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GREAT MEETING OP FARMERS.

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GREAT MEETING OP FARMERS. A grand demonstration among the Farmers of (lie several parishes of Dandebif, Llanarthncy, Llanfihangel- Aberbythych, Llanedy, and Bellws, in the county of Carmar- then, took place yesterday on a hill called Garnfig, between the parishes of Llanarthney and Llanfihangel-Aberbytliych, ahont a mile distant on the Llandilo road from Cross Hands, Carmarthenshire. The meeting had been announced for eleven o'clock, at which time there were comparatively few per- sons on the field, but the numbers continued increasing until twelve or one o'clock, when the number present was estimated at three thousand individuals, nearly all of whom were fanners or agricultural labourer*. It was stated to be quite as nume. rously attended as the srreat Mynydd Sylen meeting lately held. A platform had been prepared for the accommodation of Mr. HUGH WILLIAMS, of Carmarthen, proposed that the chair should he occupied by [\11-, John Morgan, of Lanvnis, which, having been seconded by Mr. Thoma*, of Llwynyptod, was unanimously carried. Mr. WILLIAMS then said, that having been fortunate enough to secure as chairman one of the most respectable freehold- ers of the district, it had been his lot to have been called upon to state the object for which the meeting had been convened. It was known to all that they had numerous grievances to complain of, which they had long suffered. One was the turnpike-toll grievance, which was well known to them. 1 ne great multiplicity of gates had given rise to outrages of the most desperate character, which be hoped woutd be soon dis- contined, and the country return to its former peaceable state. It also appeared that the agriculturists were reduced to such a state of poverty as <nrce!y to be able to ray for the con- veyance of manure. One resolution would be proposed re- lating to that grievance, and another would have a reference to the New Poor-Inw( which was opposed by the uuited voice of the country. That law had been enacted by tiie upper classes of society, who kept in view their own pecuniary ad- vantages. They knew that several parishes were centred together in Carmarthen, which caused great expense to be in- curred by the inhabitants of the rural parishes, who did not understand their multiplicity of accounts. The expense was increased, while the comforts of the poor were diminished. The next portion of the petition would have reference to the Tithe Commutation Act—an act which had been passed, os- tensibly for the purpose of lessening the amount of TiLles, instead of which, they had been increased, so that people be- came anxious to retrace their lost steps, and return to the 01.1 system. The next gries,ance for their consideration was the great increase in the amount of County Stock, relative to which a resolution would he submitted to them. The amount of magisterial costs and law expenses had also become so s»reat, that the country could not benr them. They, might give ex- pression to their sentiments and feelings relative to those grievances. Thev said that, if those grievances were removed, probably their rents would be increased by their landlords. To avoid that great evil, it occurred that, if an assessed rental, under the control of the legislature, were adopted, it would tend to do away with the grievous competitions in their various takings An opportunity would be given them of expressing their sentiments on that subject also. He (Mr. W.) regretted to find, that. notwithstanding the resolutions agreed to at the Mynydd Sylen meeting, great outrages and excesses had been committed, and they had thereby lost the assistance of several gentlemen who wonld have helped them. They perceived the effect of those out. rages that day. He thought it would certainly have been desirable to have the company of those gentlemen. He was exceedingly sorry to find that private pique had been canied so far as to cause the destruction of property. He was not aware that Ilr. Adams, of iMiddleton-Hall, had in any way so stepped beyond the pale of his Magisterial du- ties, as to give rise to such a feeling of antipathy against him. A man, having any regard for his oath, must perform his Magisteiial duties. Another gentleman had been most unjustly accused of turning round—he referred to Mr. Win. Chambers, jun., than whom a mo e honourable gentleman did not exist. It had been repoited that lie took an un- worthy part in the suppression of the outrages at Pontar- diilais. Notv he (Mr. W.) attended the examination at Swansea, and took notes of the evidence of the police and others, which proved that Mr. Chambers was entirely free from havini: attempted to make an onslaught upon the people. Atr. Williams here entered into the details elicited at the examination of the prisoners, to prove that Mr. Cham- bers was not near the spot when thev were fired upon. He (Mr. W.) made those few remarks, to prove that Mr. Chambers was entirely guiltless of the charge brought against him, and he hoped that notion would be dissipated, and that bis property would not, in future, be subject to destruction and depredation. With those obse; vations, he would read the petition to the Queen. It was in the power of any one to assent or dissent from its prayer, or any por- tion of it. Our space will not permit the insertion of the petition at length—we give the substance. The first part relates to tnnipike-tolls, which ate complained of as beiug very heavy, and prays that all turnpike-linsts may i>e consoli- dated, and placed under one management, which wonld regulate the distances at which gates were to be placed from each other. The New Poo-taw was bitterly complained of, and the petition prayed that the old law may be, with cer- tain modifications, re-enacted. It also prayed, that tithes shonld be as formerly, either in kind or money, according to option. The County Stock was then complained of, as greatly adding to the burthens of the farmer. The fifth prayer of the peti inn related to legal and magisterial fees, which the petition expressed as being exorbitant. The sixth prayed for the appointment of Stipendiary Magistrates, to prevent any suspicions being attached to the administration of justice. At present, Magistrates were indiscriminately appointed, regard being had only to the income of the party aopointed. and not to his qualifications to fill the office. The next prayed for an assessed rental, and also that all tithes, local taxes, &c., should be charited on the land, and not on the tenant. And, lasily, the petitioners expressed themselves convinced, that no good would be done" ttfe country bv the present Parliament, and prayed her Majesty to exercise her prerogative, and dismiss the present Parlia- ment, and call another, which would evince greater sym- pathy with the people. Mr. Williams informed the meeting, that when seeking a seconder of lhe petition, a letter had been given him from Mr. Chambers, jun., stating his reasons for not attending their meetinu, which he hoped, with the explanation he had i given, would %ati*fy tlieui. The letter, which was read, repeHed the false report that Mr. C. had shot one of the rioters at Pootardulais, :a charge probably arising trom his having procured the wounded man some water, after the affray was over. Mr. C. also maintained that he had faithfully kept all the promises made by him. He said he would oppose nightly meetings, and would always do so. He also stated that h^ Wa- amongst the first landlords who lowered their rents, and recommended others to do the same. He also offered to pay the police-rate for his tenants, and never failed to grant them an extension of time tor the pay- ment of rent when asked to do so. He had also kept his promise relative to the Three Commotts Trust. The writer asked the meeting if they thought they would have their grievances redressed by filing people's property—was not that the method of aggravating the distress? Let the tenants of, and the liboti,er, employed upon, the three farms which had heen burnt, bear testimony. He had had written the letter to satisfy himself and not the wretches who had .devastated his property. His life had been threatened, but let the miscreant who had done so beware, lest he be paid for his temerity, as he (Mr. C.) was resolved to do his best to defend himself. I After the letter had been read and explained in Welsh, Mr. REES THOMAS, of Gorsgoch, seconded the adoption of the petition. Mr. STEPHEN EVANS, farmer, of Cilcarw, then came forward to*explain the petition in Welsh, and made some remarks thereon. He said he was not well adapted to ex- plain the petition, but would throw his mite to the treasury. He then advised the meeting not to drink much beer (there were a few barrels on the mountain); as they approached the greatest throne in the world, it would be highly improper to do so in a state of intoxication. He next adverted to the outrages committed. Such things had never occurred amongst the Welsh before—a people proverbial for their loyalty, and quiet and peaceable disposition. He was glad to see that meeting assembled, where they could state their grievances in a legitimate method. The farmers of Carmar- thenshire did not wish to have their burthens lemoved alto- gellier-iliey were aware that they must earn their bread by the sweat of their brow until they decend to their graves; yet they wished their grievous burthens to be redressed. They did not wUh to live as gentiemeii-all men were suited to their stations. For instance, he could not live as a loid, but was probably better adapted to follow the plough. Mr. E then made some remarks upon the various points of the petition. Some parties must think the County Stock to be a kind of never-ending manna. He was almost ashamed to speak of an assessed rent, as the farmen had in a,meastire themselves contributed to raise rents by their undue competition with each other. He greatly approved of the last praver of the petition, respecting the dismissal of the present Pat lament, but then the farmers must act for themselves, and act judiciously in electing another.— (Hear, hear.) Mr. Chambers's letter was then explained in Welsh. A Man in the crowd said, it i* Mr. Chambers's own neighbours who complain of his conduct they would not have so bad an opinion of him, if he had acted up to his promises. Mr. WILLIAMS did not think so; but were that true, it was no reason tbat his houses should be burnt down. Several remarks were made by Persousiu the crowd, some of whom treated the )etterwith)etity and jeers. Mr. STEPHEN EVA.NS proceeded. He did nnt know who Rebecca was, and why she always hatched at night; but he would make one remark with refeienee to her. He knew tllar. if oid women in making broth did not 'ake it off the fire in time, the potatoes wonld get "potch." He thought it time for Rebecca to take off the pot, or she would create a "potch." Something verv much like that had been created at Pontardulais lately. No person who understood what he was about would burn property, as the loss might he recovered from the hundred. Mr. WM. EVANS, of Pontyberem, then andressed the meeting in a very animated Welsh speech. He said that everything was either a cause or an effect. A good deal had been spoken ol outrages but they unfortunately were bnt effects produced by a cause, and the cause was that the conntry wa-t oppressed to a greater degree than it could bear. L'ke a horse greatly overladen, the burden must be lessened or he would break down. Let the cause be removed, the effect would soon cease. The Speaker then entered upon ihe toll grievance. It was not enough to make the farmer pay for tiavelling on the parish roads, but they were actually compelled to pay toll on private roads leading to their farms. Another most intolerable grievance was the New Poor-law. He (the Speaker) was seventy years of age, had brought np ten chitdren —had always paid poor-rates, &c. If poverty overtook him in old age, he shonld certainly expect to live comfortably. But no. that would be denied him, he would be separated from his family; his wife, the companion of hit joy. and troubles, would be consigned to the care of a stranger. (Hear.) Such were the cauaea of the effeest so piuch complained of. Another great harden was the thhet He knew a farm in Llanon, for which 'he tithes were j formerly 21. only, bnt now they were 20/. Why were they so increased ? Because the land produced more, in conse- quence of the farmer's expenditure of labour and capital; so that tithe was not only exacted for the produce, but also for the labour and capital which produced the produce. Still, he did not like to see ricks of hav burnt. That would not improve their conditions. Letters had bpen read to the meeting vindicating the conduct of some parlies. He 1 emeinbeied rending, that-even the devil had endeavoured to defend himself, (Hear.) It had been asked who Ke- j hecca was. He had never seen her: but lie Rebecca was every man who earned his bread by the sweat ot his brow, (Cheers.) The Speaker made several «ddi- 11011<11 observations. Mi. JOHN WILLIAMS, farmer and freeholder, near Car- marthen, then came forward. His observations weie priii- cipally directed against tithes, which were first paid by the Jews, who were a theocracy, all or one religion, Tithes were then voluntary paid; bnt the Chii*tian dispensation never contemplated their enforcement. It was said that tidies were a kind of charge upon the land. He would say thnl, in a moral point of view, the farmer had as gieat a right to lis ;ithes as to the rest or his corn. The pay- ment of tithes was a mere Jewish relic', introduced in'o the Catholic Church, ami handed down to the English Church, i Was it not shocking to think that tithes should be bought 1 and sold, that, under the name of religion, they should ba the means of crushing farmers to the earth. They must be had down. (Cheers.) Mr. DAVID EVANS, farmer.of Pantvcaste'l, was the next speaker. He wished the night lints to be done away" ilh: I He was glad that this meeting had been called, where they j, met in a legal and an honorable manner, to discuss their K' iev- ances. Great complaints were justly made against the amount of the poor rates; but it appeared the poor received no more than threepence out of ew?rv shilling. (Ciies of ( "Less.") If they received one half oiilv, the rate ought not to be denominated poor,ratP," bnt now they might Trail it the gentlemen's pay." Some men got large salaries, be- j canse their duties required extraordinary talent or skill, hot there were many poor-law officers who were not fit for any other trade. (A laugh.) He knew some of them, who ha.) become bailiffs, farmeis, shopkeepers, and publicans, and were unsuccessful, bnt they succeeeded in admirably filling their offices. Consequently, as the duties of their office j were so easily performed, he contended that the salaries ought to be low; but they were quite ihe reverse. Why should not the ovetseer relieve, the poor gratuitously. (Hear.) It was easier to pay mottey away than collect it, yet by the new poor-law an officer was paid for expending money, while the overseer collected it gratuitously. (Cheers.) j Mr. JOHN THOMAS, Sarmn, LUndyhie, was the next speaker. He exprtssed his pleasure at seeing people romfnu out in a body to state their grievances. It was wow necessary to do so. They must exett themselves, or sink and die. lie did not wish them to attend nightly meetings, hot let them come in the face of day," and othets in different positions in life might then be induced to assist them. The speaker then proceeded to point out the in- justice of the New Poor-law, hy which the bread of the poor was thrown awav upon officers, who were easiiy known on the load by their portliness and fatness at the expence of the poor. Let them have the old Act re-enacted. (Hear, hear). They would then know what proportion the poor received. In looking at the ways of Providence, nobody knew whether he would not be visited with poverty, and it was no pleasurable reflection to think that after haxincpaid rates during a long course of years, a person might spend the remainder of his davs in a workhouse, separated from all domestic and social enjoyments in old age when they become most necessary. (Hear, hear). Mr. S. EVANS followed in the same strain. No person in that numerously-attended meeting could say, I shall not be in the workhouse and feelings of horror must be cre- ated in every breast, when contemplating the separation of j the dearest ties of life in old age. He remembered an old man in a wmkhouse asking the haughty Poor-law officer, Where is Betty ?" (meaning his wife, who had been kept in another room). The officer did not nndeistand whom Betty meant; but after enquiry, he replied—' Oh, you mean Elizabeth Evans, she has been dead for three weeks." (Shame.) That was the first time the old min was informed of the circumstance. Such was the exact representation of the Poor-law. He knew a poor woman who walked eight successive limes from the parish of Lianarthnev to Carmar- then, and was at last unable to obtain relief. The Poor-law Officers were even too proud to be spoken to. He remem- bered a time they could be easily spoken with. As for tithes, he could say, that many paiisiies weie nothing better than an estate belonging to the tithe proprietors. He knew a farmer near Mviiydd Sylen paying more tithe than rent. (Hear.) fllr, WILLIAM THOMAS, of Rhosfawr, Llanon, addressed tha meeting. He remembered about vears ago the tithe amounted to about 2s. 6d. per pound in the parish of Llanon, when the lay impropriator used to send his tin vessels throughout the neigh- bourhood to get the farmers' milk. So poor was the farmer that he could scarcely taste the butter made by himself, but was obliged to sell it for the purpose of procuring cheese, clothes, and money to pay the rent, tithes, or taxes. Farmers sull'ered three famines in the course of the year—one was a bread famine, which look place just before the harvest, when the old corn had been exhausted and the new had not come in; ilie other was a cheese famine; and the third was at the time the farmer could not pro- cure clothes. He knew in his parish farmers paying 40/. or 50/. in rent and a heaw lithe, who had 00 change of clothing for their children to go to the Sabbath School, He understood lhe peli- lion prayed for a dissolution of Parliament. Whenever that took place, the farmers must work for themselves-most main- tain their principles, and stand by them. They mnst not forsake them tor the purpose of pleasing their landlords. They must narrowlv watch the Tories-a,e. and look with caution on the W higs,"wbo had acted hypocritioally towards the people. If they had always voted in support of their own principles, Mr. Goring Thomas would not be taking all the farmers' cream, and leaving their children live on whev. (Hear, hear.) He had no 1 talent to speak neither did he profess much understanding; but 1 he had t'xptlrlenoe to teiofr film. He was willing 10 be reduced to poverty bv Providence, bnt not through the iniquity of man (Cheers.) The tithes were five shillings in the pound in the parish of Llanon. [Cries of "Six shillings,"—" Eight shillings,"—and Here is a person paving 29s. tithes on three acres of land."] He determined not to vole again to please his landlord or any other person. The Clergy, where are they ? Instead of saying. till death shall us pInt," they bad better get the service altered to "till poverty shall us part." The Turnpike Trustees, where were thev ? was there one in the meeting? If so, let him cosne forward and reason upon the subject. They were met to legally discuss their grievances in the middle of day. He knew three gates—he would name them, RhvdytlTnon. Fairfach, and Rhyd- Vtruscog gates, within a mde-and a-h)'!fofe"ch other, and at all of which toll mllst be paid. (Cries of "Quarry-fach gate." ) Yes, that was another gate within a very short distance; but thanks to Becca for pulling them down, though he would prefer her hating done so doring the day. Reference had been made to boiling potatoes. He thought they might take the pot down for Carmarthenshire, and. if necessary, let it boil on for Glamorgan- shire. The speaker concluded by entering at some length into the detnils of the turnpike-toll grievance. Mr. JOB DAVIES, Pef,tregtrinsi Liandybie :-They had come forward in the face of the sun and the eye of light," yet he was afraid their petttion would b$.i{>f 110 avail. There had been thousands of petitions sent from lie people, until the tllbie IIct lJall" groaned they were onlv ordered to lie on the table-then under ih,, table-(a latigli)-and then bufnt or sold for waste paper. Still we must try again, and be ihonght all ought to sign that petition for nearly all of them paid tivhes, rates, or ta\e-, in some shape. In times of old very good laws had been given from a mountain. He thought if ..or legislature were on a mountain, far distant from the spirit stores and wine cellars, &c.. of London, we should have belter lavs. The speaker uonoluded by repeating thelie IlIIei 0 na wetwn i waelod-da obaith, I A diben ar drallod, Codi arf gwedi darfod, I A hreiniau dyn bron a d'od. Mr. WAI.TER MORGAN,of Cwm'-errig, Llanarthney, then very ably addressed the meeting on the injustice inflicted upon the fNDnerbv the game laws, but the meeting did not seem inclined to add any thing to the petition relative to those laws. A show of hands was then taken for the adoption of the petition The CHAIRMAN said, that the meeting had saved him the trouble of taking a show of hands agaiust the petition, as all were held up for it. On tbp proposal of the CHAIRMAN, three tremendous cheers for the Queen were given, and they then separated. All the addresses delivered were in Welsb, witb the exception of Mr. Hugh Williams's.

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