Seren Cymru

EGEWYSIG. ■: V :ywjvr Vj5f?ir AflBYSG YN NGHYMRU. 11. 'Yiw y Times am dydd G-wener, Mai 9 fed, t, W Ii deputation appointed by the Baptist, Inde- pendent, arid Calvinistic Methodist bodies, in North °^d Sottth Wales, had an interview with the Lord '^resident and Vice-President, at the Privy Council- the subject of Education in Wales." The deputation was introduced by Mr. jl. A. Bruce, M.P¡., and consisted of Mr. T. Wil- '"anas, Abardare; the Rev. W. Ambrose, fort I Wadoc, Mr. S. Jones, 'Bala; Mr. T. Gee, Den- Jones, Llanfyllin Rev. G. Davies, Aberystwyth Rev. J. M. Pryddereh, Llanarth Rev. D. Morgan, Blaenavon Rev. T. Price, Aber- ire Rev. j. Davies, Aberaman Rev. O. Evans, eram tendon j Rev. D. Roberts, Carnarvon Mr. D. E. ,WiHiarasj Hirwaun; Rev. W; Roberts, Blaina 5 ^ff. H. Owen, London Mr. J. Griffith, London Rfev* Q. Thomas, London; Mr. S. Dew, Llan- tefni; Rev. E. Morgan, Dyffryn; and Mr. A. Itondoo. v Yr oecW byna yn llawer mwy osylw na; fuaseiri oiynddysgwyl oddiwrth y Times, yn neilhJuol gan mai Ymneillduwyr oedd y bone4digion ag oeddynt yn ffurfio y Depu- tation,. \fae yn wybodus i rai "n dar- Ilenwyr && aiudiad ar droed er y§.y,u agosi y, 9, -Y 'flwyddya,at» gael ymweliad ag Arglwydd Gtaavjjle, ifeHJywydd Cyaghor Addysg, er go sod aHafr viir sefyllfa Cymru gyda golwg ypwoc fiwysig hwn. Decnpeuodd y ^ffro gyda y Methodistiaid Calfinaidd mewn ^fedeitha^a ia gynnaliwyd yn Rhyl, wedi hyny yn j^phynlleth. Wedi gohebiaeth &g enw^dau ereijl, unodd y Bedyddwyr a'r In*- dependiaid yn y mudiad, a phenodwyd nifer, i fyned i fyny- er cyn-< Qrychioli y tn' enwad, y Methodistiaid, yr Indppendiaid, a'r Bedyddwyr. Yr oedd larll (Granville wedi trefnu i gyfarfod y pdirpfwyaeth ambedwar o'r gloch dydd Iau, Mat 4, 1862. Penderfynodd y bon- eddtgioa fod yno awr yn gynt. Cyfarfuwyd ynq felly am dri o'r gloch, lie,y daeth Henry Awstin Bruce, Ysw., A.S., j'w cyf- &r$&.no:Wedi cymmeryd yr holl snwau i lawrgan y swyddwyr, daeth cenadwri igeisio gftft y Bdirprwyaeth i ddyfod i'r brif ysta- feU, lIey cawsant yn ea haros Iarll Granville, Llywyddry Cyfringynghor; Robert Lowe, Ysw.S., yr Islywydd, a Mr. Lingen, yr •llfjLpdodd Mr. Bruce wrth gyflwyno y deputation i'w arglwyddiaeth fod gaoddo yr anrhydedd o gyflwyno iddo nifer 0 fonedd- i^on yn cynnrychioli Methodisttaid, Anhi- bynwyr, a Bedyddwyr Gogledd a Deheudfir Gymru—y rhai a anfonwyd i Lundain i gVflwyno Cofeb i'w arglwyddiaeth gyda g61 wg ar addysg ddyddiol yn y Bywysog. r", aeth. Prif amcan y boneddigion yn bresenol, yn gystal a'r eowadaa opdd wedi eu hanfon, oeddgalw sylw ei arglwyddiaeth at sefyllfa neillduol Tywysogaeth Cymru yn ei pherthynas ag addysg. Uwyr eich arglwyddiaeth (meddai) yn dda, fod y Cymry ar y cyfan yn genedl hynod o gre- fydddl. Gwyddoch hefyd y ffaith fod y boneddigion, a'r rhau fwyaf o'r tirfeddian- wyr, yn Egtwyswyr—tra y mae o'r hyn lleiaf naw o bob deg o'r dosparth canol, nco ddosparth gweithiol y wlad, vn Ymneillduwyr. Y mae y dirprwywyr sydd gerbron eich arglwyddiaeth gan hyny, yn ^ymuno dangos y rbesyinotdeb ar i'r ys- golion dyddiol a sefydlir ac a gynnortHwyir gan arian y wlad yn Nghymru i fod yn ys- ^olion hoUel aDsectyddot—a't annhegwch mawr, mewn ardal lie y maey boblogaeth yn rhy: aenan i gyfreithloni mwy nag un ysgol, i'r un ysgol hone fel yn seotyddol a dythunafddyweyd gymmaint a hyn yn awr cyngalw- ar y dirprwywyr i osod eu cofeb o flaen eich arglwyddiaeth, fy mod fy hunan, ar y mater hWn, yn hollol o'r un farn ahwy. Yha galwodd ar Mr. Gee i ddarllen y gofeb yr hon- sydd fel y canlyn :— To the Right Honourable JSarl Granville, the^Lord President oftlte Council. The Memorial of the undersigned, members of a Depu. tation appointed by the Baptist, Independent, and Caivbistic Methodist Bodies in North and South Wales, .J. SHBWETH- That the circuhsstances of -Wales are peculiar, and require, in the opinion of your Memorialists, that the ..system on which the Education Grant is now adminis* tered should*1je modified.^ Thatthe Landowners, and the hjghw classes gene- ral|y, are members of the Church of England; while the middje and poorer classes generally Hr« attached to the ,several Dissenting Communities. < That your MemoralistS., submit that the granting of public money for the establishment of Church ot Eug. land Schools in Wales, excepting in thtt more populous To xns and District, is therefore a grievance of which all classes.of Dissenters have ground to complain and is at the same time a serious hindrance to the advance- ment of education in that country. That your Memoralists believe that abundant evidence can be adduced to show, that the denominational char- acter of these schools has caused them to be but very partially used by those for whom they were designed and that the large, grant of public money made towards their establishment have been, consequently, in a great measure wasted. Your Memorialists believe also that it can be shown that these Schools, established with the aid of public money, have been used toagreat extent for proselyting purposes, by training the children of Dissenters in the principles of the Church of England: Your Memorialists believe, further, that it can be shown that the Education Grant has in some instances been applied to the erection of a building to be used as a place tor holding Church of England services,, as well as a school; and thereby making the Education Grant subservient to the purposes of Church extension. That your Memorialists submit that in granting public money for the establishment of Church o( Eng- land Schools for the children of Dissenters, the Educa- tion Department of the- Pri vy Council becomes instru- m^ntal to wound the feelings and degrade the position of the parents of such Children. That your Memorialists submit also that the exclu- sion of Dissenters from the management of any School established and maintaineltwith tbe aid of public money when they are willing and able to contribute towards its support, is at once unjust and humiliating. That your Memorialists submit further, that the granting of public money for the establishment of Church Schools for the children of Dissenters, is calcu- lated to excite jealousy, irritation, and discord—which cannot fail to be detrimental to the progress of popular education in the Principality. That your Memorialists, while they recognize in the Conscience Clause," a desire on the part of the Com- mittee of Council on Education to afford some relief to the children of Dissenters in Wales, submit that that clause does not meet the requirements of the case, inas- much as it merely enables the majority to obtain relief from conditions which are only fairly applicable to a small minority; and inasmuch also as it leaves the management exclusively in the hands of Members of the Church of England. < Your Memorialists would therefore pray that your Lordship would be pleased to adopt such measures as may be needful for enabling the Education Department ofthe Privy,Council to restrict thegrant of public money, so far as Wales is concerned—the more populous Towns and District exempted—to schools in which the religious instruction is undenominational; and the management of which is vested jn Committees of Subscribers, se- lected without reference to their religous peculiarities. May 8th, 1862. (Signed) T. Williams, Jlberaman. J. Davies, Aberaman. W.Ainbrose,Portmadog. O: Evans, London. W..Jones, Bala. D. Roberts, Caernarvon, T- Gee, Denbigh. D. E. Williams, Hirwaun. C. Ji, Jones, Llanfyllin. W. Roberts, Blaenau. G. Davies, Aberystwyth. J. Griffith, London. J. M. Prydderch, Llan-O. Thomas, London. arth. A. Simner, London. D. Morgan, Blaenafon. S. Dew, Llangefni. T. Price, Aberdare. E. Morgan, Dyffryn. Wedi darllen y gofeb, cyflwyuwyd-hi gan Mr. Gee i Arglwydd Granville. I Yna sylwodd Mr. Bruce fod y ddir- prwyaeth yn un bwysig, yn cynnrychioli tri o enwadau lluosog it pharclius yn y Dy- wysogaeth. a'u bod yn foneddigion o ddy- lanwad-ilawer Io honynt y meddai yr an- rhydedd o fod. yn adnabyddus bersonola. hwy. Fel yr awgrymasai o'r blaen, yr oedd y Cymry yn genedl nodedig o grefyddol, ac yr oedd wyth o bob deg o'r boblogaeth—ie, fod o leiaf naw o bob deg o'r dosparth ,eanol-a gweithiol-yn AmvghydfTurfwyr, a sicrhai ei arglwyddiaeth, oddiar ei wybod- aeth ai brofiad ei hun, fod ganddynt real grievance. Yr oedd ef ei hunan yn dal cys- syHtiad uniongyrcbol Aguno'r ysgo!ionHuos- oeaf yn y deyrnas—^ysgol He yr oedd dros dair mil o blant yn cael eu haddysgu (sef ysgol Dowlais) ac yr oedd ganddo ysgol ei hunan, He yr oedd tua saith cant yh cael eu I haddysgu. Y mae yr ysgolion hyny yn hollol rydd ac ansectol; ac erei fodef ei hunattyn Eglwyswr, ni oddefai ei gydwybod L iddo fabwysiadu unrhyw gynllun arall mewo gwlad o^ fath Cyihru. Dywedodd iddo, fel tir-feddiannydd, wrthod rhoddi ei gefnogaeth ZD 9 i ysgoi a fabwysiadwyd i fod mewn cyssyllt- ['%d%ff.jPaMml:Socie?eii} "a hyny am ei bod iiithbr ■