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SWANSEA SCHOOLS. HIGHER EDUCATION OF GIRLS. SUGGESTED ALTERATIONS TO PRESENT SCHEME, VOLUNTARY TEACHERS' SAL- ARIES. ALD, MARTIN'S REPLY TO KR M'KENNA. TEXT OF THE LETTER, Swansea Educa-Son Con* tee met on Man-day, A!dern>an R. Martin presiding. j HIGH EDUCATION FINANCE. The higher education (Intermediate) esti- mated receipts for the past year [General Fund) were £ 4,021, and for the coming year £4,366, The expenditure figure estimates were £1,570 and £1,911, The boys'^chool estimates (income) for the past year were £2,157, and for the coming year £2,776. The expenditure estimates for the past year wen 83,542, and to" the coming vear JA,116. SCHOLARSHIPS SYSTEM- Dr. Will >ams reported on conditions of ex amina-tion for scholarships to the boys and gar Is' schools, ana suggested the same scheme should aoply to the fi'tei mediate Schools as applied to the Municipal Secona- arv Schools. This has previous y been puo- ltfhed, and the doctor briefly went over the details and said during the pest two years the svstem had worked very satisfactorily, theie having betn no complaint whatever of any clever child having been passed over. It was decided to adopt the :-cheme. Mr. Colwill said he was very glad the old j system was at an end. There had been a certain amount of jugglery as regards the schola'shi'Ds to the Intermediate Schools, and to his :n::1d it had been a wilful perversion of justice. It was in fact on a par with a scandal. During the last two years the Brynmill Schools had been opened at 3 a.m., and scholars had been taught by the Coun- cil's own teachers and paid at the rate of 6d. per lesion. Mr. D. Davies said so far from condemn- ing the Brynmiil School frr doing extra work, he wished other teachers in other schools showed the same amount of spirit, and parents were more keen as regards the matter. He believed the blame had i, en placed on the wrong shoulders altogether. Personally, he supported Dr. Williams' scheme. The personal element in all schemes was the most important and he had s.i *h perfect hi thin Dr. Williams that he was prepared to go with him a long way. (Hear, bear.) Mr. Tutton said the objection was that some parents could afford to pay the 6d. and others could not. The doctor's scheme was unanimously passed. "BORDER" CHILDREN QUESTION, A letter was read from the Board of Edu- cation re admission of children Living on the outskirts of the borough to the Intermediate Schools. The matter arose from correspond- ence with the Cross Foundry and Engineer- ing Company. Garse inen. in which the latter) pointed ont it was unfair that the children should suffer through unpleasantness that exists between the town and county educa- tioaal authorities It transpired that no regulation had been made by the Local Education Authority pre- cluding children from the Intermediate School. As regards the girls, it had been found necessary to give preference to appJi- j cants for admission resident in the borough, The swretary of the Intermediate School had written and explained to this effect. Mr. Colwiil asked whether it would not be advisable to petition the Board of Education to increase fees for outside scholars. Eadi j chiid attending leceived benefits. One par- j ent outside was willing to pay an merea.-aed fee. Eactt child benefited JEl 14s. 7d. at the expense of the ratepayers, £3 per unit from Biahop Gore endowment, and £1 17s. Trea- sury grant. Mr. D. Davies said if they acted on that suggestion it would be a bad thing for the school- If the Authority excluded those children they would gain nothing bret lose by rt. The general revenue would dimin- ish, while the standing charges remained tLe> same. It, answer to Mr. Solomon, the Chairman sakl there had never been a case since the authority had taken the school over where trere hadn t been room for borough chil- dren. Miss Benger said as regards the Girls' School they had not taken an outside child in since January, last year. Mr. Harris thought an arrangement should be come to between the county and borough authorities. In the Intermediate School outside children paid about £6 for what cost £15, and in elementary schools hundreds of "outside" children were being educated for nothing. The sooner there was ) an arrangement between the two authori- ties the better. Mr. D. Davies, in subsequent discussion, paid the Board of Education had no power to vary the scheme, though he thought steps should be taken to consider the expediency of amending the scheme generally, as local education arrangements had been transformed since the scheme was adopted. The Chairman Yes, that is so. Mr. Davies's suggestion was adopted, and a committee appointed. I GIRLS' SCHOOL ADDITIONS. ,Af. regards the recommendation to apply to the Board of Education for sanction to bcrrow JB6,000 for proposed additions to the Girls' Intermediate School, Mr. Colwil! moved that the school remain open from 9.30 a.m. to 12.30 turn., and from 2 p.m. to 4.30 p.m., teachers and scholars to attend (compulsory) in the afternoons. As it was he did not think the present system tended towards proficiency. He understood at present only two teachers of the whole staff went back in the afternoons. Mr. D. Davies thought a. sub-committee abould be appointed to act in conjunction with Principal Owen, Dr. Williams, and Miss Benger. His impression was that the school was excellently managed, bat he did agTee that the present system of hours was not a satisfactory one. If there was any value in tuition and supervision it was as valuable in the afternoons as m the morn- ir.gs, but under the existing arrangement the supervision only continued during the morn- ings. The teachers in the secondary schools it seemed to him were the most, privileged class in the community. They (the tea- chers) only worked four or five hours a day {or live days a week, and had three months holidays a year. He thought the time had come when they should take into serious con- sideration the complete rearrangement of the school hours and school days. Mr Harris said he had previously urged a re-arrangement of hours. j Mr Tutton s:irl while m sympathy with th-, proposal he did not wish to delay the proposed additions Mr Colwiil aid he wanted the arrange- ments effected, and he did n^t w^nt sto^ j remold until they had trie money ex-j ^The Chairman said he was afraid the re- solution of Mr. Colwill. was net. In order, as the scheme definitely placed the hoars of the school into the nands of the head-teacher. He thought it would be Kette.r to leave the matter to a suo-com- rtiinee- This had been proposed by Mr. Corker just previous!v. Mr. Colwill" said according to the chair- man's interpretation of the rule, the autu- ority had only to find tha cash, for they had handed the school over entirely. The Chairman said they could not get behind the rules which laid it down clearly. Mr. Colwill pressed his resolution. After further discussion, in which the chairman thought it would be better for Mr. Colwill to accept the suggestion, Mr. Colwiil said once the operations were started he was powerless. The Chairman said there was the com- mittee. Mr. D. Davies said the Council did not want to force certain rules down the throats of the teachers, but they wanted their ad- j vice and see what, wss the best thing to i be done. Mr. Colwill thought that suggestion un- c&Ued i. ——- '7 1,1 V I Mr. Davves <^aid he had used it in a taeta phorical sense. (Laughter). Eventually Mr. Colwiil withdrew his op- j position to the building extensions, and agreed to the hours, etc., being referred to the sub-committee on condition the sub- committee was called five days before the next Council meeting. The Chairman said they would call the 1 sub committee as earlv as possible. I WELSH COUNCIL" OF EDUCATION Denbighshire Education Authority urged the advisability of the proposed estab.ish- ment. of a Welsh Council of Education tor Wales. f Mr. Cadwalladr They are not satisfied with the Welsh Department. Mr. Tutton Who? The Clerk read a subsequent communi- cation, asking delegates should be sent to the Chester Conterence, Mr D. Davies thought it way. inoppor- tune to V ling the matter now. When they had settled the education quarrel, it would be quite time enough to talk of a National Conncil.. Mr. Miles said there was another side l of the question, and that was that Welsh- men wanted to manage their own affairs. "fr. Solomon asked if it would swallow the Central Welsh Board? Mr. D. Davies said it would swallow everything, including the Board of Educa- tion. (Laughter). The Chairman "thought it was desirable we should 'nave the control of our own education, so that we can go on our own education, so that we can go on our own lines. What would suit England probably would not suit us." Mr. Davies said several things were de sirahie when the education question was settled The Chairman We can't wait till then. Mr. Miles approved of the principle of ,-1. National Welsh Council of Education for Wales, and moved a resolution to that end. The Chairman mentioned that he favoured the elimination of the representation of teachers on the Central Welsh Board. Mr. D. Davies said the the academic element in the Welsh Central Board ies- t roved all its value. Mr. Miles' resolution was earned. Mr. D. Davies moved that only one Te rresentative be sent. Mr. Tutton said three representatives were asked for. Mr. D. Davies We have to pay for the representatives; they might have asked us for 100. It was decided to send three represen- tatives (Messrs. D. Davies, Moiyneux. and Cadwalladr had voted for only one repre- sentative being sent). The elected representatives to the con- ference were The chairman, JIr. Tutton and Mr. Miles. VOLUNTARY SCHOOL TEACHERS' SALARIES. The Clerk reported upon the Board of Education's letter (dated Ferbuary 10th) re teachers' salaries, Oxiord-street non-provided schools. He had aiso received a letter on I' March 4th from the Board of Education di- recting the authority's attention to the pre- vious letter in which they asked to be fur- nished at the earliest possible date with 'r. authority's views upon the contention of the managers as -to the salaries, and the Board asked to be informed when they might expect a reply. Mr. D. Davies said the Board of Educa- tion agreed with his view as to the prompt- ness required. Now on March 9th they were considering a letter posted on lebruary ICth. The Chairman said he had drafted a reply as follows -.— i c 'Tam directed to reply to your letter ot the 10th February, 1308, in the fodowmfc terms — 1. The Local Education Authority con tends that no question within the meaning of the Education Act, 1902, sec. 7 s.s. (3), has arisen between it and the managers of this school as to the salaries of the teachers therein or otherwise, and tha.t there is there- fore no question for the determination of the Board in the exercise of its appellate powers. In this letter the authority confines its ob servauoas to this preliminary point. The authority finds it difficult to state its views fully within the limits of a letter, and if the Board has any doubt upon the matter it claims an opportunity of stating the facts and arguments in support of its contention in a case or memorandum which wiil raise the issues in a form which will ena.ble the 1 authority to obtain the decision of the Hir;h Court of Justice if the Board should be against it. 2. The authority begs leave to refer the Board to the long correspondence as to the school which has taken place since the iLp- pointed day, and especially to the letter of th? authority to the Board, dated the 20th October, 19(); which explains the views of I the authority as to its relations to the man- agers in regard to the teaohers in their school. "3. The authority is not aware that there is any dispute as to the facts directly rele- vant to its present contention. These facts seem to the authority to be the following:- "4. On the 18th April, 1907, in answer to a request by the managers for guidance, the authority by letter informed the man- agers that it was prepared to consent to pay in respect of salaries for teachers in thifi school the salaries hitherto paid by the au- thority. 5. The authority has been informed tha.t the managers allege that they subse quently signed written agreements with their teachers undertaking inter alia to pay them salaries higher than those sanctioned by the authority. The managers have not sub- mitted these agreements to the authority, n .r have they laid before the authority any iftcts or particulars showing or tending to show that suitable teachers could not be ob- tained at the salaries sanctioned bv the au- thority. On the contrary they have on their own showing, ignored the direction of the authority, and (as appears from the cor- respondence) suppressed the fact that auch direction had been given in their communi- cations to the Board. The facts as to the dispute concerning tne reconstruction of the school which its now terminated are within the knowledge of the Board and have no bearing on the point now raised. In accordance with th? I decision of the Board the authority has paid the salaries of the teachers in this school at the rate sanctioned by it. The managers claim that the authrrity should pay at ;i j higher rate. The authority is now and has always been ready to hear any representations made, or consider any facts laid before it by the man- ager* proving the necessity of raising the salanes of teachers in their school. Since the authority on April 18th, 1907. in the exercise of its power of controlling expenditure gave guidance to the managers, n) such representations have been made and no such facts laid before it. Under there circumstances the author itv submits that the facts simply show^-fcijat the manners have ignored arid defied the decision of the authority. If the mere ne gleet or refusal of the managers to obey the j authority in respect of a matter ciearlv en- titled to it by the Education Act, 1902. is t) be deemed to raise a question within sec. 7 s.s. (3), the effect would he to reduce. the pewer of the County Council to a vanishing point, and transfer to the Board of Educa tion the functions of the authority contrary to the plain intention of the Act." Mr Ben Jones moved the letter be ad- opted. Mr. D. Davies eaid although he disputed the statement of the facts, aa set forth, he had to recognise that the major-ty present vvt-uk« accept them, and therefore it id only be a waste of time to go clause by clause ii:to the matter. u he reminded the ooni- i. lttee that they were now proceeding upon into the law coux ^tijey Were gomg into th* JUfr°m everything Pn™Pi* .vi,h at>ait ° was a inequitable one. On technu*, £ v were S to "Skt of aiising the teachers of the Voluntary schoo]^ and thev were going to justify differentia and they were gOI1lg to justify differentia tiun in the payment ot teachers doing the c:ime work. If the decision of the Board Gf Education was in the committes favour had no doubt the managers would go to the courts, and they. were sofg to land the ratepayers of j vSv.ansea into hundreds of pounds expendi- ture to justify a thing that was unjustifiable and to assert a right which would lose them j the sympathy of every educational authcri i.y thioughout the country. The manage i-- contended the teachers were not being paic. what they were entitled to under the old ar range-merit. As a matter of fact they '11 being paid less— £ 332 less than under \i--> old arrangement before the appointed day. Special grants had bean made for the par ticuiar purpose of bringing the \c*untai, Schools to a level with the provided school but the money had been diverted to otht. purposes. The teachers refused to sign th- agreement except on the same terms as tin provided school teachers. The Board ui Education had pressed the managers toO geu the agreements signed and afterwards the teachers gave notice to terminate contracts^ j a'nei would have come out on strike but for the fact that the managers undertook, fron-j their own resources, to pay them the dijfei- J enee. Mr. Davies recognised1 that no sug- gestion of his was likely to be adopted, j Mr. T- tton asked .t Mr. D. Davies had s;token tj second the resolution to adùpt the ijtter. Mr. D. Davies said no seconder was re- quired in committee. Mr. Tuttun objected to the statement that they were penalising anyone. Mr. Corker So you are. Mr. Tutton We are not. Mr. Corker: Well, we believe you are. Mr. Tutbon That is your defect in look- ing at it. Wre are absolutely following t-be law- Mr. Corker asked why they had not ad- opted the same practice in other phices. Mr. Tutton referred to the "bogey of t le expense of hundreds of pounds to the ratepayers when th., committee were only carrying out the law of the land. Aid. 801(1_:1. said the letter did not bind them to go to.. the courts even if they received an adverse decision. The managers dio not make salaries up to the Council rate, and so they had themselves cdfer«ntiuted. Mr. D. Davies said that was not so, 1 e managers had paid them exactly ti^e °u cd rate. The Chairman said whatever ad 1 salaries the managers had undertaken^ ,th<?'.had Pai0 tn,ein luSoritv. or ootauung the s,inLtion ot that au So th<a managers had taiten upon tn«=i; the rc-spon&ibility tor which the w«.re not liable, and. tnereiore his- t*-1 to't S-—argaaicuc vvas clear, uauieo » tiicre wao uothing for the lioarU oi tion to arbitrate upon, i-he Act o rnent said the iiiauagers ill üSv lJI" r l0 comuiiuee and tro miuiagers uau uo l'J,g:J.t ,,0 spend a penny witnouL w* ^a^x- Connai. Yet u;ey tia.i ao„e so. ag,r, nad tried cui-u u.e sanction it would po.iy ^^o^atc tei tor the iioa.a oi t'l'on. Ihfl-e ruiglli. oe utuei >L. on, but tue.. need not an^pate ,gument. :,i ,n Corker .said the Chau'man the iirst instance that tney iuiowledge any promise oi increiuei^- The Chiurman saiu tU cier,, managers .vuat the author^ v.- piet k « la answer to questions, t noe the tonym,-liee^ pav t .icle vvas mat they were picp-e.i to pal U' iauie salaries as previouS.y. liiri Clerii read the r^iuLion L'ea;1 upon uie saDject and sai- -o tai' as lection went tae a,uinonty had carne o-.ery ooagation. Axr. D. navies said the teacliero had nerti been paid a penny increment. The Clerk said the authority had arnec vdt uie agreements which wt.c ia exis,et,cc v.iyCii th. schools were oaxen c-.ti- .\1r. Corner asked if tnere » wr.tioi a- icvuient tor every teaciier oaipio^uu. °Vir. iuiton No, there was uoL. '1 lie cerk said for very neariy every u.^ chei thcie was an agreement At ta autiiorit.- OKI X* ?»» »• Jfy" r anaueis with the teachers. Mr V. La vies said he luul been iniormed in the most dehnite terms by tn £ ^eachois concei ned that last year alone ^e iner.- ment»i would nave increased t,* ture to the teacners ot nearly £ 100- single penny ot mcreincu. was paad to teacbers oi the Oxiord-street ^nocds^ Tiio Chairman saia where tl.e cxeik wa. s.i.tished there had De.n a promise oi incre- ment the authority paid- Mr. Cadwalladr aspect now the ci-.TK. satis- ed hui'Self as to toe agi-eements. \ld. Soiomon said the clerk went and saw ti eCadwalladr said a nua.ber 1-ad no agreements. Tlu" speaker never signed an The Clerk said he gave a full report at tne time to the committee as to where ihere iveie agie&ments or not. vIr D Davies moved that the letter o. v" Martin's be not adopted inasmucn as ] :11 .L QI1 accurate statement of tact} and T f very doubtia!. I its in.w ^} Mi ^lonion said t-nat was a direct nega- U Ten vote^f^ adopting the chairman's i {,1 r against, lhose against were reply and four a„ Messrs. Corker, u- ^"lCorrespondence was read between tic 0 i f Kd.ici'ion and the managers of the Board of fc^aca the Beard of Pruocbial Sjrh^l « Education ha\- 'giiAlclucT their claim. sign without P1^' fche Board of Edu- A letter 14th, r, York-plac* cai,„„ dated tbe Board took > whieh the authority had ite„, on lbe '• Correspondence, of Educati0n agenda, be twee Qatholic Schools.! and St. Joseph s a m^;t. Mr. Moiyneux ing of manager& s resp0ndent in suc- tion cf appou»-5no wrald. Form 9 would c ( So ion to Father h be duly signed. on with fe Mr. Tutton asked the pc gard to the alterations at Oxford stree, ^The1 Cha,rmM said to had not heard an,. thing-

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