgusted Member' oi the Swansea branch of thti Shop Asristaots' L aloft, writing with re'irence toO the meeting at which a successor to Mr. Geddes WitS nominated, states that the < vice-chairman, Mr Roberts, expected to re- ceive the position, and proceeds to explain that there is nothing in tbe rules which gives j the viee-chairiii::D priority. Further, he says, j the meeting remembered that Sir. Roberts bad always r.aked that somebody more cotnpe- ten.. should la-he 1113 place. It is stated that un-p'ato manufacturers in South Wales have advanced a o;tep beyond the position which they too1: up last week, whon they cabled messages to Auerica offer- ing employment to Weiah tio-pLsicrs who e.re to return homo from Lbe States. Thev are now prepared to pay the passa^n for such as am iac'-ir.tvu to come b!c: On behalf of the :1IOV8:i*UI. it is reported that tho ouer cavie j jointly by tbe workmen and employers of j Sostb Waled to their brethren in America j hfoA been weil received, asd th#.i it is gaining ground en both sides of the ° big pond." An "All White "writes:—"I think it oulv I fair to tbosn cono«me4 and tbe publi; at] largo fch*t your rrp- rt of the Carnttaple j .bu;1\d ho corrected in an important) itanw It wa* itot Jacrscn thct scored the) try for Swrrsesx hut Bob ThowM. MeCotckao« aed hornet dribblr/, and f«01 ee tins hnS toysrtiwr, Tfreests Wi» £ n*4*x- ee tins hnS toysrtiwr, Tfreests Wi» £ n*4*x- iwtlk*

HARVEST THANKSGrlVINGr SERVICES. ST! CATHERINE'S. Those servir^s, which were commenced on Thursday last, were continued on Sueditv, when the Rev. G. Roberts, curate of St. Paul's, Plasmarl, and Mr. W. S. R. Jackson, lay reader, of Trinity Churofe,' preached special sermons to crowded congregations; anu the choir, under the leadership of \1.. S. illiams. rendered appropriate anthems and special hymns. ST. JAMES'S. On Thursday and Sunday last harvest thanksgiving serrices were held at St. James's Church. The interior of the br itig had been decorated in marki artistic and tasteful manner flowers, fruits, and vegetables, cr the superintendence of Mrs. Tyi assisted by Airs. Barriss, the Misses lie Smith, liellinghatn, Merry, Daviee, Bro Ffitcu, Fowler, and ethers. On Thurodav 7.30 p.m., the Rev. W. M. Myen, "iu., Swanbourno, preached an eioquent ceri from Job v, 26th verse. At 11 Sunday morning the preacher was tile I J. A. Harriss, curate, who took for his the words of the anthem, The shall the glory of the Lord." Caoeft %itk, I preached in the evening, based his remt upon 2nd Corinthians, 5th chapter, K v<- He dwelli specially upon the thankful? Christian people should feel because the love of < brist manifested them, and exhorted them to renwmber the service in which they were joining the recognition on their part tbat the It" iugs of the harvest were the oatcomicgf God's '.ove, The anthems "T Crownest the Year" (Booth) 'The WilderDt- (0-oss) were si on both occasions by the choir, cmder leader-hip of Mr. Arthur Her, F.C.O.. I splendid style. The musical portion oil service evinced careful and clever training. • The singing of the bass solos by Messrs. G. S. Milnes, and E. Merrells, acd tlie .en or solos by Mr. Gwiiym BvLn, was a feature of the service. Large con-ro- ga.t:ong attended throughout the services, "and the co laetions were in advance of what has been i-ec-eived lor sometime. Ou Thursday they were devoted to the Church Rebuilding F una.

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THE STIPENDIARY CURIOUS. i WHAT SOME GIRLS DO. The Stipendiary (to witness, How can you account for this—that you have never had anything to do with this girl, and that she should come and nialto such an accusation I against you—a man who has never had any- tillDgtodo with her? Witness: I hare-no witnesses, sir. There) was nobody with me at the time. How did she begin the attack upon you?— That is how some girls are, sir-—(Iaugater)— that is all. (Renewed laughter.) How did she begin this conversation— come, tell me ?—-She called me one side and she said, "You have been and put me in a fine state." I asked her whaL s o meant, and she said, "I am in the way, aId you are the father. (Laughter.-) The Stipendiary: Very well. PLAINTIFF'S A LLRGED CONFESSIO NS. Mary Jane JBragg was the next witness called. She said she knew the plaintiff, and had a conversation with her about the pater- nity of the child. She met her one Saturday morning in Oxford-street, and she told I her that the father of the child wa.s a gentleman living in Walter-road, and that he had given her &20. The child was six weeks old then. Sir. Levson proceeded to croM-examine the witness. What are vou ?—A general servant. Where do you live?-—In the Boar's Head now. How long have you been there ?—-I have been buck there for three weeks. Is it sincc you first ventured some of this information that jou have got to the Boar's Head ?—Yes. Have you ever been in trouble yourself ?— I have not come down on that ense at all. (Laughter.) I have not come down to answer that at all! (emphatically). Did you speak to a. girl named Sarah Anne Evans about this case ?—Yes, sir. Did IOU tell her that if she went down to ,}' Mr. Tvichards and said something about this airl she would get £2 "-1\0, I did not. oJ What did you say. then -—I did not say anything of the sort. J only went up and asked her to go down and tee j 3:r. Richards. Why ?—Because Bhe was living at ths house the same time, and she said that it Mr. Richards wanted her she would go down. Were you very anxious to get up a case against this girl ?—No. Why were you taking aueha. lot of trouble, then ?—I was not. Why should you go up to this girl and try and get ber to say something ?—I did not. What did you get her to go down to Mr. Richards for ?—Well (a pause). I Come along, now. don't keep anything I ?—Well, bocause she said that if Mr. Richards wanted her she would go down. Did you tell her not to be a io,i, and that if she went down and said something she would get some money?—No, On your oa1). ?—No I did not. What did you tell her after she came back from Mi. Richards' office ?—I did not see her a!terwards. Now.be carofnl. Will you swear you did not, ? Weli, I met her, LuL we naver spoke. Who did you first talk to about this ?—Eh (Laughter.) Yes, ell? (Lru^hfcr.) — Yes. (Loud I laughter.) Now, who did you speak tonrst about this ? Nobody, Dut Mr. Richards spoke to me. When was this ?—I think it was on a Mon- day morning. After the first hearing?—No, it was on the Saturday af Ur the first hearing. Where did you meet Mr. David Richards ? II —At the ofiioe. You went to the office?—Yes. What did you require there ?—I was sent for. Although nobody knew what you could say vou weft- sent for i—Yres. Yon were sent for. although you had told nobodv ? — I had told nojo ly anything. ¡ Hew did Mr. Richards know how to put I hia br.ncls upon you ?•—He bad been to ;r.e on the first hearing. How did he know when you had tcld him nothing ? DID NOT LIKE CROSS-EXAMINA- I TION. Witness wr.8 evidently being gre:itly dis- concerted by the rather searching questions 0f Mr. Leyson, and she created roars of laughter by saying that she did not hke being cross-examined. You 1'S.ve had enough, then ? (Laughter.) I have had quiio enough. (Loud laughter.) You don't like my questions so much as you like Mr. Ricimrds's questions ? (Laugh- ter.)_No, 1 don't,. (Laughter.) Jr. is not so nice ?—No. (Laughter.) Jr. is not so nice ?—No. (Laughter.) W'h"n did you first speak to Mr. David Richnrds ?— Nt the first hearing of the CUSP. Before ?—Yes. You had spoken to nobody before that?— No, i had not. I Did he snnd for you?—Yes. He came to my house aud asked no fJtout Mrs. Nicholls. Well, but how did hs know vou i—.Bocause Mrs. Nieholls's husband was staying at cur house before they got married. Then because Mr. Nicholls was staying at vour house before jhe was married, Mr. David Richards came to see you ?•—Yes. Dear me! (Laughter.) "W bat did he sav ? He asked zae if I katm anything aboat Mrs. [ Nicholls. I I Was anyone present when this conversa- tion too place?—My sis-ter. I Did David R chords know you before this? I No, he did r.ot. I hardly fco-ow -110 lx» vs. I jif i out know him. How did he introduce the subject ?—He ssid be was Mr. Richards, of High-street. 1 did not know him even then. Really?—Really? (Laughter.) How did you gradually comc to know where, you were? (Laughter.)—I am very sorry (witness very nervous.) It is very serious, is it not ? (Laughter.)— No, it is uot serioas. (Laughter.) I How did ho introduce himself? Was it something like this (pointing at himself) ?— No, he did not point at all. (Loud laughter.) He asked me if I krsw anything about Mrs. Nicholls. I did not know who he meant by Airs. Nicholls until be said Marv Anne Daiting. Cau you fix the month when this little statement was made to you by Mrs. Nicholls ? —I don't keep 8. dairy." (Laughter.) Perhaps you mean a diary. (Laughter.) I don't know how you pronunce it. (Laughter.) Can you say w he their it was May er not ?— No I could not. It might have been May?—^ can't fix the date. v That's all I have to ask yon ?—Oh, thank you. (Laughter.) ANOTHER TALE. Sarah Jones said she knew the plaintiff, who had told her that the father of the child >ived at Morriston. Cross-examined 1 am not good at dates— (laughter)—but I believe the conversation took piace in the month of May, at the en- trance to Orange-street in the market. I know the plaintiff well. She told me volun- tarily who the father of the child was. Who did you first speak to on this subject? —I told my landlady, Mrs. Owen, 7, St. Mary- street, the very evening Mro. Nicholls told me. You spoke of it next to Mr. Richards J—I believe 1 did there was no necessity to bpcak to anyone elec. I saw him in Mrs. Owen's shop and told him. Mrs. Owens keeps a greengrocery shop, and sells bread and other things. Sarah Lewis, the next witness, said, in reply to Mr. Glascodine, that she knew the plaintiff perfectly well, and had had. a con- versation with her ab )ut the child. Mr. Leyson There was nothing about Sfrs. Lewis said in the cross-examination of plaintiff, so 1 don't see that this is admiasable. Mr, Glascodine: Wait momentmndLwtU look. The Stipendiary decided to admit the evidence. Cross-examination continued I asked her if it was Irue that she baud a baby. She aaids she had. 1 said "18 IT A BLACK BABY?" -(loud taushter)-and she said No." Plaintiff said: -'It is by an o!d sweetheart of mme, who 1 was going with berorc I married the black man who was hvini in your house." She sard ho was on one of the American boats. I can't say whether it was the Mohi- can or the Michigan. Then I tockf d at the baby. (Laughter). Cross-examined by Mr. Leyson: Do you think it was the Mohican or the Michigan ?— lean' say. Thon how did you confuse the names? They ar.' nearly the same namee—there is an n in both. (Laughter). You arc the mother of Mary Ann Bragg ? Yea. Are you a widow?—No, a married woman. I keep a boarding-home for sailors at 111, Strand. When did you begin to take an interest in this ease ?—I caa t. exactly remember. Is it that your memory is so bad that you can't remember this ?-—You please to bear in mind, Mr. Leyson, that. I am getting old, like yourself. (Loud laughter.) Yes, but you see I don't ieel it in the same way as you do !I lived at Llansamlet at one time by a ccrtain lady. (Sensation.) I re- member a good many things, bnt 1 can t remember what you ask. About when did you speak of it?—When the child was nbout, seven weeks old. Iheard an argument OlW night about plaintiff having a child by a diiVerent party in Morriston. To whom did you speak about this first?— To Mr. Griffiths, the detective, in my own honsc. Now we shall get at it, Was it Mr. Griffiths ¡ spoke about it lirst ?—No, nci-exaatly first. I When did he speak to you?—AY hen be gave I me the subpoena. Cannot you recollect who spoke to you about this berm e \ou got the subpœna?- No, I cannot remember. Well, do you remember to whom vOu told this story ?—Yes, I could if I like, but I am not going to sav. WeJJ, but you are here to tcllthe truth. Tell me whom you spoke to first.—1 don't re- member. Bnt vou said just now ycu could tell if you liked ?—Y'es, but I don t remember exactly. Subsequently witness stated thutshe spoke to Mr. Griffiths. PLAINTIFFS CHARACTER. Sarah JaneSainsbury said: 1 was in the company of the complainant .in June, 1893. Mr. and Mrs. Nicholls and Afrs. Daiiing were I in Castle-street, and ageutleman touched ber on her side, and asked her to Worcester- place. Mr. Leyson objected on the ground that at the last hearing there> was no cross- examination on this point. The Bench allowed the objection, and witness, con- tinuum, said she went to Worcestcr-place, aud we followed her. She went into a house with this man. The front door WAS open I when we bot to it. I waited outside half-an- hct,r. h ho did uot come out. Cross-examined by Mr. Loyson. ¡ What are you ?—What am I. ? A servant. Have veu got a place Not at present. 1 left my situation three weeks ago. 1 was at tLe hospital and Dr. Paddon's. Were von ever out with complainant on another occasion ?—No that was the first and the last. Who spoke to you first about this case'— Mr. David Richards. I Have you had s child ?—I am not come here io answer that case. J am come here to answer for Mrs. N icholas case. Did Mr. Davies, the clerk, go to the hospital to see vou about this matter.—1 don't know Mr. Davies. The Stipendiary Where was this house in Worcester-place ?—The first house as you go round by the Post Office. But-why did you waiL there?—The sister- in-law and I stayed there, and people peepod round the eerier, and said they would go and get a policeman. It might have been an ordinary bouse for all you know?—Yres. j Mr. VJe Permintor: Did they make a noise I that tbo peopie said a policeman ought to be I called?—No. They saw tliero go 1AJ together J The Stipendiary: You don L know anvthin:; about the house—for or against it ?—No. It looked to me like an office. There were name; outside on the brass plate. THE DETECTIVES ACCOUNT. Del ctivo Griffiths, sworn, said: I know, the defendant. I remember tern tnaKiag a complaiut. to me Rboai the plaintiff. Mr. Leyson objected to any further evidence; on this point, and the Bench sustaining the objection, witness iettthe box. MR. E. D. DAVIES CAUSES A GREAT I' SILENCE. A great silence fell ucon the audience when the next witness took his place in the wit- ness-box. This w-ns ¡ Mr. Evan Dudley Davies, who is in the employ of delendant's lather. Examined by Sir? Glaseodin >, witness said: I am ti., j' pen-on to whom plaintiff gave the letter iu which sho says that I am the honourable father or parent of her child. She handed it I. to me is the middle of the street, Mr. Glascodine Were you authorised by I Mr. David Richards to communicate with plaintiff on the subject of this ehdd --No. Authorised by him at aJI UsettU with her? I! --No. Is it true that you gave her 10s. on his behalf ?—No. Is it true that. yoo gave her £50 on his I behalf ?—Not true. Is it that yoc ever promised to gi ve her I another sum of £5 on his behalf ?—Not true. Is Yj tro» ,.0.1. en a Saturday evening towards Uie end of last March you had m con- versation with her in tbo street and said yc: wanted to know—or Mr. Riohavds wanted to I jrnow—how moch she required to ss'.tle the matter ?—No. Isittrao tlu'tyon went backwards and for- J' wards from her t*v tho shop to consult Mr. Richards ?—N*« Do you remesnber wkcthor Mr, Richards was is* Swansea at ah! thatday?—I believe he was at that tiree in Liverpool. was ilt Swansea at an thatday?—I believe he was at that tiree in Liverpool. Is it truo that you reqneste<Lrr to write a II letter a^kuowJedg.ng that Mr. lu'hnrds was not thftinlV^rcf '.b» child ?—No. had such alette r. The Stipendiary: l)o you mean you hud, or bad *?"r bW c.i H i; i ter v—J have r«cei*^d » Tb# r*r\nn» i> :ht>rt ?<n.dcd ii.. VfV~V*J .•i 'j 'Ijw «. wr them, pointing out that calL. by post and the other was given him by the plaintiff. Mr. Glascodine: Is it true that you dic- tated a letter iu pencil for her to copy from ? —No. Is it true that you have in any way, at any time, gone as an intermediary between Mr. Richards and this girl?—(Emphatically): Certainly net. I There was a. distinct buzz of exoitcmeut when Leyson rose to cross examine the witness. Mr. Leyson: Was there ft commitment issued against yoa late'y out of county court ?—Yes. Very lately ?—Yes. Your master paid it out for you ?- -I asked I him to pay it out of my commission. I Then you are not in particularly flourishing circumstances ?—Not V ry wealthy. I don't suggest there was any wealth about it.. 1 suggested that there were more com- mitments about it.—One only. Was it a large sum ?—Ne, £11&. And before you could pay a comrni.t. ■ of £116.. you had te get your master it for you ?—I merelv asked him to do it. Bccaase you could not do it ?—No. If you will allow me I will tell you. If I had had time to go into my commission list with my governor, I could have drawn more than enough to pay for it. Tren I may take it that you do not carry much loose eash about you r—No. And if you get commitments for £ 116a., £5 would be an unusual suui for your to have in your pookets.—Yes. Do ou re:nember going up to the Gate- house ?—I remember being in the Gatehouse, Do you remem ber going up there.?—1 didn't go up there; I went down there. Did you go up in a trap ?—-No, I didn t have atfap. How did yoo go up?—I didn't go up. Ii went down. I was in Middle-road. That] would be down into the Gatehouse, not up^. (Laughter.) The Gatehouse is at the end of the trsin ? —Y eg. 40 yards farther on. Did yoa go into the Gatehouse with these girls ?—Yes, almost with them. Did you write anything there ? —Yes. While they were tbere?—Yes. Did Mrs. Thomas, the landlady, see yeu writing ?—1 don't knew. Sbe could have dene so. She might have done so. There was no secret about it. Evans, the landlord, might have seen you write ?—Yes, and anyone else that might, have been there. Whatdidvoo write with—a pencil ?—Yes, until the pencil broke, and then did the rest in pen and ink. What did you write?—We went into cal- culation. She said she was going into business to sell sweets at the market, and also at I Llanelly and Neath, and asKed me what it would be likely to cost her. What iu the shape of calculates did you write down ?—As tothe quantity of sweets she would be likely to require. What did you put down on the paper ?—I cannot remember—the quantity, quality and I sorts. I What did you write down first?—There would be more figures than words. What did you write down first ?—I cannet I remember. Yon seriously suggest that it was calcula- tions about the quantity &»d quality or sweets that ycu were writing eiown ?—Yes. Have you got. any memoranda of the quantity and quality ?—No. The complainant says such a different story that it would be well for you to try to remember these calculations.—Well, there were two addresses given where she could get the tins and scale. One was Mr. Rees in Union-street, and the ether Mr. Page, High- street. Why were the addresses put down ?— Because she wanted to know where she cculd Because she wanted to know where she cculd get the tins. But why did you trouble to go with her to get the bws If you put-the addresses down ? —That w.;s a long tinw afterwards. But she had the addressee still ?—YeR. Well, why should you be troubled with I. putting the addresses down if you were going to get the tins yourself ?—I had coiomissien out of it. Then what was the object of patting these addresses down if you aecompanted her (--1 recommended her to go there to get ibe tins. And you recommended the mal) Bryant to put your namè d ±.7D fcs iiie person buying the settles !Not exactly. Now. do you re nember this latter (handing I up a letter).—No 1 dor, t. 1 saw it at the last hearing of the coi rL You had no explanation to give at the last hearing af> to the ettcrr- No. Did you 'throw v>»>thi^j into the fire at the Gatehou -e, or in,(1 the liie-place ?--Yes, 1 think I did—a t-jw papers that had been written upon, thai s all. Bat you have..<nly told cue of ona paper. What was the c'Jier paper, excepting the abstruse cak-.uiati n as to sweets. (Laughter). —Ail about the sivne thing. All sweets? (L.;« £ hter)—Yes. Weil, sho must juve been going to set up a large shop?—Oh,year no. There were Dot many calculation^ j.ltogether. j .<1 yet they t >ok so mauy papers.—Not many; just a. cor j lo of addresses, and the back might have been cohered cvet with a few figures. You are not iarJr. Richaris's confidence at all ?—No. £ J The moment tfc-.$you got that letter you < showed it to him I —Oh, no, I didn t. I Weil, Mr. Rich,crd3 has sworn upon oath that you did-?— don't think he was home t that day. He savs that y(,:1 showed that to him ?—So I I did, but you sale at tlie very- moment. I lsaul the very ay.—No you dIdn't, I see you are vt y correct, I am obliged to I you. W hen did ou show it ?—In a day or two after. Did you know, at that lime that be was chargcd with be^i' tbe father ?—Yes. Now, you neve., heard Mr. xiichards com- Did you know, at that time that be was chargcd with be1.í_:> the father ?—Yes. Now, you neve., heard Mr. xiichards com- ) plain ■before thisjubout the girl?—Complain about her ? Yes, that is tat 1 said. You heard it well enough.—I" on't understand the ques- tion. J; You mean voa do not see the drift of it. I (Laughter.) Dil Mr. Richards complain of" the girl before .hat three weeks?—I dont know whether 114 dulor not. Was fchcro 3D' Conversion at all about I the child at the Gatehouse r--Ne, I don't think there was. Oh, yet.; it was mentioned j ia this way that sse would have to do some- I thing, because sh i would have to suf port her enild. enild. And vou kn<'1 that she accused Mr. Richards of -g the father ?—She had claimed that soh^ time before. | Do vou set up many people in the sweet {shops?—No. First experien o in that line r—Yes. Didsheexplai where she was going to get! monev to pay foi all these calculations which tc.ok yeu so long o make lip ?—No. i suppose it U es some money to set 1Ip even in 8^ '.e;s. Did she tell 'you wbero was r.oing to get I it from?—I ha-. heard that she had £ 20 coming ,to her i sout that time, I thought it would come ov of that. I Then whai ma- yon "how the first letter to Mr. Rkhards. —Because I thought it was j right he should it. In fact, she asks me in one place to show it. j I tine .»ive« you permission. You have never had anything to do with the girl improperly ? Ycu had never offered her 5». a week ?— No I 1 Not for yours<lf at all events ?—Certainly not. The moment you got that letter you went to Mr. Riahards showed it to him ?—Cer- j tainly not. I ia my poefcet and went! Lome. Wken did you snow it to him ?—Tbe next dav. ■\yhy ? He w«> not interested in it ?—No, I know that. 1 was aft aid that perhaps he n-.i«htthink 1 wa» interested iniu (iAughur.) Yury funny IK1 why uid you show it ?—1 had iiiowed himtlie first ooe, and thought it I was bnly riijht fc- '-honld see tlie second. j I Did you get aV) more letters from her ?— Not of that kiod. Then the oniv wo yoa git you showed tc J Mr. Richards?— £ es. Was there any conversation butweec you and tbe girl betwJeu th* lirst aad the second letter r—Yes; O.ye-^ Wbat about ?—Well, we bought the scales and tins batwee,* i*1" wrivaJ oI the two Wbat about ?—Well, we bought the scales and tins batwee,* "hit wrivaJ ol the two I (•tiers. What eonver3»^0,; took place :—On simply Ivts.iicvs matters. 1 saw at the market li.erai times. ) 11 ihd tost tell Mtf- Bryant there v.x& money cowing to hnrfr-'i Mr. Wuut i m "I -i W.lfnd* I T<"» <•> Mwt* pa% ft the j f thought I conld get the scales from, and I I' told her Parnall's. She went down to pick them out, but they would not give them te her without someone speaking for her. But your story is a little inconsistent, if you say you heard that she had t,23 and yot j you put your name down for ti e s^r.hs r— Well, she told me she baa the nioi:y ■■ oui.n Then you didn't believe the ;2;) business j aud preferred to put vour i.ame down foi. her ? —Yes. I felt sure she would pay for it. The Stipendiary; Are they paid for now ?— 1\0, they are not. Well. I suppose you have not had any I similar experience of this kind about certifi- cates respecting 5s. a week ?—No. What was the object of your treasurirg up that letter so carefully if you knew it did not concern you ?—I did not wish to destroy it. I put it along with the other letter, aud kept the two. Why should you have so carefully treasured this letter which you could not under- s a;id?—I did not treasure it up. I put it way. Vou knew she charged Mr. Richards ?—I :.uew she charged several. Now. do you remember being by the Grand Hotel in High-street ?—Yes. Did you give this girl some money then ?— No. Did you in the presence of a girl, Maggie Lewis, give her some money?—Certainly not. And did you in her presence sav, "I v. ill go and see the boss," and then go back in the direction of the shop ?—No. Was there a 5s. order sent her after she left ?—Not by me; but I believe tbere Whom do you suggest it was sent L'; :By one of the lads in the shop. Did yeu go up to Mrs. DaHiug-, Uu, girl's j mother, and ask her whero her di u;;hter j was ?—I never spoke to her. 1 never saw her mother in my life. Oh! I am wrong. It was the other o's house. Did you go there and a-khe: ej was Mary AnD Dalling?—No. And did you tell her you had come in by ship and you wanted to see her particularly ? —I should like you to tell me who it is you e alluding to. I This one Crointing)- What. is her came ? That does not matter.—Where is the bouse, then ? In Bridge-street.—No, I saw her in the Flint Mill Inn. And I think you deny that you ever saw that letter, and that vou ever touched it or wrote anything in :t, particularly the words is not true ?"' Mr. J. C. Vye-Parminter: Tbe only trans- action you ever had with women or any girls buying sealel and tina is this one ?—Yes, that is sot I should like to say there is no truth in Mr. Leyson's insinuation. Mr: Vye Pari-.inter: Never mind, Mr* Leyson. That ha:> othingto do with you. The court then adjourned for lunch.

END OF THE CASE. DECISION DEFERRED. Mr. Leyson concluded his adress at twenty minutes past three. The silence of a great excitement ensued whiie the Bench conversed awhile together. At length the Stipendiary taid We will give the decision on Thursdav morning. DAVIESS HANDWRITING. Mr. Glascodine handed in the letters which have been made mention of throughout the hearing. The Stipendiary: Is there any writing by j Mr. Navies in your possession ? Mr. Vye-Parminter You said at the last hearing, Mr. Glascodine, that there was sv book here. Mr. Glascodine There was then. We can get you one now, Mr. Leyson My point about that not true" letter is that what Davies did first of all was te imitate the plaintiff's hand- j writing as well as he could, and get her to finish the letter. That would be the one which was taken away with him. Having finished the letter, and see- ing the alteration in it, he got her to write a new one. Otherwise there was no reason for the girl to geaen with the letter I after the alteration was made. I <lon't suggest he wrote it in his ordinary writing, but that he wrote it te appear as muchj as possible like her 8wn handwriting. TME STIPENDIARY DICTATES. At the request of the Stipendiary, Mr. Davies, who had left the court, was again I called back. Taking a seat at the advocates table he wrote at the Stipendiary's ( dictation the following words:—"About the; letter 1 ^ave you fer him on Friday last, as it i is net true, aud I am sorry 1 ever made snch charges." Tins writing was then handed to their Worships. The Stipendiary repeated that the Court's decision would be given on Thursday next. This concluded the dav's proceedings. This concluded the dav's proceedings. OUTSIDE THE COGRT. The utmost excitement prevailed oat-1 side the oourt as the parties interested passed up Wind-et eet. Large crowds stopped to watch them go by. There was no demonstration, however, eitheir for or againt the defendant or the pliiintin.

SWANSEA HARBOUR TRUST. MONTHLY MEETING. | THE CRUSADE AGAINST SECRET COMMITTEES. j "ARIGHTEOUS AND PROPER ONE." The monthly meeting of the Swansea Harbour Trust was held at the Guildhall this (i*opd:«.y) morning. Sir John Joues Jenkins presided. There were preseut, His Worship the Mayor, Messrs. E. R. Daniel, David Harris, E. Striek, J. R. Francis, Bath, J. M. Mavne, James Jones, Tutton, Ccry Yeo, Griffit,h Thomas, Glyn Price. A. Mason, Thomas Eiiord, Walter Lewis and Gl&sbrook. The report was then adopted.' EXECUTIVE COMMITTER. The report of the Executive Committee was as follows Your committee report that thfv n have had under their careful consideration the qnestioii ef providing a better bridge accommodation over the New Cut, and. being advised by their engineer that it is not I desirable te make any outlay en the existing bridge, but that it will be better to construct a new bridge en the north side of the present one, they instructed the engineer te prepare plans of a new bridge and a rough estimate of the cost. Your committee now lay on the table a. plan prepared by the engineer, who estimates the cost, including | 9 the necessary machinery, etc., roughly at £ 30,000, and recommend that application be made to Pail lament in the ensuing session for power to carry out the work, and to borrow tbe necessary capital therefor. The CUAX&UA.N said that the only question arising from tbe report of this committee was that of the bridge. The matter had been re- cerving the attention of the trustees for a very long time, but they h&d no* hitherto! felt themselves in a position te j proceed with it, though they always admitted tbe necessity of better aeeomniodation to the East Dock. The bridge now there was origi- nally intended for very much lighter traffic. and at the time of its cons' ruction it amply met the needs of tbe trade of the e ist side. Since the construction of the dock the traffic had increased euormoaslv. It had been a

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question as "> ii should product the money to construct the. br.d^.e. Thev had tried to get the Corporation to pay tialf.but they said that ina.-uiuch as they were paying £3,750 a year ic the Trust, they should r.ot be called upon to ccn ribute further. After stating a few of the arguments tsed on either side, Sir John said that he had at one time j been of opinion that the Corporation had better pay a lump sum of money instead of a eertain amount yearly, but that be now felt differently on tbe matter,tbe change in his views being te a great extent due to the different position of the Harbour Trust. He was glad to say that nearly all the trustees agreed with him in this matter. Alderman WALTER LTWis seconded. Mr. GJUFF THOMAS said that be rose with diffidence to move that the report be rejec ea aod be did so because the report of the Executive Committee thatwas now presented to the Trust was not complete. Important matters had been settled by the Exeutive Committee of which no mention was njede in the report. What he wished to call special reference to was the agreement be- tween the Rhondda and Swansea Bay Railway Co. and the Harbour Trust, whereby the former had leave to run over the lines of the latter by the Prince of Wales Dock The Harbour Superintendent himself bad said if such were the case the traffic at the Prinee of Wales Dock would be seriously interfered with. He was very anxious to have aU the railway lines that it were possible to get, and he would support say p!M-—— < The CHAIRMAN I must oail you to order, Mr. Thomas. You are out of order. Y on know very well that the position is this. The Rhondda have a right to use the Harbour lines subjeat to lease from the TruBt The Trust have given their approval by a large majority, The agreement made between the Trust and! A tbe Railway Company is being iept to and carried out. 1 did not understand Mr. Law to say that this would seriously interfere with tho trade of the Trust. Mr.trMM Thomas What may I do, then, if I am out of order in moving this ? The CHAIRMAN then entered into a brief explanation of what took place at the Execu- tive Committee meeting at which the agree- ment came up, and said that Mr. Thomas should have pressed the questiou then. Mr. GEIF*. THOMAS; 1 am discussing the report. Tbe CIIAUUTAJF: I rule that you are out or order. J The MATOK 1 regret that I was net present I at the meeting in question, but I think that! by the agreement, made !n the hrst piace tbe 1 Harbour Trust reserve- the right to give- the railway company twelve months' notice to discontinue the use of the lines. Mr. M. TUTTC IF: 15 it uot a fact tbat the understanding has been departed from ? The CnATxx.&N The Zviayor is quite right. An understanding" has bt-en given that if the railway traffic interters in any way with the csal traffic we give up ail right to it. More than that, we bave given our engineer orders to prepare a plan to go before Parliament for the purpose of getting better entries to the station, for there is land to be obtained there. Further than tbat, we Lave had froc two most experienced men at the dock an expression or opinion that it will be quite possible to work the rail- nay traffic without in any way hindering the coal traffic of the Ti ust. Mr. GRIFF. TaoMAS I say that this is not a correct report. Mr. CORY Yao: Surely, Sir John, you do net intend to stifle a quest on in which you stand in such an invidious position ? Mr. GRIFF. THOMAS Wber, can I bring tb. matter on r The Chairman :—Give notice of it. Mr. M. Tl TTGH moved an amend:i.ent to the effect that as the report of the oxecutive committ-e did not refer to important matters whiuti they had discussed, it be sent back. He said that the agreement between the Trust and the railway company as it originally stood had been departed from without the members of tho Tr ust having tho opportunity of clearly stating iheir yiewlS jpoa the matter ID public. Continuing, ihei speaker referred to the recent action taken by tlle Daily Pout with reference to the admissicn of the press to the com- mittees of public,bo:'ies, and said that i! any- tiling justified the attack on the existing sy-tern it was the question that was now being discussed. (Cheers.) It showed that that agitation was a righteous aiui proper one, beers.) ds. things now stood there was often no opportunity of bringing j matters up at the public n or-tiiij^, J Reverting again to the question of Lilfl hnet j at, the East Dock, the speaker said that expe- ) rience woui-i j:tove that the wo: ^ig or the I' i?riticc of W ales Dock wouid he greatly inter- fered with by tbe Railway Company mnn.ng over ti e lines, lie wus bound to take that poi rion. He tcok it in tne ho.*t interest, of ¡ the Trust and of (he trade of Swansea, aud j lie thought the rjatter should, be d.sensed, t oi, its oa ii merits. There was an an j ;;ient arrived at whereby the Rhondda and Swansea Bay Railway were gi .en n;r_n a,; j powet-s J' Mr the Harbour Trim iiues. Soma j of tuein, who knew ah tbe Iurto ie connection I with the East Dock coal trade^ reiL frc;* ib* I first tbat it wouid seriousiy :nverIe*e w:tb j the work o* the deck trallic. lh< Chairman I do not LU.:h it lo veil to j go iuto the question now. Mr. M, Tutton I am giving my reatoot i for theextrfluio efmrsa 1 have tat en. T cl*r. j tbat all w f raaoons are .I¡,: aod good i reasons for may action. 1 -n; cloarly to II state my views, and J say that what r. !Jl cently transpired at the ^xeeutir* I meet fug thotihi have appeared :11 the report, and it is •>ec«"Jse tfcoy I are uot in that 1 A'e to aeer.pt it as I stands. It is not fuir te toot t a* le b? i drives into tlik petit.ou. C>it »-.«** i» fe* aetTf. juid pro*«o« tho •M* I to wonrt. Mr. Ooxr Yeo soeondW the e»^- £ i>«*>t, j A.04 he ate, li» »i ry (real yeiri-A but. Vsmma 1* W, 4-t; te lis* i ho'.der-s of the Harboar Stock, Mid to tfci iuterosts of tbe port generally. What had taker, place between tbe executive of tte trust and the railway company should have appeared iQ the report then before tbeM, and — — The Chairman The railway copp-cy has entered into an agreement with the Trust (for a certain purpooo. Some of you were unsaccessful in committee, and go you beezu to be renewing opposition here. Mr. DAVTD HABAt. said that in the ie- terests of the public the other side of the question ought to be gives. Mr. M. TCTTOK He is entirely wrong, Mr. CORY YtO I have been stopped. I had a lot more to say. Alderman Mason said it was quite true that the agreement entered into lay the railway company could Dot, by some reason or other, be carried out. He (the speaker; objected that a new plan should bo brought before the Executive Committee of the Trust and there passed without proper discussion. The CIRAIRMAN. Mr. Thomas, Mr. Tutton, Mr. Cory Yeo, and Mr. Mason are all quite out of order. I am not going to impute motives or refer to the persistent way in which this discussion has been brought on to-day. Mr. COXY Y*o Let us have the superin- tendent. I press for it. The CHAIRMAN It IS a question of the agreement between the railway company and the Trust. The question it, has the agree- ment been carried out, and I say unhesiia- tiuly that it has. Mr. A. MASON asked whether it was a fact that ttie plan that was sent to the Board of Trade under tha.t agreement was such that the. could net pass n, The CHAIRMAN You know what it is to send a plan te the Board of Trade. Mr. CoRY YEO: In the interesta of the Rhondda and not of the Trust. The Chairman w. have no right tdodis- cuss this question to-day. Mr. M. Terror If the result arrived at by the executive be not referred tc in the report, is that decision binding on the Trust as a whole ? Tbe CHAJRMAH That is not the question. The CLERK There is no necessity for a report from the executive to he brought on at this meeting to-day. Mr DAVID HARRIS: And yoa used your I own discretion as to what appears ia" tbe Jreport ? [ T he CT ERK That is so. Mr. J. M. Mays* thought tbat bo one r round the table would say anvthine agaiAst the Rhondda and Swansea Bay Railway- (near, bear)-but it .hd seem very unfor- tunate and unseemly that the matter was not referred to in the rep.a u The amendment was t en pat t. the meet- ing and lost by seven votes to eleven, and the report was then adop Mr. M. TpTTOK 1 notice that I will bringth6 master up n. our next mentiily meeting. This was all the bosiaess of public interest