The Cambrian News and Merionethshire Standard

MEKIONSTH I N T 15 11 -1 MKDIATfi EDUCATION. <; MEETING OF COUNTY BODY. r The quarter! meeting of the County Governing C Body c, m-tituted und«r the Merionethshire Inter- ( mpdiat" Education Scheme was held at the Police Station, Barmouth, Thursday Nov. 2nd, under I the presidency of Dr Edward ,J,lnes, Dolgelley, t chairman. There were also present The Hon C. £ H. Wynn, Rhug; Mes-rs Edward Griffith, Dol- gelley Morris Thomas, Corris John Parry, Bala; 1 Dr Ro,:er Balt; Mrs Burton, Bala Mrs < Rowlands, Tuwyn M<-aers Andreas Roberts, 1 Fest'nmg; D. G. William. Festiniog; John Davits, £ Dyffeyn H. Haydn Jones, Towyn E. P. Joues, W. P. Evans, and R. 0. Jones, F-stinii g; J. Lloyd Owen, JBala the Rev John Owen Jones, B.A., Mrs Price, RhiwiaJ Mr R, Jones Griffith, clerk, and Mr \Y. T. Lloyd, assistant clerk. > NEW MEMBERS. The Registrar of the University College, Bmgor, wrote stating that t e Rev John Owen Jones, < B.A., Bala, hau be-n appointed to represent the College on the County Governing Body in the place of ProfcS'-or s Robert-, resigned. The Registrar to the Abery-twvth College wrote stating that Mr Ov-n M. lidard*, M.A., M.P., had been appointed to represent the College in the place of the la'e lamented Mr T. E Ellis. The Rev John Owm Jones attended the meeting and signed the form declaring acceptance of office. ENFORCED AHSKSCE. Mr 0. L Edwards, M.P., and the Rev T. Mortimer Green, registrar of the University College of Wales, Aberystwyth, wrote r» gritting their inability to be present. VALUE OF CENTRA 1» BOARD CERTIFICATES. The following communication was received from Mr O-vt-n Owen, chief inepe br of s.chool* :— I am authorised to m dee "h following announce- ment with reference to t) e recognition of the P,oa. ami junior c -i tifioutes, respectively: — 1. The senior cert,iicat" examination of the Board has been placed by Le Coort of the University cf Wales among the > x .emulations recogn.sed b^ it as equivalent to ti e matriculation e.xao inatiori of the University, provid»d that candidates claiming exemption have passed '.her,in in the subjects and in the or surj ects re- quired by the reon ntioi-s oi the matriculation ex- arrduati'-n cf the Uoiterriry of Wales, and at the I time of application for exemption have attained the age r, qui r-i by those regulations. 2. The senior rerutieato examination of the Board his. been pieced by ti.e General Medical Council among the exumiea ior.e recognised by it as equivalent to the preliminary professional examination of the Council. 3. Thes-i.ior certificate examination of the Beat el ha beon placed by the Education De- r,) I n the examination recognised utide-r artic;e 51 ( ) of the Code. 1 The senior certificate ¡ examination of the Beard has be n placed by the Education Lepart.ee nt among the examinations re- co'iivz u dcr article Ilo (d), provided toe can- didate- s k n% re-; 'girtioii have passed therein in such vd a > many subjects in c combination as are recognized by the University cf files.'is equivalent to the matvieular.ion ex of the univ, rity end have obtained'n l than three dis tactions. 5, The iuuior C'-rtifioa'.e of the Board has been placed by the Education Department among the examinations recognized under Article 40 of the Code. I is cxp oled th t. recognition by other public bod-ess wili f ilo» ii; one course. il\UNCE Olt Bile DING FUND. The Ch.iity Commis loners wrote stating that they were aua-ti e* the reply to their letter of April 27-h let in reference to t 1: e8 42 j balance of building fund. The CJ.IAIUM.VN st. led that. the amount had cow been reduced t £ 1.12 He was of opinion teat it would be n. great shame to have to pay this money aa they mu-ht want it agom ieasnj-ae-h as all the school buildings iu tll" county not entirely conip!ed. Mr E. P. JONES peintee oet t'-a* epplication had ( already been ma e for of the amount by one county school and he proposed that tee Comm's- sivnera s-hou'd be writt -n to informing them lh.t J the buihli'i;e=! n t h.v- « b en entirely completed J the amount claimed VI. ul■■ b. 'cq I Mr HAYDN Jo:cK.sseconde-l tn" p>cposition v.h'.ch j was agreed to. INSPl-CTION OF r»B The t'-llowir-g letter v,as received irom the Cer.t-ral Wel -h l.w.ard :— Central W< lsh li'.inv., CanHI, August 19th, 1S99. Dr Wi'I 'i:no' Hchool, DoI^e'Iey. Dear f.-ir, —I am duvet- to inform yoe. FH to the Central Welsh Board h-ive i vei-i comrnnuieation with the Charity Corr.niissioueis as to whether they were entitled under Clause SO (e) cf -he Central Welsh Schem* to charge for the ic.cpection and exmiina- tiens of xhe Haverfordwest Grammar School and of Dr Williams's School, Do'gel ley, and I am further diiected to transmit to you the enclosed copy of a letter v.hich has been received from the Charity Commissioners on the subject. With reference to this letter, I am to enquire whether the yearly con- tribution received r.y ihe Board from the Merioneth- shire. County Governing Body includes the per- centage oci the rev-j;j;;e derived frJU1 the endow- ment of Dr Wiliiam-j's School. Awaiting the faveiir of jvpiv, I am, dear sir, yours faithfully. Pi'.KCY E. WATKTSS, cli rk to the Bftrd. R. Jones Griffith, Esq,, oie:k to the Couaty Governing Body, Dolgelley." The following is copy of Lt er from Charity Commissioners ref. rre:! tn Jane lOb. 1S99.—The quistion raised in your has now been under co'ii-idt ration. Tht- Commisaiooera are of opinion that the Central Welsh Roar i are entitled under Clause 39 (e) of the Central Weleh Scheme to charge, in respect of the examination and inspection of the HJverionlwe t Schco!, a sum of not less than the actual c:>s.fc ,f the examination and in- spection cf that School, for the following rtasons, viz. — (I) That the Haverfordwest Grammar Sonool is not an intermediate school efiteblished by sclieme an ler the Wel-h Act within the meaning c' Clause 39 (a) of the Central Welsh Scheme and (2) That the yearly contributes received by the .Board under Clause 2 (a) of 'hat sch-me from the Pembrokeshire County Governing B dy does net it;clii ie a percentage of the revenue derived from the cndo'.vif-.ent cf the Haverfordwest Grammar iSchr.ol. Thi; C-ritial Welsh B art! should accord- it'-giy apply for payment of the charge to thu Jfembrolce^hire, C-aintv Governing Rely, whose duty it is uvdi r Clause..53 < t the Pembrokeshire J County Scheme to p ,y 1 .T the FCX £ .mirsation and insp ction of the school in question. I am to a,3d ] that if the yearly contribution received by the t Board under Ciause 2 (a) of the Centra: Welsh r Schnm-? iron the Merio.neth County Governing < B-;«y does not include a per-'entage on the revenue „ from the endowment of Dr Williams' School, I Ho Wiley, the Centra! Welsh Board will be entitled to make a similar charge in respost of the examination and inspection of that school.—J. v.m r sir. Thomas Alichin." The CHAIRMAN explained that ti e Central Board simply rsquired an ansvver to the question as to v whether t -.e y; arly contribution received by the Board Iron: the Merionethshire County Governing Body iri 'lnde.i the percentage on the revenae de- rived from toe endowment of Dr Williams's School. a lire answer to that was No," and that the endow- j nient irom L'r William-i's School was nnt included v, in the revenue d the county. Of course they „ would make application for it at serna future time, but; 'o, fof-c they discussed it they might wait until such application was submitted. I; was decided to reply to this effect to the com- I £ municaiicn AWARD OF COUNTY EXHIBITION'S. Mr Owen Owen, chief inspector of OJunty School-, wrote recommending tor the two county exhibitions offered by the County Body to John flughfp, and Anne Catherine Pugh, both of Towyn Ccunty School. In arriving at this result ho had famed out the instructions laid down by the Central Welsh Board. The number of candidates who competed was twenty-six. It was arranged that one exhibition Should be open to boys and one to girls. s Mr Thomas Jones, headmaster of Towyn County School, wrote stating that both the pupils would ititer the Aberystwyth College. John Hnghes as entering this session, but Miss Pughe would kot, do so this year. The CHAIKMAN said it was well that Towyn -ounty School should have obtained both scholar- Hips this year. Last year Dolgelley County tihool was successful. As regarded the girls com- bing in the examination the lirst came from Owyn and th*1 second, third, fourth, and fifth line from Dr Williams's Schcol. (Hear, hear.) jiat was very creditable in his opinion and with due respect to Mr Haydn Jonep, he thought to '\lure the four positions next to the first was even 'tter than securing the first. (Laughter and hear, V.) Mr HAYDN JONES proposed that the exhibition John Hughes should be paid over to him and Ilt the exhibition of Catherine Pugh be held over Jil next year. ^he proposition was seconded and agreed to. DR WILLIAMS'S SCHOOL THE CLAIM RKJKCTED. j*r W. R. Davies, clerk to the Managers of Dr liazhs's Schoel, wrote stating that the follow- ag resolution had been passed by the Managers That the Governors of this School pre er a claim to the County Governing Body for the ue share of the county rate and Treasury grant iu espect of this School." The following letter was read from Mr R. Joncg Griffith, clerk to the Dolgelley Jubilee (Boys) bounty School At the last meeting of the Governors of the above-named school the following vsolution was passed That we desire to convey o the County Governing Body our strong dis- rpproval to the action of the Governors of Dr Williams's School in endeavouring to claim part of ;,Vje revenue belonging to this school under the lounty scheme and that to deprive this school of my part of the revenue would mean to close the ;c The CHAIRMAN said he had received a copy of a statement in regard to Dr Williams's School from Mr W. R Davies, clerk to the Managers of that school, setting forth the claims of the School to a ^rsnt from the county rate and Treasury grant, He (the Chairman) said in any case it could not be read at that meeting because it would be out of 3rder for any person who was an outsider to tawe part iu the deliberations of the Board. To read trat statement would amount to permitting an outsider to express his on a. question under the consideration of the Board and he held that nobody outside could take part in their delibera- tions. If the Board once allowed persons to send statements of the nature of the statement cent by Mr W. R. Davies, ths.t was,, statements for or against any resolution which they had to discuss, they would eventually j&nd themselves in a terrible mltSS and their proceedings would be irregular. He was not certain whether tll the members had read a copy of the statement, but he was quite prepared to hand it over to any member to read. But lie must rule against reading it pub- licly at that nr eti; g. Mrs PRICE stated that she had not received a copy of the st':lClI1r-nt. The HOrJ. C. H. WYvX—And you rule it out of order. The CHAIRMAN—\es. The lion. 0. H. WYNN then pointed cut that the letter from the Boys'County Sehool, Dolgelley, had h, en read; but the Chairman said the letter j merely gaÚJ the re passed by the Dolgelley L,)e-ii Oo,,ernip.?, lio:ly. The statement, which the Chairman ruled should not be re-sd, was as fallows "October 23; Ci-At a meeting of the Governors of Dr Willi, ilia's School, held en the 7th inst.,the subjoined resolut,ion was "pssscd and a copy was July forwarded to yon. [The resolution was the same Its that sent, in the first letter.] The subject, I presume, will come on foi consideration at the meeting on the 26th inst. In the meantime I have been directed to inform you of the grounds on which the Governors of Dr Williams's School apply for a portion of the County Bate aed Treasury grant. I need not remind you that under section 9 of the \V ehh Intermediate Act it is necessary that a portion cf the county r.-te should be assigned to the School in cr.kr to entitle it to st are in the the School in cr.kr to entitle it to st are in the Treasury grant. By the county scheme t-.to representative governors are to be appointed on the governing oody of Dr Williams's School and the latter body are :,0 appoint a representative a cne cf the School managers cf the district. A c'jpy of the accounts of the Governor,; of Dr Willicms's School ura to be sent to the Couiry Governii-r; Body. Tprevisions taken w ith c'r.uses 2, 5.45, 49, and schedule 4 appear to 'establish the right of Dr Williams's School to participate in these funds. I r-' sp;etfully submit that the bracket in the 4th s -he-mle iroplb s that, tha two schools are on the same footing and that each should receive a of tire funds as'dgetd to the Dolgelley district I m • v ol>o Vie allowed to remind you that the claims of Dr Williams's School have not- b en brought before yny uutil no'v when the boys' school has bjr.n built, equipped, and fully estab- lished iree ti debt. Th<re is now no reason wry the girls ehouhi not receive their due proportion cf the county rate and Treasury gremt. It is mi- necersary to refer to the gocd work dene and being done by Dr Williams's School, where thrru are now a'oout sixty boariers and thirty day scholars in a tend'.nee. The number of pupils at the boy;' school (I understand) is about twenty-four. Tue htaiT there cotnprices a headmaster and two higniy- (jual'fied assistants, No scholarship exhibition or bursary has been founded undijr the county scheme' teneb'e ?.t Dr Wiliiams's School although the scheme apparently contemplates that all county schools should rccuivt; prizes funds for the maintei:ance of scholars and birvaries and other advantages. The total amount which bar been paid 'o Dr Williams's School by the Local Governing Body has been JE40 only and that towasds t<conical education, viz a sum of £ 30 in March, 1897, and £ 10 in 1S98. It is on the grounds set forth above thai the governors of Dr Williams's School uow ash the County Governing Body to pay to them their due share of the country rate and Treasury grant." The H01 C. H. WYNN after the Chairman had said that the statement could not be read rote, and begged leave to make an application on behalf of Dr Williams's School, unless the Chairman a a the vice-chairman of the managers of Dr Williams's School would make it. Perhaps Dr Edward Jones would take it up. He should be glad if he would do be. Tlie CHAIRMAN—I cannot do it, sir. CC. 1. WYNN—You cannot do it ? The CHAIRMAN—No, I cannot, beeau?ic I voted against :t at tire meeting of Dr Williams's School Managers. Ti;e Hon C. II. WYNN—Then I beg to make application to the County Governing Body of Merionethshire for a contribution to Dr Williams's School. I need hardly mention in the first iii- stance of the greac sncc^ss of this school in examinations and the difficulties which the school had to overcame in attaining those successes. Continuing. Mr Wynn said the Dolgelley I School Managers had now y arrived at the eud of thtir resources, and they had very little mors to look to in rvference to the increase of their levenus which was certainly wanted. There were certain improvements Absolutely accessary at the schools. He was not going to arpai in the position of tapplicant, j because he considered that the Managers of Dr. Willi.'»ma's School had the right to ask the County Body for tire grant. If the members of the Body ivould refer to the scheme for the county of Merioneth Jndi-r the Intermediate iviueatron j 1899, -I)ey would fled throughout, from one end to he other, references tp Or Williams"s school. Che hou gentleman then quoted several sections in ihe county scheme having reference to the school, Ls in tie-I- c laiel j itress upon the ftct that the accounts of the school vere audited by the County Body, and that two 'epreseutativ. s of the County Council were! nanagers of the school. Ke also drew the j larlicnlar attention of the Body to 1 ilanse G.0. of the county scheme, j vhich provides that the county schools shall be so onducted as to allow of a grant being made in .id of them by the Treasurer and the Department f Science and Art; and to receive aid from a local uthority under the Technical Instruction Act, 889. The section ended with the following j t'ord.-i :—"That the provision of this clause shall, s far as may be, apply to Dr Williams's School." they cityie to -,tie most important i ection of all. He meant the fourth schedule, ho .it-,g grants from building fuud i;.2icl general fund to each county school district. Undtr this schedule the Boys County Schools and Dr Williams's School were bracketed together. The very fac: that they were bracketed together was more conclusive than anything he could say in btlpport of hi" contelJtion that Dr Williams's School was entitled to the grantaecorded to the other county schools. It. v. as for the County Governing Body to settle as to how the funds ehouid be aeiministered. Before proceeding further he would refer to the accounts of the County Governing Body for the year ending March 31st, 1S99. There they would find that t\e sum cf £1,HíS ]2s 3d was paid over tu the County Body in respect of customs and excise duties; also that the sam of £569 6s 7d was p,ii(I over to the same Body in respect of technical instruction from: the county rate, and a like sum of f56 9s was paid to the Body in aid of intermediate education by the County Council from the county rate. These sums made a grand total of £ 2,297 5s 5d paid by the County Council to the County Governing Body. There would certainly ba a few charges to be paid before the different lucal governing bodies would receive their quota, but hhe Dolgelley district under the scheme were entitled to 13g per cent of this sum and this share, he must say, was considerable enough to allow Di Williams's School to have a portion. He believed that it had got abroad that Dr Whlliams's School, as an endowed school, could five on its endow- ments. He begged to refute that impression by stating that the Echool could do nothing of the kind. They had to depend almost entirely on their boarders to keep the funds up to the mark and to maintain the school as a high school. The Managers educated the girls whether they were boarders or not at £ 5 per annum, which wag cer- tamly reasonable enough. But they had no con- tribution from the Couuty Governing Body, on whom the Managers of Dr Williams's School had a claim. They did not even give them a echolarship. The Managers had come to the end of their -%Ianagers ha(i e,,me to the e, earning capacity and he held that if there was one Fchool of all others in the county deserving practical consideration of the county it was Dr Williams's School. The Body must remember how vatuabte.as a girls schoel, Dr Williams's School was throughout the county. Yet the school did not get much assistance from the county. On the. other hand, th; y had every reason to believe that many of tlie girls were educateel in the county schools of the county, but for the existence of the latter would have had to resort to Dr Williams's School. Again, if Dr Wiiliams's School was not ia existence, the County Governing Body would have had to establish a county girls' school at Dolgelley in the same way as they had had to do at Bala. This, undoubtedly, would come on the county rates and under the scheme a proper contribution would have been demanded. He was epiite in sympathy with the B"ys' County School, but he did not see that Dr Wiiliams's School was less deserving of a contribution than the Boys' School. The question was not one of sentiment, but a question cf right and the Trustees and Managers -of Dr Williams' School would be guilty of criminal negligence if seeing that tne money was due to them they did not do their utmost to obtain that money. The County Governing Body had no r'ght to withhold sixpence of the money due to Dr Wiiliams's School. Heji-eheved all the members were iu sympathy with Dr Williams's School, which had done a great deal in the past, was doing a great deal at present, and would do a great deal in the future. There were one or two courses open to them in case they were refused a contribu- tion, but they would deplore very much if they had to resort to those measures. The Managers could appeal to the Charity Commissioners to give their ruling once and for all as to whether Dr Williams's School camo under the provisions of the Act or not. He had very little doubt as to what their reply would be. rih reply would be that Dr Williams's School thoroughly as much a county school as if entirely managed by the County Governing Body. Mrs PRICE, Rhiwlas, seconded the proposition. Mrs BURTON, Bda, supporting the proposition, said Dr Wiilinms's School was as much entitled to the county rate and Treasury grant as the Bala Girls' School and the Towyn School. Sue added tlv.t the only difference between Dr Williams's School and the ether schools was the fact thd when the Intermediate Act was pa.s?el Dr Williams's School was already efficient and doing good work. There was no reason to interfere with it in any way except by the appointm nt of two governors. o Mr H. HAYDN JONES, Towyn, saiel he Lad ex- amined with a good deal of care the statement pre- partel by the Manpgera of Dr School. He quoted extracts from the tatlmeL t and extracts from the scheme, and stated that it was his opinion that with the exception of he conduct of examinations, auelin.ig of accoiit)tp, and the elec- tion of representatives of the County Council on the Bosrd of Managers. The School was governed entirely by its own scheme pics^el on done 28th, 1S75. Regardirg the ?rnck:tiI:g of iba I){.\}s= School and Dr WUIams's in thu scheme h:, did not di-puto that, but he had his own idv;s about the matter. He asked the question, did the references and clauses he had read show that the Schoo! was intended for a school under the county scheme. Proceeding, both the Dolgelley and Bala Boys Schooi had been taken over under section 10 of the School, and the Governors, ipso facto, had been eiischa.-ged f'r -m their office. Now if Dr Williams's School was to he taken cwr in the same way why should i-.ot he Governors of the School be dis- charged in the same way. Agatn the Headmi-tve.-c t;1 Dr Wilbams'.s Si-hool was c, in (I by tII2 County Govv-ning Body, but by the Managers of the School themselves. Ia the case of alt o'.her couuty schools ia the county, such ap- po'nlments wn made by the County Body. Uul. r toe county scheme papils are not admrteel to county schools under the age of ten, but under Dr Williams's School scheme pupils were adnrttcd from the age of seven. A MEMBER-Some are admitted at th? r-ge c! L 1 CV Mr HAYDN JONES—According to the scheme-, the rg.j ia to be seven. In addition to these facts the q'.salification tor admision was the lowest possible s'andard whilst the county schools were debarred under the county scheme from admitting any pupils who ba j not passed the 5th Standard. Ad- mitting for the sake of argument that the School was eutitled to a grant where was the contrihu- ti- n to C-Mii-J from The applicants said that the money was to come from the quota of the general fund granted to the Do'gelley school dis- trict. At one time they wanted the money to c me direct from the genera! fund, that was, taking away portions of the grants due. to the Ba'a, Bar- mouth, Towyn, and Festiniog county school?, but the application had cow be m amended, a moiety of the grant to the Dolgelley school district being asked for. Proceeding, Mr Jones said the County Governing Body had about £ 2 000 to divide annually amongst the five school districts in the county. The C. H. WYNN (interposing) His nearly £2,:300. Mr HAYD" JONKS, continuing, pointed out that of this £ 2,000 D lgelley school district was voted 13.1, per cent,, which amounted tof266. If iililf this amount, £ 133, was given to Dr Williams's School there would only remain £ 133 for the Beys' School. Dr Wil iams's School received :|nntu\ Uy £ 310 in endowments as against £,15 received by the Boys' Sehooi. Thus, if the applic-ttioii made was granted the Girls' School would be receiving £ 443 per annum and the Boys' School £ 178. The sum of i:178 would be only just sufficient to pay the salary of the Rcadmast r with his capitation fee?. It was aid that the Body should apportion between the Boys' School and the- aids' School the amount they should receive. Now, he aqk,et, -Aa, any msmber that would say that that apportion- ment would be a just and fair one between the schools in that district ? It had been Migcest-je! that the endowments and grants should bo thrown into a common fund and then equally divided between the t-4.0 This would mean that each would receive £ 310 per annum. In c; ncluaior, Mr Jones said he was perfectly unbiafsed in the matter, but he firmly believed that they had dealt not only generously but fai.,Iy I)r to. ty:c B;ys' Scho()l :t was their duty to do fairly by both schools. Consequently he no hesitation" fs.eiing that jti-st'ce should bo done to both schools in moving a elirect negative to the proposition of Mr Wynn- Mr E. P. JONES, F< sfiniog, seconded the amend- ment. Mrs PRICK failed to see how the body could override the fourth schedule in th« ssheme, ui winch the boy3 and girls school were bracketed together. Dr IiDGUKs, ILIa, faid Mr F. P. Jones and be Chairman could make the point clear. They were members of the Committee which drew up the scheme. L Mr E. P- JONES thereupon roee ard said that rs far as his memory served him Dr Wil- iiamVs School was not a county school under the county scheme. The school was outside the County Scheme except in two or three things. Ihe school was eimpiy put in the Scheme for the sake of the £ 3a0 wnich the school received frvm the County Council, as well as for the money it re- ceived for paying for its examinations. The Edu- cation Committee, who drew cut the Scheme, was bound to admit it for the sake of that nioi-jey. Ti-io, iace iBiii a wan mentioned as nr. wnnams School was an argument against it. He considered it was I a'tocetln-r a m s-cou3truction on the scope of the j Scheme, to think that it was a county school. He remembered very well the question of the bracket coming before the Committee, The members found it out at one meeting and coulel not say how it got there. They decided, however, to leave it there. He had several copies of the Scheme before it Wits rinaIJy drafted," ithout the bracket. He remembered distinctly one remark made about the bracket. It «as this. They did not know whether au extra rate over anel above the halfpenny would be levied and it might be that the County Governing Body or the County Council would think fit to apportion some of the money to Dr Wiliiams's School. It would be a pity for them to do anything agaiust that school. Tne County Education Committee at the time had a perfect right to every penny coming to the school and the building as well. But instead of interfering with the school, which was doing a very good work, they granted the petition of a deputation which waited on the Committee at Bala on behalf of the Managers of Dr Williams's School to leave the School under its own scheme. Thus it was that the Committee left the endowments to the School without touching them at all. They wtre really the property of the County Body under the Intermediate Education Act. As showing the efforts made by the Committee on behalf of Dr Williams's School, Mr Jones pointed out how the Committee had nearly succeeded in getting the sum of over £ 100 a year being granted to it from Howell's Trust. In conclusion, Mr Jones said Dr Williams's School was already receiving as much as was due to it. The CHAIRMAN, who next spoke, aid he desired to supplement the able lucid explanations of Mr Haydn Jone.-i and Mr E. P. Jones, He should like i to say that he was being placed in a most painful s -ion in thi matter because he was deeply inter- ested in the welfare of both the Girls' anel Boys' Schools. He could not disassociate himself from the idea which would be entertained by some that in J saving a word on behalf of the Bovs' School, he I; would be opposed to Dr Williams's Schoel. These, who knew him, however, woul l understand that in spe; king for Boys' School, he would not be guilty of opposition to Dr Williams's School. If any in- stitution had a warm corner in his heart, it was Dr Williams's School, and he would be the fhvt who would try and help it in every possible way, but at the same time he wanted to see the Boys' School in as sati-fatory a position as the. Girls' School was at the present time. He thought it had been proved that Dr Williams's School was not under the county scheme in the same ser.se as the other county schools wrere. Dr Williams's School was governed by a scheme of its own, and under that scheme the Managers had the appointment of headmistress, wheieas the appoinfments in all other schools were in the hands of the County Governing Body. Another proof they had cf the eliflerence was the application from the Central Board for a portion of interest on the revenue of Dr Williams's School. Why j was that? All the endowments of the county were ¡ included under the County Scheme and were paid direct to the County Governing Body and after- ward transferred to the different, schools. But were was Dr Williams's School. Did ttiey get the endowments of that school ? No, they were kept apart. They were paid direct to the Governors of 1h.. school. The Hon. C. H. WYNN.—But it is exempted in the se!¡cnF ? Tim CHAIRMAN—That is my point. I wish to point out the distinction made in the Scheme between Dr Williams's School and the other county schools. As Mr E. P. Jones had said, Dr Williams's School had cotne before be Education Committee time end again, and they had talked and talked over it. It was not tin' intention of the Committee that a penny of tie revenue. of the county should be paid to Dr Williams's School. He would tell them why. At first they did apportion a c-nm of the county revenae to Dr Williams's School. That apportionment was sent to the Charity Commissioners, and they sent back saying thot the funds of the county would not allow them to give any of the revenue towards the School. They were anxious at fiiet to give—and would have given bdt for the Charity Commissioner? who struck out a ciause in the scheme to that effect { The Coo mis-donors rook the matter and sent their 1 assistant; commissioner Mr B.uee to the Denbigh Joint Education Committee and there the scheme j dealing with Howell's Trust was drawn out. In that scheme the sum of £ 100 was made over to Dr Williams's School from Howell's trust. The matter was considered by the Merioneth Education Com- mittee and thinking the sum might tie increased 'hey made an application to that effect to the Den- bighshire Comr. ittee, he (Dr Jones) attending the meeting of the latter Committee as deputation. He waa received very cordially and he succeeded in inducing the Denbigh Committee" to rise the sum from £ 100 to £ 120. TtJe Chairman then the section in the scheme of Howell's trust which wss to the effect that £ 120 should be, p.iid tov ards the maintenance of Dr Williams's School anel said the Scheme could be read by any persons who considered it to ba a myth. He next described how the Scheme had come before the Home oi Lords and how through the influence of the Arch- bishop and the Bishop of St. Asaph the Scheme I out. Tins wes in 189-t and by this year Dr Wiiliams's S 'h.ool had Joafc JE600. Dr W i'.lidm;->'s School had been deprived of this eum through the influence cf the Archbishop and tho Bishop of St Asaph. Mr HAYDN JONES—Shame. Dr JONKS, continuing, said £ 600 would have been sufficient to educate twenty-four girls from Üs c.iunty of Merioneth. The Archbishop v as put to say at the cf Lords that the school was a Un t i.nan cc!io l, The school wis no mTe Ut?i- i tar;an than any other school in the county. As t' e resivt cf that fals.* statement, Dr Williams's School, which had dore such splendid wcrk, war11 deprived of JE120 a year. It wa- unjust, unfa:r, and cruel to nlake such a statement. Proceeding I to discuss the present application of the Managers, the CHAIRMAN said it would he unfair to the Boys School to take away half of their grant. As it was, the school was handicapped through be- ing a school for boys only. The other county schools derived considerable revenue from the girl pupils, but Dr Will/am^'s School deprived the Dolgeib v Boys School of this revenue. He was very proud of Dr Williams's School which had nevsr been more flourishing than it was at the present time but he must say that the fxist-nce of Dr Williams's School meant a considerable loss of revenue to the Boys School. There was another matter to be con- sidered. There was an opposition school in Dolgelley. The members knew what tcck place at the Church conference r.c,-itly ¡ held at Machyolleth. Th Headmaster of the opposition school rdt¿ a paper at the Con. lerence on religious teaci ing. The Camlrian News, which as a rule differed from him, said the speech was a bigoted, narrow speech." Those were the seutirneots of the Edilor of the Cambrian yews and were they going to Sf-r;d their boys to a school wheie the Master v."a? bigoted anel intolerant? If the application were granted, it would probably mean the closure of the County Boys' School. He asked the members to do what was right and fair. If at. any tiiiiz- the rate was increased from a half- penny to a penny, he v. ould be very glad to give assistance to Dr Williams's School. But at present, in justice to the Boys' School, the County Governing Body could not do so. Mrs PRICE did not see what Howell's trust had to do vuth the application She wanted justice done to Dr VV ilhams's School. She wanted it to be pnn-cd that the school vas no1: in the Couuty Scheme. The CHAIRMAN said he referred to the Howell's Trust iu rdrer to show how £ 120 a year was lost to the fchool. MRS PRICE—But we have nothing to dwith that to-day. n The CHAIRMAN —Would any other member like 1 to speak Mr W. P. EVANS supported the amendment and said Dr W illisms'-i School was not a county school because it was gov mod by a scheme of its own and not the c ti.,itv scheme. Mr LLOYD OWEX. Bala, having spoken to the same effect, tho matter was put to toe vote. For the application three voted—-The Hon C. H. Wynn, and Mr3 Burton and Mrs Price—3 for the amendment refusing the application there "cte!. —The Chairman, Messrs Haydn Jones. Morris Thomas, E. P. Jones, W, P. 1 V. G. Wii- liams, Andreas Roberts, John Parry, Dr Hughes the Rev J. Ovvea J mts, Messrs Edward Griffith, John Davies, R. O. Jones and John Owen—J3 Mrs Rowlands remained neutral. The CHAIRMAN declared the amendment carried. The Hon C. H. W YNN then moved that the County Body fehouid write to the Charity Commis- sioners itsidng thou whether Dr School, was en:it!ed to a contribution. This would put an end to the matter ence and for all and it would look better for it to come from the County Body than the Managers or the School. The CHAIRMAN saiel he was sorry, but he could | not accept the motion, because the Body had decuied over whelm iog.'y avaim t the application. It was open to the Alanagers of the to write, ) As it was, the motion was out of order ¿ Tne Hon C. K. W YNN—But it would look better II to come from here. The CHAIRillA: I have decided against it. I MISCELLANEOUS. Mr R. O. JONKS, Festiniog, wau appointed to re- present the County Governing Body on the Court of Governors of the University College, Bangor. The Sub-Committee appointed to consider appli- cations for dairl scholarships, reported that ten applications were received, one from AberaDgell, three from Corwen, two from Llaubedr, one each from Harlech, Dolgelley, Aberctovey, and Dinas Mawdd.vy. The Committee resolved to award the two scholarships to the following :—Miriam Roberts. Braichlwyd, Dinas Mawddwy, and to I either K. E. Evans or M. D. Evans, both of Hen- dreforfudd, Carrog, Corwen, the choice being left I to them. The Hon C. H. WYNN observed that the dairy I classes had been very successful at Corwen.—A committee was appointed to make arrangements as to advertising scholarships in agriculture for men.—It was resolved to pay accounts amounting to f862 5s 7d. This left a balance of Z697 14s lid, but of this sum the Chairman proposed that £ 650 should be apportioned amongst the school distr ct. This was agreed to.—Oa the motion of Mr R. O. Jones, it was agreed to support a Bill which was being introduced for reducing the term of service of young men going in ^for the legal pro- fession from five years to three.—The Chairman referred to the advantage to be gained by sending pupil teachers from elementary schools to county tchools to prepare for examinations. The Festiniog School Beard was alreadydoing this. He suggested that the matter sheuld be placed on the agenda of the next meeting.—The suggestion was adopted, and the Board rose.