The Cambrian News and Merionethshire Standard

DR LIVINGSTONE. At th(-, meeting .of the Royal Geographical Society on Mon- daT evening, despatches forwarded by Dr Kirk to Lord ran- ville aM by Lord Granville to Sir Roderick Murchison, relative the movements of Dr Livingstone, were read by Sir Henry Rawlinson, who occupied the chair in the absence of Sir Roderick Murchison :— Zanzibar, March 10th, 1871. My Lord, -I have the honour to forward transaction copies of tetters iustreeeived from Ujiji, from which it will be seen that up to five months ago Dr Livingstone was at a place named Manakoso, and only awaitinr the men and supplies sent off by me last year, and that they wave now reached him, or at least been forwarded from Ujiji to the place where he is. It being now tirae to close letters for transmission by tbe present occa- sion, I shall not be able to make inquiry among the Arabs ac- quainted with these parts as to the- position of the pi ices named, but which I suppose are on the western side of the Lake..— have, &c., JOHN KIRK. To the Right Hon. Lord Granville. Copv of a letter from Consul Kirk, Zanzibar, from Shertef Basblihh Iber Ahmed: I have to inform you that on the 15th Shaban (Nov. 10) a messenger came from the people of Menama with letters from the Arabs who were there and one from the Dr, and these letters were dated the 20th Regib (Oct. 15). In answer to my inquiries they told me that the Dr was well, although he had been suf- fering, and he is for the present at the town of Manahoso with Mohamad bin Gharib, waiting for the caravans, being helpless, without means, and with few followers—only eight men—so that he c uinot move elsewhere or come down. W have sent off twelve of our men with American cloth, waniki, beads, sujear, coffee, Bait, tw.o pair of shoes, shot, powder, and soap, and a small bottle of quinine. All that he was in need of we have sent to him and f remain at Ujiji awaiting his orders.—Dated 20th Shaban, 1287 (Nov. 15, 1870)." Translation to Judda Damji from Saced bin Majid, after compliments. This letter is from Ujiji, and the news here is good, and aothiiig but good to report; trade also is prosperous. Letters have come trom the .people of Menama, from Mohamad bin Gharib 1. <1 his people, and they have got good prices such as please them. and the Christian is in their company, and they intend returning to Uj; 'ii in the month of Sllfz (April) Sherief reached ,iijiji, having with him the goods of the Christian, nnd we iOtt-H)'têlHling some of these goods to him, for he is desti- tute t.h« people of Sherief will accompany the messengers who lift* 'j&e —<T» SiU-a* J0U.N liiSUi.

cS1)tlding. The Boy lamed fe'm^elf whiiie runningtn the Dee Stand (C-,ip at Chester, on Wednesday. TENBURY.-The,obi ection to Speculator for the Tenbury Steeplechase has been overtoiled. Cyclone injure l himself very severely in the Chester Cup by cutting his side nd stifle, -and will be Itors de combat for some tirnelto csme. Rosicrucian had anArrcw escape at Chester, on Tuesday week, as, when pulling 'sp at the etd of his gallop, an old drain gave way in the mi Idle of the course, and Wells only just succeeded in "Saving him from a falL The yacht race between Livoiiia and Guinevere OV<S- the Queen's Course from Ryde was won on Eridaff. Livonia had the best of it, rwaning to windward, ar4 passed Cowes on the return half a minute first. Guinevere rounded about a mirlt:_teahead,'Õ[mt Livonia kept closet in shore and arrived first off Ilyde. C'ROXTKTii HU-NT STEE'PIFt-rAsE.-Tliis meeting having been announced as it#tl under tte Grand National Hunt^ules, all horses that ran there are'disqualified from running at meetings tm\¡jeètl to \'(,hos rules, CHESTER Cup TimE.-The time occupied in 'the race for the Chester Cup, as taken ty Benson's <cbronograjfc, is as follows — Start, -3h. 39tain. 16|sec.; arrival, 3h. 43min. dura I .23!see- 39Jsec.; duration of race,' 4af.in. 23Jsec. Sir Wat kin W. Wynn entertained the following party at Wynrif3-iy during the Chester meetingEarl of Portsmouth, Earl of Coventry, Earl Vane, Lord Combermere, Lord De Lisle, Lord Bateman, Hon. Admiral Rous, Hon. Colonel Forever, Sir Richard Brtt^ke, General Mark cdtOlwâ Lowtther, Colomel Appedey Mr T. T-Drake,; an& Mr C. R. Alexander. NoxPAREit.—This n-rre, better known as'Old Fashiom, broke her neck while rGnning in the Scurry-Steeplechase, at Hall Green, near Birmingham, OR Friday week. He-: owner, Don Henrique, sustained a great loss by her death, as he was offered a considerable sum for toer only the week before. She was by Knight-of Kars out of NoveTfeo, an own sister to Karslake, whose chance was greati.y feicied for the Grand National ,f 1S70. CARDIPI RACES.—At the Oardffi meeting, last wok, Mr E. T'culkes, of Oswestry, won threeract s the Grand ■Stand Plate of 56 sovs., and tbe y)pen Kurdle Rase of -50 sovs., with May Fly and the Alejcaridi.u Steeplechase Plate, of'50 sovs., with New Oswestry, who made zL sad exhibiticn of the three who opp,sed hiir. T,a,ly II)ay "bred by Mr FouTkes, and sold by hirn to Mr P. Morton, was also fortunate in two even's. AncF. IIAWTH-OHX ACT stern chase of Glenlivatin the Chester Cup, 011 Wednesday,tails to memory old A!e Hawthorn's pursuit of Red Decc under almost similar ciicumstances, -and with the- sime resuit,Uwentv- seven years ago. Alice was carrying 9st.'8Fb., while kl-r three- year-old-opponent had only 4-st. in the saddle, and tfee bodily wciglli of Kiiebener, who rode hira, was bat 2st. 121b. This perfomance on the part of Alice Hawthorn is one of ihe best- remembered events in connection with the race, bni;i t hardly surpasses that f. f Morteiner, inasmuch as the latter hat. a turned loose four-year-old to contend with, and, though be was (I c- feated, the great fight he made of it 'was one of1 the most splendid things ever seen in the 'feiStory*o"f racing. The? Tup- gill people stared when they saw their pet youngster, whom they iselie\ ed"to be within some fewpoliildq of liotlit-ell, totalIr unable to compete with the Frenchman, who was "giving hill no less thfin'Sst. 10lb., and Sir Joseph Hawlev led iiiitit(i-- able tilings when it was plain t"hat R«sicru'cian, ';m whoix a value of five'tbousand guineas was placed, would liardly bf a match for the three thousand guineas Mortemer, even witrt: a ,stoii, of the weights.—Sportsman. CAPITAL RUN WITH: TKE HON. G. HJLL'S OTlfR HotUDS -—These hounds met at Pem, er, the seat of Sir Harry Main waring, Bart., on Monday week, and got on a drag at the lower end of t'he wood about nine o'clock, which they steadily held to, the scent evidently improv- ing, and his seals showing he bad been going down stream as far as Wincham, where the Ar!'ev' Brook joins it. 'The "hounds worked down abont "half a mile without acknow- ledging a scent, and were brought back to the Arley Brook, where they at once took it-ul again, and ran very prettilyup to the White Lodge of Lord de Tabley's Park. To make certain the otter "had not gone into the large mere in front of the house, & smalFbrook w&s tried v.rhich ran out of the Mere, where the boimds acknowledged it, but-not into the Mere. To make all-sure, this very large piece of water was tried rfmnd, be-ides another brook running outside the park waU and'they were then brought back "to the White Lodge, When they gave tongue atonce, and hunted quick and steadily tip to a holt, about one Mile f-roni Arley Hall, the seat of Mr Egerton Warburton, where thev marked the otter at. four o'block. The terriers could not bolt th, varmint until after an hour's work, when-a cheery I I t,,illy-ho" from Mr Wm. Clegg fresh en ed up the hmmrl" who, dashing into the stream, t,)ok -,iip the scent, -and after a sharp burst *»T about an hour they pulled down a fine bitch otter, who, finding the water too ihot for her, 'tfi.ed to land. The bounds "had then "live miles to go to their van, and eight miles' drive after that to With- ington Hall; the seat of Mr J. Baskerv vie Clegg, where. we believe,'Mr Hill and the other gentlemen wbc, sport 'his buttons are staying. There were seralladi-e at the meet, among Wtom were Mrs Baskervy 1 efdegg, "tbe"Misses Cole, and the Misses Mainwaring. That fine old sports- man. Mr "John 'Dixon, of Astle Hall, ,Who f(juowed the -whole day in his trap, and was hftcky enough to-eee the Tiounds get the biood they so well Ae-sencil. This is the fourth ottet killed by the bounds during the past week. The only drawback to thi4 fine day's spart was trile ab- sence of the lion. Piaster, who had gone to London to pay the last mark of respect to am old friend. THE DECLINE O* CHESTER RACES,.—'The^-great mming on the Roodee, we canriot help thinking 'begins- to show svmp- tonss of a decline and fall; not a rapid descent—forwe trust ) Chester Cup will he an event in our calendar for many years to come-bct a gradual one, and perteps none the lees sure onthat aceocnt. If our suspicions are correct, Chest«- Races are, !tfter all, only stSFfiering from the mesvitaMe law of change and decay, and the Chester people, if t'hey ewe enough about itto,do so, must hug themselves with the memoriesf the past,1nd not-ioo' bristly anti-dpate the future. But there are sv mptoms-that Chester, or a portion of :its citizens at least, doii"t'irug -thews(ilves: stall, and are rather inclined-to cast their ^feoe over the Roodee and all its works, some of which they declare to be wileked works above and beyond that iniquttij of racing, whifca we know is an abomination-to the puritarncally-mhided ofcur large towns. And we are not disposed to deny that they have same truth and justice on their side. As sportsmen, we have sften earnestly desired to cut off scine adjuncts of sport—parasitical plarrts, that-twine themselves-round; the body politic, injuring it in the eyes, of many bdholders. We all know wTttt they are. They are lightly spoken of and lightly regarded by racing men-ún easy-going generation, who-come to look upon all-tbe pecca- dilloes of tiie -raceoourse with great impartiality. But. there is an outer wofld'ts be thought of, Who regard racing with hostile eye,-b, and, forgetM of their Kwn motes, are very anxious abut its beam. That we have given occasion in many places to -t.he enemy to blaspheme there is aio doubt. Chester, we fear, from all wernear, has been an old offender; and, indeed, the fact has beem too patent to be denied, though it has been swglrt to be palliated. There is no doribt that the great festival on the Rotftiee," as it it the fashion tto call tbe races, has %een tL saturnalia to a large -class, not alone of the lower orders, but <of something above them in the-social scale, who have made the racesia pretext fw unlimited esceess «of various kinds. The Beer Question has always been averv great question at Cheater, to vrhi-ch many other things 'have given way. The Ci-me of commencing racing has always been set so as to suit th<e beer interest; the booths on the Roofiee have been more numerous than on any other course in Eng- land. Go where ir,#u votild in the town, you saw signs .f universal guzzling aud its results,-avid the vast crowds who thronged the old city -on the Cup 'day evidently regarded eat- ing aud drinking M their part and parcel in the festivaL But'there were other adjuncts not se commendable even as I excessive eating and .drinking. It was asserted that the bootiis,i,n the course wore little better than brothels, and the authorities of the city, headed as in duty bound by the cleigy, stirred-themselves in the matter. We do not understand that tke controversy so raised commenced with a decidedly hostile feeling-to the races per sc, but only«to their abuse; and, though it inevitably branched off into a pro. and -on. of whether racing was a good thing or not, and descended into sucb sordid questions as to whether it paid, there was vvft de- cided feeling against the races,as far 'as we can make out- if the races would only behave themselves. The D au of Chester beat the drum ecclesiastic loudly; 'but Canon Kings- ley, a name laved and honoured beyond the limits of Chester walls, sfcrudk a truer note when be wrote a-tfttter on the evils of betting -To the Young Men -of Cbester",the letter of a Christian gentleman, not a bigot or a Puritan, but of one who loved all manly oports (aye, and could enjoy a race too), and had a sportsman's heart as well as that of a scholar and a gentleman beneath his cassock: a ea-pital letter, addressed to the "White Fools," as he called them, who would rather do right but dare iaA, unless it is the fashion." Do we not all know the White Fools," particularly where racing is con- cerned-the young fellows who barely know a horse's head from his tail, and are the special prey of the advertising tip- ■etcrs ?—Field.

HOLLOWAY'S PILLS. Truthful Exper;ence. -The united testtmony of thousands, extending over more than thirty years, most strongly recommends these Pills as the best ptll ers, the mildest aperients, and the surest restoratives. Tbey never prove delusive, or give merely temporary rebel, but attack all ailments of the stomach, lungs, heart, head, and bowels in the only safe and legitimate way. by dej)ur»t'in& the blood, and so eradicating those impurities which f°undati»n and support of almost every disease. lbeir medical efficacy is wonderful in renovat- ing enfeebled constitutions. Their action embraces all that is desirable m a household medicine. They expel every noxious and effete matter and thus the strength is nurtured and the energies stimulated. THE SORROWS OF A SCAREcaow.- The case of Reg. tI. M'Clellan," aritiiIl under the Game Licence Act, is one which confers peculiar hardship on a class of farm employes whom philanthropiiists are wont to take under their considera- tion. It rules that a poor boy, sent out into the fields to fire off a rusty old single-barrel for the purpose of scaring the birds, may be fined if his master has not taken out a licence, which, besides enabling him to use a gun himself, suffic s to cover all the bird-scarers he may have in his employ; and the boy may be sent to prison if the master refuses to pay the fine incurred by his own neglect. This is very hard. A farmer knows he has no licence, yet orders a lad in his em- ployment to fire off a gun in his fields. If the lad says, as he is expected to do by the law, Be you got e'er a licence vor I ?" (supposing hiir to know all about a licence), what would be likely to happen ? Probably, if Farmer Giles had not expended 10s., as many people are often averse to do if they can contrive to evade it, he would be angry at being asked such a question from such a quarter, and the little Billee" would certainly be pushed off the farm with a hint that his services were not required in future. Thus is the poor lad placed in the dilemma between going to gaol on one j side and losing his place on the other. Is this a fair position for a wy W low pbufcu iu

TOWYN CHURCH. SIR,—" F.S.D." Was made use of your columns to bring a serimis charge against the Evangelical School ite the Chiii^i of England. His words ate thes*, "The IVotes- tant or Puritan pect in the Established Church have been aptXy termed Dissenters who have missed their way and while I have tire greatest possible respect for an honest rnd consistent Dissenter, I have none whatever for a dis- honest Chuman who remains nominally in the Church 'for the s,ke of her emoluments." F.S. D." will acknow- ledge that the Church of England is a Church by law es- tablished, £ nd that many are the advantages derived from this connection with the State, and probably a few disad- vantages. He has also implied that there is more 1 han one school of thought in the Church. I will call them, the Ritualistic and the 13 vangelieal Schools. The question is-which of the twe schools represents the Church as by law established ? „ Who are the tru Churchmen ? Who really and truly teach, in accordance with the Scripture, doctrine of the Artitles and Formularies of the Church ? How can it be those who invariably vilify the Reformers and the glorious Reformation ? What is the use of subscribing to Articles whose doctrines are ignored, and 'to Formularies whose spirit is contravened ? If the highest legal Court in the kingdom is competent to form an opinion and to promWmce a judgment, it has .'(kclared unb-ositatingly that the'Ritua'islic School is adop- *ting practices and plaving private theatricals, which are ignored 'by the law of the Church as interpreted by & Court representing both Church "and State. The practices of this part\' have been condemned by this Court, and fcy irnplicatkm their doctrines of Sacerdotalisna and Transub- stantiaticm. or as they pr* tcxall it-he Rsal Presence. The Ritualistic School, in my humble way of thinking, is contrary "to the letter, as well as the spirit, of the xveformed Churcb'-of England. They-seem to me to eat the bread of the Protestant Church of England—to propagate doc- trines wnich were condem-ned- at the Reformation. As a, member of the Church of England I believe in the Bibl-e as the only standard 01 the Truth, and I am deeply grateful to the Reformers for sweeping away the filfca and rubttsh which had crept into the Church during the dark qge,, and for having given me godly and wholesome doc- trine both in my Prayer Book and Homilies, and T grieve to "find that there exists a party in the Church now who ai-e-endeavouring to bring into repute the teaching which the Reformers condemned, and practices which are super- st-fiious—doctrines and practices which the Church of l&i,gland brands as idoiatroup and blasphemous. The Church is Protestant because she protests against. tiie erroneous doctrmes of theRomi-h Church, as well as sjiiv other false doctrines. Although the Church is never called in the Formularies the Protestant Church, yet I 'consider the term to be a good one. and whicb we ought -not lightly to give up. Protestant sets her forth nega- tively, and Catholic positively. "The Bible, and the Bible only, is therelig-ion of Protestants." To the Word and Testimony fhe Church of England refers ber members to examine if these things are so. She exhorts her mem- bers to adopt the practice of the Bereans -of old. The Evangelical is. in my humble opinion, the trueChurchman, and therefore lie is n'ot-a. dishonest Churchman. C. C. RTR.-In the Cambrian Netvs of last week, I noticed a letter under tbe above beading, by an anonymous writer, who signs bimseff Latimer (who, by the bye, nobody will mistake for the famous martyr Latimer). It is very evi- dent that bitter feelings have for a long time been accu- mulating m the writer's b-Tom, and at last %ve broken out in the form of a public letter, full of personal remarks and uncharitable sentiments so much so, that you, Mr Editor, crmsidered it your duty to give an explanation why you permitted such a cowardly letter to appear in your paper. It also requires some explanation on my part to show why I take up my pen to make any remarks upon his letter. I can give such explanation in few words. As I am the "'F,. D,wie"" who wrote the paragraph in Y Dywpsopaeth (with whin L >timer is so h-idignant) and as he addresses his letter to the author of the said para- graph, I feel it incumbent upon me to take some notice of his letter. After a deafi of talk about discretion and prudence" (Which qualities are sadly wanting in his epi-,tle), and informing the reader what some of the in. ternal improv-ements were; he then asks me, By whose authority and under whose sanction were these things d-ne I answer unhesitatingly :-By the authority and under the sanction of the vicar of the parish, and with the consent of all concernedsuch as the pewholúers in the chancel, and "those who used to sit in the west gallery. He then says he always understood that such things could -not be done withoutthe permisswn of the ordinary. Has that permission been -obtained?" I have -nothing to do with '"Latimer's" "unrkf standing." But let him prove that the ordinary's (Bishop's) permisskm is necessary in such matters-; and then it will be timf enough 'tor him to ask me whether such permission has been obtained or not. Then "Latimer" goes onto remark uponthe improvements in the manner in which Divine service is conducted, and the frequency of administering the Holy Ceaaamuriion—three times on Eas-fcer Sunday, ana once, if not twice, on every Sunday. He then asks, "Are these things rare improve- ments1" Are they not? 'Let me ask every, impartial Churchman, I-S it not better to have THE Lord's death shown forth every Sunday, than to have the same done once or twice "in the course oT two or three years, as was the Towyn ii-,e before the present vicar came there; or can the one sacrifice be presented to the Father too-often ? And are three'celebrations on Easter Sunday too much, to give an opportunity for everyone in the parish ts com- municate on that day, who by Canon xxi. are bound to do so ? And if they neglect it, surely it is the ^priest'* duty still to give them an opportunity of communicating at the most convenient time for them to do so. And let me in my turn ask Latimer if there were no corowsuriicants at each of these celebrations ? Then he casts a Tittle rIf his spleen on the choir, and the attempt at intoning." Would it not look better for a' Churchman of gooS-posi- tion to lend a 'helping hand, and to teach a little to what he calls "ludicrous singers" (although I can testify Ubat they do not-deserve the cognomen), than publicly to.criti- cize even an "attempt" at worshipping God in a proper manner, and according to the requirements of the Prayer Book of the Church of England ? But it seems that the things whiöhtrouble Tatimer-t-he most are the Gooff Friday services. He should like to'know what was the meaning of those services ? In reply, Tbeg to inform him that the supplementary Rervices were set apart for a solemn meditation on the sufferings of Christ, for which meditation the day is, and Always has been, 4Wt apart by the Chuwfch throughout t'he wol-ld. He compSaine of four hours being-too long to rmgirfinchureb. Would he consider four hours too long to be -spent in pleasure -or vanity-seeking on the above solemn day ? And would not the rebuke of our Biessed Saviour apply- well to Latimer'? Could'st thou not, watch with Me -one little hour?" Uk4es he consider the three hours' Agonywhiéh the "Mamof Sorrows" endured 'for our sakes OlD. -theacross too IOW-? But it has been truly said that— The world's view of pleasure and business is high, Its view of religion is low. I 0 cannot say whether the bell warn -tolled every five iriinutes or not, but If it was, I consider'it a -very proper thing, to remind the people of the solemnity of those hours, and of the awfulness of the event commemorated by tne faithful on thatAiay. He then asks where is the authority for such proceedings? Certainly-not in the Prayer Book." I answer that every Church Of England j priest is allowed to use-any services he pleases in church, after he has gone through those provided by-the Act of Uniformity, and provided such services do not contradict the teaehing- of the Bible and Prayer Book. And now I would fe.sk Latimer a few<questions. (a.) Were those ser- vices contrary to the teaching of the W<ilrd of,d? If not whydoes ne object to them ? (b.) Were they Popish ? T believe the Roman Catholics have a similar service on the same day but does 'that fact make our services Popish ? Is our Sacrament of Baptism Popish, because tie Roman Catholics administer it in a similser manner? Is ou-r creed Popish because the iRoman Cathotics are aecus- tomer] to recite and teach the same ? Ought we to wear clofpt because Roman Catholics wear shoes? Latimer next asks, Does the custom anywhere prevail in our Protestant Church ?" It is rather hard for me to -say where our Protestant Church may be found. Tf he me-mR'ijhe Catholic Church of England, why noteayso, and not cafi her our Protestant Church ?" I, in my turn, would like to ask him where is his authority for so calting her? C«rtaiiilly-Eot in the Praver Book. He then-speiks about the good Protestant people," being disgusted. 1kg he one of them ? Does he see nothing Pharisaical about the remark? Does he remember our Saviour's words, Why caHost tholi me good; there is none good save e- that is God:" He says th-se people (I suppose their right name is Dissenters and Nothingarians) are disgusted so were the Pharisees with our Saviour, so much so, that in the end they put 'Him to a shameflt1 death. Respecting Latimer". questions about the Rev. Mr Trewm. an, I will only qay that "To mind his own busi- ness is a motto well -worth his time to study and act upon. You inform us, Mr Editor, that Latimer is a Churchman of good position." I suppose he is one of those, about whom it has been well said- "Free and open," they bate they like chapel* that" pay:" So they cling to three-deckers and pews; Except to the rich, they have little to say, So the "Open and Free" they abuse. So the men who work hard in the Church's own way, They with slanderous venom assail; Against them with feminine spite they inveigh And pour out their womanish walL Now I have to say, that I merely answered Latimer's letter because it was addressed personally to me and I beg to sts-te that I must decline fit furtbereolrespondeBee with him ou the above subject.—Yours truly, E. DATISM. 4th May, 1871. [Both the letters which we publish this week are by members of the Church of England, and although they are b,,th so strongly-not to say violently-worded, we think it better to let them appear.—ED.]

A CONSERVERTIVE WORKING MAN'S SPEECH. The following letter appears in a Shropshire contem- porary :— DEAR SJR,-I saw it at a glance. The reason why Mr Wharton, the Conservative member for Durham, was re- turned is as plain as a pikestaff. It is quite astonishing how simple even a mystery becomes when it is explained and Mr Wharton's election was certainly among the "nut to be cracked" until that respectable old lady, the Standard, got it between her toothless gums, and succeeded in break- ing the shell, when out there dropped a Conservative working man, and the whole thing became as obvious as the sun at noonday. Mr Brown, of Boston-John Brown, I presume-has been making a speech at Durham, and he comes—or, rather, to be more correct, the conclusion has been forced the more working men think ilws umz* Conservative they become. I am sorry I don't know Mr Brown, but if ever he should leave off "delving" for a day or two (he hns been at this laborious work ever since he was fourteen or fifteen years of a.ge) I should so like to see him and if he will come to Shrewsbury he will find, I believe, one other thinking working man there-at least, Mr Straight, the Shrewsbury junior member, will find him—and then we could have tea together. It would be so nice to have tea with two Conservative working men, one having made a speech for a successful candidate, the other having been pu1 licly thanked for his services under the most gratifying circumstances. If each of these two working men whohave began to think-which is equivalent, according to Mr Brown, to becoming Conservatives—could only arrange to marry into the other's family, we might in time }ia-?e a race of thinking working men—that is, a race of Conservative working men. The more worr ing men begin to think for themselves, the more they will Conservatives. So Mr Brown says, and far be it from me to say that Mr Brown is wrong. Just fancy how few thinking work ng men there are in this country, according to Mr Brown's way of reckoning, which is as follows Every thinking working man is a Conservative. Only two Conservative working men have ye«t been discovered—one in the county of Shropshire and another in the county of Durham-and. consequently, there are only two thinking working men in England who hive yet been found out. Now, really, Mr Brown—I ■don't know the Shropshii-e man's name-it is too bad of you two working men to monopolize all the thought to -yoilir two selves, and I will prove at once that you have I'made a mistake. I am a Liberal working man, and I think for myself. In order to prove that I think for my- self. I'll tell you what I think. I tbinkthatyou. Mr Brown, of Bost n, and that other man in Shropshire, whose name I don't know, are a fA-iple of fo Is. I may he wrong, and. for your sakes, I hope I am but whenever I read of any- one who calls himself a working man saying he is Con- servative, I f. el a little bit suspicious and when that self-styled working man has the impudence to insult English working men by coupling their names with Red Republicanism aud desires for robbery, confiscation, and the dethronement of the Queen, out of pitying charity I think him a fool, rather than stamp him as a knave, who longs for the evils he pretends to deprecate. No man, be he Conservative working man or Conservative peer, has a right, by inference, to charge the working men of this country with disloyalty and, injurious to working men as Conservatism i. they would be sorry to think that even Conservatism had sunk so low as to find it necessary to use such tools as Mr Brown, who i? indebted for a whole skin to the love of peace and order which prevails among the class in whose'faces he hurled his foul calumnies and dis- graceful inuendoes. Working men have refused, it is true, to return Mr Odger to Parliament for the very faults which Mr Brown proved he possessed to a far greater degree than Mr Odger. They have repudiated Mr Odger with a prudent thoughtfulness which proves, if it proves anything, that working men not only think, but act on their thoughts; and when they send a working man to Parliament ;it will be neither Mr Odger n r Mr Brown. "Order, "Progress," Reform," are the watchwords of the daily-increasing numbers of working men, who are not only able to think out the great pro'blems of Liberalism, but who are able to write and speak upon then- and in spite of all that Conservative working men like Mr Brown, and the rabid Tories who employ him, can do by instigating Revolution, Red Republicanism, and Dethrone- ment, there is every bope that as long as there are men like Gladstone, Bright, Forster, Mill, Fawcett, and a bost of others, their designs will be utterb futile and as educa- tion spreads, and the power to think becomes developed among the masses of the people, the march of reform will increase in rapidity and sweep, so that Conservatism will find it necessary to increase its pace very con-iderablv in order to keep near enough on the heels of progress even to enable it to act as a drag. What is Conservatism but Liberalism of the past ? and Liberalism itself is nothing more than the Con- servatism of the future and to tell worki g men that thought will make them Conservative is to tell them that th-v will learn to long for the times to return when their bodies were at the disposal of feudal lords, the times when they could not own an acre of ground, and dare not marry without the consent of their mas er it is to tell them that they will long for the times when they had no rights, and were merely reckoned as goods and chattels the times when they were compelled to obey laws they had no voice in making, and were forced to suffer wrongs they had no means of repressing. A thinking Conserva- tive working man is an anachronism, and no greater proofcanioe given of absence of thought on the part of a working man in the present state of English society than to say he is a Conservative. Laws still exist on the Statcte-book which must be repealed before working men cea.setd be regarded as beings inferior to some others in the natiort; and there are monopolies of education, privi- lege, and law by wealth, which have to be swept away before that theoretical acknowledgment of all her Majesty's subjects being equal becon es a practical fact. Justice in 'England is still a luxury, frequently to be ob- t tained only "by the rich. and wealth has still more power than merit in conferring high place. There are limi- tatitaw and disabilities to be g t rid of which are now dis- creditable, but which would be disgraceful if the people were not steadily marching onward to their abolition. Liberalism has accomplished almost incredible victories during the past fifty years, but there still remains much to be -done, and the sooner working men rise to their work and supplement the labours of the great and good men, who spend their lives for the advancement of truth and the spread- Of political freedom, which is one of its first effects. the sooner shall we have done with the worse—far wi(irse-ihary. foolish jabbtrinof men like Mr Brown, who stamp a.11 working men who are not Conservatives as robbere and-movers of sedition. Mr Brown stamps advo- cates of Liberalism as spouting demagogues who make a living out of the Liberal cause; but," he goes on to say, "people are snow beginning to think for themselves, and the more tbey-do so the more will they become Conserva- tives." They will not become spouting demagogues of sedition, ibut tlegant expounders of order and progress on a Conservative patternifyUag sight' I would scorn to say that Conservative working men are paid for their Conservatism, but whenam.,n is so ready to stamp all his class as diteionest he should try to remember that he himself M one-of its members, for Mr Brown claims to be a workkig man, however little he wstentitled to the name. We all know -that there is a sense in which every man is a working man, jmd if Mr Brown and others have a mind to disgrace the • Jiame by adopting it, there is nothing to be done by working men but to wait until they reveal themselves through the disguise which they have put on for purposes -not of the most unquestionable character. Yours &c., Z.

STATIONS OF THE BRITISH ARMY. FOR MAY. When two places are mentioned, the last-named is that at which the depot is stationed. CAVALRV. 30th, Dublin. list Life Guards, Windsor. [31st, Malta Ourragh. 2bd Do., Regent's fsark. 32nd, Cape of Good Hope :RCO'yal Horse Guards, Hycto Park Edinburgh. 1st Dragoon Gds., Newbridge. rd, Alder-shot. ■Sad Do., Colchester. 34th, Shornciiffe. "3rd Do., Aldershot. !35th, Newcas&e-on-Tyne. 4th Do., Manchester. |36th, B-ngal; Curragh. 6thf9o., Leeds. f37th, Bengal; Belfast. QthiSo., Dundalk. i38tb, Bengal; Aldershot. ;7th:Do., Maidstone. 39th, Bengal; Chatham. IsttDragoons, BallincoBiu. ¡40th, Curragh. 2nd.De-, Dublin. 41st, Bengal; Fermoy. 3rd Huesars, Bombay; York. '42nd, Aldershot. ■ithtDo.. Bengal; Dublin. 43rd, Fermoy. Sth Lancers, Bengal; .Ald.8mhoti44th, Curragh. ■€thDragoons, Cahir. [45 h, Madras; Aldershot. 7th Hussars, York. l46th, Winchester. fcth Do ;]^jiblin. 47th, Limerick. Sth Lancers, Aldershot. 48th, Malta; Chatham..J 10th Hussars, Houns'ow. 49th, Bombay Gosport. 1 llt& Do,, :Bengal; Hounslow. 50th, Aldershot. 12th Lancer-s, Aldershot. 51st, Curragh. 13th Hussars, Edinburgh. 52nd, Malta Fermoy. ,14th Do,, Calhir. 63rd, Bermuda Aiderahot. 15th Do., Booebay; Edinburgh. 54th, Curragh. 16th Lancers, Madras; Alder- 55th, Bengal; Newry. shot. 56th, Bombay; Curragh. 17th Do.. Longford. 57th, Devonport. 18th Hussars, Madras; Cahir. 58th, Bengal; Dublin. 19th Do., Canterbury. 58th, Bombay Limerick. 20th Do., Bengal Canterbury. 60bla, 1st bat., Canada; Col- 21st Do., Bengal; Canterbury. Chester. Mofr,GU-t-RDS. 2nd, Bengal; Colchester. Grenadier Guards— 3rd, Madras; Colchester. 1st bat., Windsor. 4th, Colchester. 2nd bat.. Dublin. 61st ATova Scotia; Jersey. 3rd bat., Wellington Bar. ö2nd, :Benal; Curragh. Coldstream Guards— 63rd, Bengal; Devonport. 1st bat., Tower. 64th, Malta; Curragh. 2nd bat., Chelsea.. f5th, Bengal; Fermoy. Scots Fusilier Guards- 66th, Bombay Winchester 1st bat., Wellington Bar 67th, Doser. 2nd bat., Chelsea. 68th, Templemore. INFANTRY. G9th, Bermuda; Canterbury. 1st Foot, 1st bat., Warley. 2nd 70th, Dublin. bat., Bengal; Warley. 71st, Gibraltar Cork. 2nd, 1st bat., Bombay Devon- 72nd, Bengal; Cork. port. 2nd bat., Devonport. 73rd, Ceylon; Newcastle-on- 3rd 1st bat., Bengal; Shorn- Tyne. cliffe. 2nd bat., Shornciiffe. 74'h, Gibraltar; Aldershot. 4th, 1st bat., Aldershot. 2nd 75th, Hong Kong Devonport. bat., Chester. 76th, Burmah Chatham. SUL, 1st bat., Bengal; Glasgow. 77th, Portsmouth. 2nd bat., Glasgow. 78th, Nova Scotia; Aberdeen. 6th, 1st bat., Bengal; Butte. 79th, Madras; Aldershot. wsnt. 2nd bat., Buttevant. 80 h, Belfast. 7th, 1st bat., Portsmouth. 2nd 81st, Gi,braltar; Colchester. bat, Portland. 82Dói, Portsmouth. 8th, £ st bat., Bombay; Man-83rd, Bombay; Chatham. Chester. 2no bat., Manchester. 84th, Fermoy. 9th, let bat., Dublin. 2nd bat., 85th, Bengal Tenplemore. Aldershot. 86th, Cape; Curragh, 10th, 1st bat., Japan; Dublin. 87th, Malta; Chatham. 2 d bat., Madras Aldershot 88th, Gosport. 11th, 1st bat., Bengal; Dublin. 89th, Madras Aldershot. 2nd bat., Dublin. 90th, Edinburgh. 12th, 1st bat., Preston. 2nd 91st, Aldershot. bat., Bengal; Preston.. 92n.d, Bengal; Aberdeen. 13th, 1st bat., Gibraltar; Pem- 93rd, Aberdeen. broke. 2nd bat, Pembroke 94th, Aldershot. 14th, 1st bat., Bengal; Sheffield. 95th, Gosport. 2nd bat., Sheffield. 96th, Bengal; Shornciiffe. 15th, 1st bat., Birr. 2nd bat., 97th, Mullingar. Jersey. 98th, Curragh. 16th, 1st bat., Newry. 2nd bat., 99th, Parkhurst. Canterbury. 100 h, Fury. 17th, 1st bat., Bengal; Alder- iolst Aldershot. shot, ndbat., ditto. 102nd, Dover. 18th, 1st bat., Curragh. 2nd 103rd, Parkhurst. bat., Devonport. 104th, bengal; Aldershot. 19th. 1st bat., Bengal; Chatham 105th, Bengal; Curragh. 2nd bat., Bengal; Chatham. 106th, Bengal; Kinsale. 20th, 1st bat., Cork. 2nd bat., 107th, Bengal; Aldershot. Mauritius; Cork. 108th, Bombay Dublin. 21st, 1st bat., Madras; Newport. 109th, Bengal; Preston. 2nd bat., Burmah Chatham. Rifle Brigade— 22nd, 1st bat., Kinsale. 2nd 1st bat., Woolwich. bat., Aldershot. 2nd bat., Dover. 23rd, 1st bat., Newport. 2nd 3rd bat., Beneal; Woolwich. bat., Chatham. 4th bat., Shornciiffe. 24th, 1st bat., Malta; Chatham. Depot Battalion, Chatham. 2nd bat., Madras Chatham. Army Ser Corps, Westminster. 25th, 1st bat., Gosport. 2nd COLONIAL CORPS. bat., Bengal Gosport. 1st West India Regt., Jamaica. 26th, Bengal; Parkhurst. 2nd Do., Demerara. 27th, Colchester. Ceylon Rifle Regiment, Ceylon 28th, Gibraltar Portsmouth. Royal Malta Fencible Artillery 29th, Barbadces Portsmouth. Malta, i

art i¡uutntartt. HOUSE OF LORDS.—THURSDAY. The House sat for a short time, but the proceedings were with- out particular interest. HOUSE OF COMMONS.—1THURSDAY. After a few minor notices and questions had been disposed of, Mr M. TORRENS moved that the income-tax, proposed to be levied at the rate of 6ri. in the pouud, be reduced to 5d. He argued that the inconie-t ix would cast an undue burthen on one class. He suggested the suspension of the payments on account of annuities as a substitute, to make up the de£iclt.r Vi HITF. seconded the amt ndment, and another discussion of intermin- able length ensued.—The undesirable character of the tax was generally admitted, but its necessity was acknowledged by several speakers.—The division was" as follüws: For the am ndment, 24S; against, 294; majority for tte Goverm- ment, 46. HOUSE OF LORDS.-FRIDAY. Their Lordships met at five o'clock. The Earl of CARNARVON, in moving for some returns showing the force of artillery in England, pointed out that the experi- ments of the late important campaign proved beyond all dispute that the decision of battles in the future would depend upon the force and efficiency of the artillery employed. He complained that our artillery resources were far below the proportion adopted by Continental armies. After some discussion, Lord NORTHBROOK said the necessity for inereasng the forces of artillery had not escaped the attention of the Government, and provision had been taken in the estimates for the present year to raise the field force at home to three hundred guns, of the peace establishment, capable of being at once expan led to 430 guns, and it was also intended to pay great attention to he instructors of militia and volunteer artillery for garrison duties. He showed that our peace establishment fo'r field batteries was very slightly below the war complement of the Prussian army. In reply to Lord Packhurst, The Earl of CAMrERDOWN said it was not true that and demand for the payment of certain bills of Captain Buruoyne had been made upon the Admiralty, or by it referred to Mr. Burgoyne. It was one of the regulations cf the service that if the officers provided a band it shoul'1 be done at their cost, without any liability to the Admiralty. He did not see that any acceptance could be made in this case, but it was intended to compensate Mrs Burgoyne, who wouli have to pay this de- mand, by making her a grant of £210 out of the sum allowed to captains in iuruishing their ships, and this sum had already been paid to her.

SAFETY OF DR LIVINGSTONE. Earl GRANVILLE announced that a despatch had been read at the Foreign Office confirming the safety of Dr. Livingstone. (Cheers). Supplies had been sent to him, and in the meantime the Arab traders had relieved his wants. The House adjourned at 8 5. ROUSE OF COMMONS.—FRIDAY. The Speaker took the chair at four o'clock. Mr CORRY gave notice that on going into Committee of Supper on the Naval Estimates, he will call attention to the evidence taken by the Select Committee of the House of Lords on the Board of Admiralty. Mr WHITE gave notice that on going into Committee of Supplv, on Fridav next, he will call attention to the inexpe- S diency of paying instalments of the National Debt out of money- derived from taxes on the first necessaries of life. SIR. R.BLENNERHASSETT asked the Under Secretary for Foreign Affairswhetheranycorresponder.ee took place between the Eng- lish Government and the Governments of France. Austria, Prussia, and the smaller German States, in reference to the demand made in August, ISW, by the French Government on the Cabinet i f Berlin to cede to France the fortress of Mayence and a portion of the Rhenish provinces of the Prussian monarchy, and whether he would lay such corres!)ondence on the table. Lord ENFIELD stated that during the summer of 1867 rumours were current that such demands had been made n conveyance of the aggrandisement of Prussia. These rumours had since subsided, and there was no correspondence on the subject. In reply to Mr Pim, Lord ENFIELD stated that no convention had been signed with the United States, but if it were determined that a mixed Com- mission should assemble to adjudicate upon the claims of British merchants for losses by 1 he destruction of their pro- perty by American citizens during the late civil war in America, due notice would be given to all parties, in ordertha* they might substantiate their claims. In replv to a hon. member, Mr GLADSTONE stated that during the absence of Sir Charles Rutherford Alcock, the English Minister at Pekin, on leave, provision was made for the discharge of the duties attaching to his office by the appointment of Mr Wade as Charge d'Affaires, Mr Wade was a person in every way qualified to fill the post. In answer to Mr Maguire, The Marquis of HARTINGTON said it was true that some un- authorized persons who had got hold of census forms had wrongfully filled them up, and returned them to the authorities in certain districts of Galwav, but the matter was being en- quired into, and the offenders would be brought to justice. In reply to Mr. Kennawav, Mr GOSCHEN said it was not intended under the Rating and Local Government Act to supersede the function of the Union Assessment Committee. Some discussi n took place on a mot on for enquiry into the operation of the Poor-law, by Mr W. H. SMITH, but the motion was eventuallv withdrawn. Mr CHARLEV moved for a Select Committee to enquire into the best means of preventing the destruction of children put out for nurse bv hire. Mr BIIUCE assented to the motion, believing that the system of baby farming was pernicious. Some other businefB was transacted, and the House ad- journed at 1 15. HOUSE OF LORDS —MONDAY. The circumstance that the University Tests Bill was the fi-st measure on the order of the House, produced a large attendance of the Peers, the Opposition benches being somewhat better filled than those on the Mini,terial side of the House. When the two first sections of the Bill had been sanctioned bv the Com- mittee, the Marqu:s of SALI BURY moved a new clunse requiring all tutors, professors, &c., to make a declaration that they will teach nothing contrary to the truth as revealed in the Old and New Testaments. The noble lord asserted that the que-tion raised by this Bill wag not one hetween Churchmen and Dissen- ters, but one between Christianity and unbelief or atheism; and drew a terrible picture of the xtent to which the belief of young men at the universities might be disturbed or destroyed unless some security was taken for the soundness of the Christianity of ,h their te chers.—The Earl of KIMBERLY, in opposing the clause. denied the existence of the perils to which Lord Salisbury had referred, and asserted that if they did exist they would not be in any degree met by this proposal; and these were the points upon which the subsequent discussion mainly turned.- The clause which was supported by t-e Bisho s of G-LOCCESTEK and LIN- COLN, Lord CARNARVON, Lord BEAUCHAMP, and Lord HABROWBY, was opposed by the Archbishop of YORK, and the Bishops of OXFORD, CARLISLE, and MANCHESTER, Lord WESTBURV, Lord LAN.DOWNE, and the Duke of SOMERSET. When their lordships divided, it was carried by a majority of only 5—71 to 66, a result which was warmly cheered by the supporters of the Government. -An amendment moved by Lord SALISBURY on clause 3, except- iug the headships of colleges from the operations of the Bill, was accepted by a majority of 8-57 to 43.—A third amendment, providing that no statute or ordinance requiring membership of the Church of England as a qualification for the holding of any offiee shall be repealed, except by the authority of Parliament, secured a majority of only two, being carried by 56 by 54,-Some other alterations were made in subsequent clauses, but no more divisions were taken, and, after passing the Bill through CAœ- mittee, advancing various measures a stage, their lordships adjourned at a late hour. HOUSE OF COMMON'S.—MONDAY. In reply to questions, of which notice had been given by Sir R. Anstruther, Mr C. Reed, and others, the ParME MINISTER, after fixing the second reading of the Wet-tmeath Crime and Outrage Bill for a morning sitting on Friday, announced that the Government intend to withdraw the Local Rating Bills and the Licensing Clauses of the Licensing Bill, retaining the Police Clauses of the latter measure. This intimation was received with warm expressions of satisfaction from both sides of the House, bat the cheers wiih which it was greeted were not so lou-1 as those which rose from the Liberal benches when the Premier promised that the Ballot Bill should be pressed forward next to the Army Ree dation Bill. Besides these the Govern- ment hope to pass the Scotch Education Bill, the Lectionary Bill, possib'y the Lord Chancellor's Bill, and perhaps the Metropolis Water Bill, the Mines Regulation Bill, ihe Pilotage Bill, and the Merchant Shipping Bill. The Income Tax and In- habited House Duties Bill passed through Committee without opposition, only Mr HUNT making some observations upon the inconvenience of reading Bills a second time betore they had been printed. When the House was asked to go into Committee upon the Army Regulation Bill, Colonel ANSON, in a speech of considerable length, moved a resolution affirming that, if the Purchase System is to be abolished, in order to secure the authority of the State over the officers of the army and in justice to the offlcerg themselves, the regulation value of their com- missions onght to be at once returned to them.-The motion, which was seconded by Col inel BABTTELOT, was resisted by Captain VIVIAN, on the ground that the Bill as it stands does complete justice to the officers, and that to yield that which was asked by the gallant member for Bewdley would saddle the country with an unnecessary burden, and would at the same time give to officers far more than that to which they are en- titled. The debate which ensued, and lasted up to midnight was of a highly technical character, and to the unprofessional auditor presented few features of interest. Colonel Knox created some amusement by asserting that Sir H. Storks after putting an end to our connection with the Ionian Islands, and destroying Governor Eyre, was about to destroy the profession of which he was himself a member; and when General Herbert, failing to discover in the measure a provision, the existence of wbich had been asserted by Mr Cardwell, flung the Bill across the table to that right hon. gentleman; and the Secretary for War, after reading the words which he hai had in his mind, cast back "the print" to his adversary with a gesture of triumph, there was a ringing cheer from the Treasury bench, and a good deal of laughter from all parts of the House. The result of the division was the rejection of Colonel Anson's amendment by a majority of 63-260 to 187. Major ARBUTHNOT having moved the adjournment and a division having been called, Mr Disraeli rose from his place and walked towards the Speaker's chair. The friends' of the Government thinking that he was abont to leave the House cheered him waxmly but the laugh was turned against them when the right hon. gentleman quietlv seated him- self by General Herbert, and remained to divide with his supporters. This was afterwards described by Mr BENTINCK as a nantic and violent attempt to leave the House, which. failing for the moment, was speedily repeated with success, Mr Disraeli having left the House as soon as the division was over. The motion for adjournment was negatived by a majority of 65-243 to 178- Thereupon Major JERVIS moved the adjou-nment and this was rejected by a maJonty of 96 —223 to 127. The proposal to adjonm the debate was renewed by Colonel KNOX with no better success, being nega.t7ived bv a majority of 102—207 to 105 Two more divisions were taken with simihr results and the Mr Gladstone gave way, and allowed the debate to be adjourned till Thursday. The final motion was made by Mr KNIGHT, wh", imitating an example set by Sr W. Bagge, poinledly refeed to the Prime Minister as the right hon. member for Greenwich." When the other orders had been disposed of the Howe ad- ouraed. HOUSE OF LORDS. -TUESDAY. Their Lordships met at five o'clock. The Earl of KIMBERLEY laid on the table a Bill for the Con- federation 01 the Leeward (West Indies) Islands, which was read a first time. TheRarr.of AIRLIE moved the second reading of theworkshtips Regulation Act (1867) Amendment Bill, explaining that its ob- ject was to relieve members of the Jewish religion Irom the Penalties of the Act, when working in their own residences on Sundays. After a short discussion, in which Lord Jfigerton, Lord Lifford, and Barl Granville took part, the Bill was read a second time. The Presbyterian Church of Ireland Bill ana the Primitive Wesleyan Methodists Society of Ireland Regulation Bill passed through committee.. The Earl of ROSEBERRY, after refemnR at some length to the altered position of the Established Church ef Scotland, in con- sequence of the secessions which had at times occurred from that body, and especially a luding to the case of disputed patronage at Queensferry, asked if tne Government intended to bring in during the present session a measure dealing with the law of Ecclesiastical Patronage m Scotland. The Marquis of HCNTLEY said the General Assemb'y would probably give it& decision on this question next week The question was one of great local importance in Scotland. The great portion of tbe proprietors left the exercise of their patron- age to their factors or bailiffs, and this being the case he did not see why the law should not be altered and the patronage given to the parishioners. The Duke of ARGYLE said the Government had no intention of bringing in a Bill on this subject during the present session. If patronage was abolished he for one would not accept a single farthingof indemnity. Lord Bi'CKHURST moved a humble address praying that her Majesty would be graciously pleased to consider the case of Mrs Burgoyne, with a view to her relief from the liabilities thrown am off through the toss of the Captain. The Earl of CAMPEKDOWN, after remarking that it was impos- sible to make tuis an exceptional case, said tli" Admiralty J would take it into the most favourable consideration and in the meantime, as the motion would create a most undesirable prece- Jent, he trusted thit it would be withdrawn. The motion was withdrawn. j The House adjourned at 6 50. HOUSE OF COMMONS, TUESDAY. The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock. In reply to Mr WIIALLEY, Mr C. FORTESCTE stated that he saw no reason for instituting any further inquiry into the question of private bill legislation, In renly to Mr BAII.LIE COCHRANE, ^r GO>CHEN said his attention had been drawn to a statement in the public press as to the demand of from £ 40'i to £ 500 made on Mrs Burgoyne for certain expenses incurred by Caprain Bur- goyne in his official capacity. It was not correct that such a demand had been made upon MrsBurgo- ne. A sum of £ 210 had been paid to Mrs Buvgoyne, not in part pavment of these demands, but in consideration of the loss she had incurred. In reply to Mr WiiALLEY, who asked whether the Government were prepared favourably to consider the proposal to app'y the surplus revenues of the Irish Church to the relief of the expen- diture called for to suppress outrage and consp racy in Ireland. Mr GLADSTONE said the idea was an original one. and it had not been considered but he was afraid that any consideration it might receive would be of an unfavourable character. In reply t<> Lord R. MONTAGUE, Lord ENFIELD said the Government had received telegraphic information of the signing of a treaty with the United States respecting the claims arising out of the late war, but they were not able to furnish its contents. In answer to Mr CHARLES REED, Mr MONSELL stated that the promised inquiry into Sunday labour at the department of the Post-office would comn, nee at once, and would be continued by the Earl of Dalhousie, Sir George Grey, and himself. In reply to Mr CARTER, Mr W. E. FORSTER stated, with refer;. ,c the restrictions upon the imp rtation of foreign ca Ie, that Ge-man cattle had been put in the same position as they were in before the war. In reply to Mr MAGUIRE, Mr MONSELL Stsited that the charge for Post-office orders of exactly 12 and exactly £ 0 had been increased framed, to 4d. and 5d. to 6d., and the charge for orders for El to £ 2. and for P-4 to £5, and for £ 7 to SIO, remained as it was. The charge for all other orders was reduced, and the total amount of the reduction was £:?9,500 a-year. THE DISESTABLISHMENT DEBATE. Mr MIALL moved that it is expedient fot the earliest practicable period to app'v the policy initiated by the disestablishment of the Irish Church bv the Act o' 1869 to the other churches est"bïhed b: law in the Uni'ed Kingdom. He denied b< in? actuated by any n-rrcw or sectarian pdicy. H'- knew that the House very much disliked abstract resolutions, but it would be follv for a private member to intro- duce a Bill with any hope of carrying it. His o' ject, ho.vever, was simply to ascertain how far the House was disno-ed 11 apply to other liarts (if the United Kingdom the which it had already applied to Ireland. He disclaimed any]<:nd of hostility to partieul ir chnrche = or to a par'ieu'ar church p"r!y. either Episcopalian nr Presbyterian. On the eomrarv, he brcartIly wished them God speed on their respective spiritual missions, lie abstained from renting his proposition upon religious grounds. In olden times a State Church was originated for the purpose of christianizing the whole of tlie country. The national Church. in the idea of its fo:mders. w:;s intended to secure national unifor- mity of belief and worship, and national identity of relicioag teaching, and hence came'the exclusiveenjoyin^n' ofthe national resources. But the ex:stintr state of things in these i-ays <■ ag utterly incomnatible with this ideal, and it now became a ques- tion whether, the original purpose, meaning, and smrii of the old State Chnrch system having evaporated, we did w'e'l to tie our- selves to the form= of a State Church, and the mnel-inerv provided by the law fur maintaining it. The Church of England had no existence now in fact. She was not the national Church, because she couid not comprehend within her ministrations the entire body rf tVe r,, o, le of the country. All the resources, and all the honours of the country, she appropri«ted to herself and kent in her own handc but she was not the nntionsl Church in the sense of quickening and eivins expression to the relicious senti- ments of the people nor had the State built the chur -hes or en- dowed them. although it had absorbed them into its system. It was intended to he the church of the nation, but in rea itv it was not the cl)ii-(-b of one half of the nation. In fact its nationality was very little m re than R lecal fiction He nr^ed that hv maintai- intr a State Church, and the exclusiveness which it involved, the country had lost in renut-ilion and influence. Then, again, an esesseni-ial injustice was involved in taking one ehurcli from many, giving her a political ascendancy, and endowing her with pn- perty which belonged to the whole people in their corporate capacity. At .this moment more than one-half of the popuia- tion was placed in a position inferior to that which was occupied by the other, and naturally they felt that they were humiliat-ed in respect to that which they regarded as their in. intestable right, when they witnessed resources which were c: linon to both applied to the sustent-ition of religious institution -which were connee'ed with the weaker of the two. The exist net of the State Church. moreover, was produc'ive of great sdcia1 mis- chief, and that mischief recoiled on the Church herself, which, in consequence, had been placed in a position of discomfort. The atmosphere she breathed was oppressive she yearned after more liberty, and she had realized 'he fact that she was not free to do her work with satisfaction to her own conscience. In con- clusion, Mr Miall glared -it the possibl- future of the country, and the political conflict that seemed impending, and implored the House not to regard his resolution as one of merely sp-enlv tive interest, but as a vital importance to the future well-being. of the country. Mr J. D. LEWIS (Devonport) seconded the motion. Mr BRI CE said there were two ways of looki g at the motion, viz., in reference to its opportunities, and in regard to its sub- ject matter. He denied that the Government in dealinsr with the lri-h Church had any intention of indicating a wish to deal subsequently with the Church in England. The Irish Church was in a peculiar position; it was regarded as a svin'-ol and badge of conquest, aud it was felt by the Government that no suecessfu1 effort could be made to avert the dangers which threatened the empire by the disaffection of Ire'and uniess steps were first taken to remove this cause of discontent but in this country there was no feeling of humiliation or anger at the existence of the Established Church, and there was not the same n' cessity for dealing with the subject. He denied that the Church of England ever attempted to stifle free discussion upon religious subjects. On the contrary, she was tolerant of all and seeing that she had already (lone much for the well-being of the country, and had still much to do, he did not think it was advisable, in the present state of the public feel- ing, to assent to the abstract resolution moved by the hon. mem- ber for Br dfurd. Sir R. PALMER sa'd that if the Church was a me e religious body, enjoying- exceptional advantages and privileges, it could not stand, even though its religion was professed by a majority of the people. But it was something more than a mere religious bodv. It rested on a basis of the purest re'igion, it possessed a real vitality of its own, and it was intimately connected with the constitutional and social institutions of the countrv; and as long as it possessed its present vitality.its earnest spirit," and its broad enlightened liberty, and as long as it was proved to t>e a most valuable instrument for rt-ligious and social government it would be most unwise and impolitic to hastily determine upon the separation of th,, Church from the State. He believed that as long as the Church of England discharged these important functions, as long as it manifested the same energy in the cause of religion and education, even dissenters would admit that it was a most valuable adjunct to the State, not only on behalf of those who professed its religion, but acted as "a most useful stimulus upon those who differed from it; who. in spite of political differences, were every day, in their formul ries, their architecture, and theirhabitsofthought, drawing closer and closer to it whilst, on the other hand, the energy and earnestness of the dissenting bodies exercized a most valuable reac ion upon the Church in keeping up its zeal and uti itv. Bevond this, especially towards the poor in the rural distfic's, the Chnrch clergy discharged duties which no other body was in a position to perform. The proposal of the hon. member would tear up English society by the roots, and instead of destroying such aa insti uiion, which was doing service to society of the most in estimable value, they ought rather to rejoice at the progress it and many other valuable institutions had made, which it would be impossible now to create. He had no sympathy with a pro- fession of Liberal opinion, the only object of which was to destroy upon theoretical and abstract grounds, without bestowing the slightest considerations upon the benefit the institution which they would destroy was conferring upon the country at large. Hethen pointed out that in the poor, populous districts of the large towns theChurch organization was domgmore in providing schools, churches, and religious instructors than the dissenting bodies It was emphatically the church of the poor, and he protested as strongly as he could on behalf of the poor agii- st destroying such an organization for mere theoretical arguments. He then argued that the existence of an Established Church in connec- tion with but under the cintrol of the State promoted the exis- tence of civil and religious liberty, which under voluntary denominations had a tendency to result in the arbitrary tyranny of the ruling bodies or individual clergy. In conclusion, he contended that no case, either as retards public policy or ex- pediency had been made ou^gainst the Church, and appealed to the House to reject a motion which would destroy an insti- tution so intimately colinected with the social "and daily life of the people, and was discharging civil, religious and social duties that no other body could supply, and by so doing inflict incalculable injury upon the highest interest of the coun ry. Mr RICHARD strongly supported the motion. He condemned the Church of England as a social anomaly, and a political institu- 9J1*. He was animated with no feeling of hostility to it as a relipous body, but he believed that it would be by far tbe best for its religious interests if it was separated from the State He then referred te the case of Wales, in which the Church of England had never, from its earliest days, discharged the func- tions which it especially claimed and professed to discharge and where it wa- crushed out of its existence mainly bv reason of its connection with the State. He firmly believed that if the Church of England WrtS freed from ite trammels, and, instead of relying upon the support of the State,. relied upon the voluntary support and affection of the people, it would regain its former bold upon the religious feelings of the people, and would extend its utility, and greatlv promote its dignity and influence Mr SCOURFIELD defended the landholders in Wales from the imputation of being indifferent or hostile to the religious inter- ests of the people. He opposed the motion, believing that it was essential for the religious liberty and interests of the laity that the State should have control over the church. Mr WATKIN WILLIAMS earnestly supported the resolution, which was strongly opposed by Dr BALL. Mr LEATHAM supported the motion and warned the Govern- ment of the results of their policy on this question. Mr DISRAELI álHld that the motion was entirely witnont precedent in the annalsof Parliament, and looking at the reac- tion which bad taken plaee after the disestablishment of the Church of^England under the Commonwealth thev were bound to be cautious in the steps they now took. Thev were told to look at the results in those countries in which the Church had been disestablished, but he would ask them to consider what those results had been in France. Had the dissolution of the Church and State in France resulted in religions liberty or given stability to the institutions of Government ? No; it had culminated in the pious and learned Archbishop of Pans lying in the dungeons of the Red Republicans. He was constrained to agree that the logical result of the steps they tooK two years ago would be the disestablishment of the Church m Scotland and England but fortunately they were not governed in this country by logic, but by Parliamentary rhetoric; 8-nd if it had not been f-o, the country would long since have been erased f. om existence as a nation. It was rather too early to speak of the results of disestabiiWMBRt in Ireland but he was inclined to regard it with dismay, when he saw that whilst the Archbishop of Paris was in the hands of the Red Republi- cans, the Archbishop of Dublin was excommunicated by an assembly of Protestants. Again, they were told that there was a great public agitation but he regarded that as a bugbear. True it was that the quarrel was an old one, coming down from the time of the Puritans, who had political reasons for their hostility to the political disabilities under which they laboured. All that had now been altered, and the dissenters had no political, religious, or social grievances to complain of. He regretted to find that within i-h* Church itself these "iews were supported by an ultra-sacredotal party, who would soon find out the error of their ways; but he believed that a majority of the House of Commons would not yield to the demanig of a few revolutionary philoso- phers and doctrinaires, and would affirm that it was desirable that the State should maintain some religious expression in close connection with it, and refuse to saciifiee one of the most ancieat and valuable institutions of the oouatry. He wag especially astonished at the utter absence of any attempt on the part of those who supported the motion to prove that there was a popu- lar outcry against the Church, and anything like a general de- mand for its separation from the S'ate. His opinion on the feel- ings of the people of England was totally different, and full, endorsed the noble description of the Church in the rural dis- tricts as given by the right hon. member for Richmond. He was astonished that the hon. member for Bradford, in- stead of appealing to facts, was obliged to resort to the blue b oks for arguments. After setting forth in eloquent terms the utility, the influence, and the benefits conferred by the Church of England throughout the country districts, he asked if the House was prepared to sacrifice such an institution, after 200 years of enlightened toleration, which was a proof rather of its liberality and comprehensiveness than a reason for its de- struction. The Church of England by its seal and earnestness ww gradually recovering its position and with the spread of education [Continvd Qn the eighth page.)