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LICENSING BILL. 1 ETING OF THE TRADE AT • SWANSEA. TARR AND THE NEW BILL oLTTO TH1:: INTELLIGENCE OF THE WELSH.' '(LONG AND EFFECTIVE PROTESTS. im;xn _TIt nev^ing of members of the «■; jade vas held at the Hotel Metro- S waiiiu on Friday afternoon, for the uí f;t.est;ng against the Licensing Besides a ia,r>ge and representative tooe from the town and intermediate & number v. ere present from Cardiff, laÐSea, Rlumdda and Llynvl valleys, nd, llindilo, Tenby, J widd, A':xiravon, Llanelly, Caør- Abetr' are, Dowiais, Merthyr, tr. W. Tarr (president of the Swansea strict Licensed Victuallers' Associa residod at the meeting, which was u-i .i' the auspices of the License >U cus' National Defence League- attendance mmubered 350, ana itt- Messrs. h fclvans ivice-pre<sident, oe-i Association), Basil W. Valentin (Lk^ily i. G. Chaini^rlain (president, Car- diff tf^or-ration), J. N. GiiSard (Cardiff), R. T. >eystH. J. Israel, F. Bradford, Richrcteon, Owen Harris, R. Whittakex, J. Benon, Taiiesin Morgan, T. Jones (presi- dent Bridgend and Garw Association), P. Wilums i -r.i. Llanelly), Morgan Davas and J. W heeler (Mountain Ash)> W. -VilJiams (lWuis), H. H. Price (DoW" .1als: u. Mayou. C. Smith, Jas. Tb0&>*s (Tar»el), I.. Enmu; (Bay View), Elson ¡ (Wc'jiingvonsj. F. Dowman J. Gstieman, H. Morris (Mumbles), JøD- kint W. S. Wallers (M'anselton), H- K^e •_» B. Vhitaker. Dan Thooias, D- Evans, VV. H. amtis, aOO. many others. Te President proceed That this mass Hkeemg of licensed victuallers, representing fraf, 10. 12 district of the Licensed Victual- Nationai Defence League (1,477 emphatically pretexts against the •-•sing Bill i ••(troduced by the Chancellor e Kxch'-au." oil the following groonds- 1"1, the Bill is not required, and has been asked for by the general public; nat it is the outcome of the coercive Ïn- IOC of a minority whose motive is not reasonable regulation, but the suppree- of licensed bouses; (3) that it violates Nary principle of equity (A") that the pro- posals relating to Wales are a menace to the intelligence of Welsh people which all true Welshmen will not be slow to resent." Mr. Tarr characterised the proposal to re- ■J 'ce iioeraes by 30,000 to 32,000 as drastic. xxo a local point of view Brecon, with a opulation of bad to-day 46 Eoenses; nder the ;ww proposals there would be sight. Slmme.Bridgend, with a pep- ■nhsiion if 6,0t<2, 1nd 30 licenses; under the rerw proposals there would be 9. Llandilo, 2.000 pop-nlatiov., 2S licenses under the new f r>xio?a!- there would only be 3. The Car- <(iff rfc-ers^.< woaki be reduced by the Bill m to 213, and tOO Swansea licenses 302 to 126. ("Shame.") Mr. Tarr dealt with the time-limit, and said for » years thp trade would be called upon to d'iscribcj to the compensation fund, and hey vockid at the end of the 14 years .hat whilst those w lose lioenses in the mean- :ie had been Ul-n away and compensation -oei>: xI. those may be left at the end of t t. period v ^11 id n<1t be allowed a single aeir y p-oee m t event of confiscation. ( Sijanc.") That unquestionably was a di- violation •-•? every principle of equity, 2;,(1 .hey fou.) i-i' monopoty value would I b? -fact" ap' '»ho remaining houses. In I 1tJ. w«or<te, m far as the trade was oon- dmiml ■ niiiwi wiiii- rt tjbk& the -w;>uld apply to the author- j v ,x- and they in tarn woald >Iaoe whatever monopoiy value w^u*d appear to them fit from tone to time- The moriopoiy value that may be placed in t2v I5sh 0£' from 1909 was not going to sncdl .-unytlnng like iinality. The jnonopoly vaiue would be subject to altera^ bon trom yeas to yeaf. The proposals Te- lating to Wales, proceeded Mr. Tarr, were a positive inadt, inasmuch as they suggested WcL-h people were not capable of taking care of ibemaelv°«, (Applause,) Licenses woo Li lx- reduce'^ >• e and a be-If times as touch or three biTt". C:i> much as in England ani the <><*•• .-t of ihr n(" system would be to brine about a r^r,sv-aiial reduction in j ■ a, the arnonnt to :'0 paid in tiKI forn." of oomj>ensal.k>n. Whereas hcesnses axtinfruished ia 19(77 were awairded, say, JEJ90G W>, tbe sum ^arently avaaiaWe cder the now pr^v^ woWd work out at eomet-hing Jhte £ -WJ each- ( Shame. J) In the malU-r of ;v U- trade would be ab- solutely pow^-k«;. It vas proposed to con- gtitute what, wsus iornKOidy called a ^ace°. sing Commi; &on. Th-.n Ommisf^ion would a ck.i-rTI: an who was to be paid the magrt incest saJary of £1,200 a year, and two ordinary memhers who woold receive £ 1,000 a yetvr Those sums would be paid out. of th,e wviTi^>eoeation fund. (" Sharoe.") Then, ar Welsh Sunday closing, Monmcnthjshire it wae proposed 6houkl cMne under the category of the Welsh Sun- day ,C1<y:,ng Act, 1881. Had Welsh Sunday eloeing. be asked.been to the people of Wales a boon acd a bleeps ae some people would have them believe. ,\roi«» "No,Never.") He sugge^ed it had not been. Why Welsh Sunday eloeing h' d brought m its wak6 evils more dire than ever the opening of bosses 00 Sundays weee ever capable of. (Applause.) Mr Tai-r iafn referred to the exiraordin- ary power of licontsing niagistnvtes to pro- vide for the oxclnsion of children froan. the birfo of Jieent<ed houses. The speaker yielded to ne one—not even the Ohancellor of the Exchequer—in his iove for children, but he Did emphatically that ui his opinion the proposals, as set forth with regard to chil- dren wafc a violent int/ejference with freo- dem, and an unjusi and cama-ging innuendo I against, the trade (Applause.) There could be but one construction piaoed upon ¡;1Wh a proposal; it was thai, {«">r thoae in the trade II there could be no hope. Hear, bear.) It was bad enough in all con^ence to say children were not to be permitted on license preini^:s I by penile who might be customers, but to tell a publican tha.t children were not to be permitted in his bar other than during d- legal hours meant that even the child of the publican was not to be permitted in his 1 house, ior no child other than the child of a publican oould p^aibly be on the premises other than during illegal hours. (AppJauge.) Tberi a-s to the i>armaid question.' If jt was -wrong for a barmaid to be engaged in the busin623' "w'Ae not ^ong for the publicans wile? Bat tbi president ventured to say that t-he morals of the woaien employed were as carefully I<JOke4 after in the trade as tboae of any Other business—gay, for in- stance. Ben Brans of ^ansea, or HoweUs of Cardiff. (OV^rs.) ^here was it all ing to end? What about the waitr^, afend what about the chambermaids m hoW8 who 'v8)'e subjected, God KneW, to more tempts ;ion tlian women behind bars. And by dis- tlen¡:¡ing with barmaids what was to become .ôí the thousands ho were now earning an honour!jle and honest living? The altera- tion of the three miles limit to SIX "would thousands of poor ou!s-—say at the Mun^blee—who would unquestionably be ruined and made bankrupts. And they wvuld be nnding tha.t when people had walked the six miles t.he licensed holder would ->ni' be able to give them food and drink togetner- Then there was the queis*- tion of tr..e Ai.lk back. It appeared to the speaker that the powers to be conferred on the licensing magistrates wouJd be so dras- tic that tbov vcuid he able to make ar.v mLrictioiv govern lag a license. (Applause.) The restrictions sought to be imoosed w«Jd twwi»mr«g»^p U»- s3?0«yoo .«4^ob%. were nothing but onlksenged public-houses. (Cheers.) There was nothing m the Bill to say that clubs should be regulated, and the practical effect of the measure to clo^ the pubuc-house and diver the tiaoe into an iUegitimate cha^- to the hagou trade, ut most tem as the president P)0^ ,er i' to be Ip^llised Reverting again u) clubs e^aJise rj u^eant notnmg; their rearstratnoii rea^j' they would be allowed to carry on their ne- faa-ious work as *S U the return issued by the Home Gtnce .he previous day the numter of license dururg the past twelve months haa been i-e,-ue«i hv 1 i4f) vet clubs had mcrea-sea in tin.- sine'period by 287. The ^ggestiou i;i the Bill with i-ega™ ciai)e. Wite nothing but peurile and ohildisli hi tne extreme. (.Ap- plause). faxr • iwsk«i tiie President, amidst applause. Vv'as there one at-om of equity that whilst the trade was not only taxed to the liilt, but governed by the severest possibh reetrie- tions so fAr as the police were wi-feel-ned, the clubs should be aJiowed to go 011 in the way they were? (Cries -J "No-") Jow ■was the time for member to1 assert lh^n' selves and present a solid frant to tho¡ the way they were? (Cries -J "No-") Jow ■was the time for member to1 assert lh^n' selves and present a solid frant to «* opponents, who were seeking by f in their power to crush the public house out of existence, and deprive the public of what was their iust and i»w £ ttI rlg 1 p" plause). He devoutly P™yed tliiatv each 0if present would not be content by having at- tended that meeting; a trememious work lay before tbero ail in the luture, and a tremendous respo^bibty rested upon vach and woman in that room. He teit as certain as he stood there that if the licensing trade would assert itself now-and now was the time—(cbeers)—the proposal would never be placed on the Statute Book. (lle- newed cheers). If the Government were genuinely anxious to amend the licensing Jaws why did they not seriously tackle the dabs and street hawking? By the proposals cojowfe into effect thousands upon th(.UK;uids of respectable men and women would he burled out of their business and left penni, less. ("Sha.me.") They all knew how their opponents had treated them in the past, and had they not sat down, as a trade and treated those beings with contempt? Uliat time had gone now—(loud cheers)—and those matters must be treated no longer with contempt. Extremists not only in the Anglican Church and the ranks of Non- conformity, but in the ranks of Liberalism and Conservatism for there were extrem- ists there—were endeavouring to deepen acd extend the malicious persecution I against the trade, and they would not be satisfied until they had hurled the members of the licensed victuallers' trade out of their businesses. Let them all realise the position from that standpoint, and let them remember that the work of the future was one for all and not the few. (Cheers). And let them preach their gospel as a set on against their fanatical opponents, ajia that were done, as it should be, such Pf"" tions would be presented to local members of Parliament that would astoum* all con- cerned. The president, in elusion, asked them to do ail they could in that direction, and not to be contented with simply attending the meeting. (Loud cheers). Mr. Basil Valentine (Messrs. Buckley's Brewery) seconded, and said tie Bill was detested amongst every class and in every quarter except those dominated over by teetotal cranks and the Bishop of Hereford. The nation had awakened to the fact in sober and serious earnestness that it was proposed to perpetrate an act of national dishonesty and make thieving and confis- cation of property a recognised principle of British politics. (Cheers). It (the Bill) was an act of political spitefulness, and was a singularly mean attempt to take ven- geance upon a class which was supposed to be hostile to the Radical party. It was extremely doubtful whether the reduction by one-third of the licensee in any particu- lar district woul ddo anything to restrict the consumption of drink. The speaker said emphatically that all statistics and ex- perience were opposed to that. (Cheers) What woaki happen was that small work- ing men's clnbs would spring up all round, and everyone knew that they (the clubs) were were a far greater evil to the cause of temperance. (AppiLuse). The publican al- ways had his license to think about, and the last tfaing in the world he desired was j to yvalro hia customer drurdc Rtit. if a ciwb was struck off tbe list to-morrow it could next week start opea-atkxxs in another house. ("Shame.") Proceeding, the speaker said the Government dared not attack working men's clubs. No, they were too cowardly. (Applause). The Government knew very well they would, by that means, attack the froe-tliinking man who 011 Sunday, over his glass of beer, ensenssed i>ociaKst and RadicaJ principles. The Government, too, knew well that those clubs were chiefly com- posed of the best supporters of the RadicaJ party, and they realised that such clubs sprang up from the inborn sense of freedom which existed in every Britisher—the re- pugnance of being sat upon and dk-iafced to. (Cheers). The Education Act was an Act of vengeance upon the Church; the licensing Act was ono to tako vengeance on the licensing trade. (Cheers); Dividends upon | 240 millions invested in brewery shares ^ere to disappear, in order that at the end of 14 years the imfarfcunate owners may be Possession of their bare capital. And let tiem remember that that money had been invested in a State-regulated industry an industry wh^i provided 36 millions of mu^?r J;o^P(ls tne national revenue, and whieh had been carried on for vears and years with the oorunlete sanction of the Sfcaie. It was only fajr to su?KOst that if the State had made an error in the sanction of the industry the State ought to pav for it. (Applause)- But not only did" the State declme to pay; the trade were not aJJowed to pay fo £ it t^enKelv^. The Bill was a damnable Bid—(cheers)—«nd the in- evitable result would be--ill the event of it passing—1that the price of beer must be raised, and his experience of the working man was that be was not easy to arousa, bat if tbev oodd touch his pockets it was wonderful 'how an argument went home to him. (Laughter and applause). If in every town and public house m the kingdom a notice was displayed that the price of beer would have to be raised a penny a pint, the working men would make soch an outcry that the Government would not be m power many months; at any rate the- Bill would not be thought of much longer, and that was the weapon that would have to be used to fight the Government. (Appla-ase. If 240 millions bad to be wiped out in 14 vears it was absolutely eflse/ntia! that the money, to a large extent, should come out of the Pockets of the consumers. l/ocal option, continued the speaker, was a sop given to Wales for the Liberal vote which went to the Liberal party !a?t election. (Applause). In conclusion, Mr. Valentine said there must be no bargaining with the Government. There muest be no questmen of taking ?1 or 25 years time limit. "No, we will have none of it. It is a bad Bill, and it must have our most uncompromising opposition." (Applause). Mr. J. 111'. Giliard (Cardiff) said in 1904 there were 103,434 licenses, and the con- swaPUon.of beer was 31,745,000 barrels; in +k*6 bad decreased to noo, nm ,'5eer consumption increased to 35,9HU,WU barrels. The consumption of hom&-v spirits had increased in the same period from 29,898,000 to 32,261,000 galksns* n 1903 theare were 6,371 regis- the nnmber was 6,907. a^d m 1908 7>147 clubs.

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