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ABERYSTWYTH TOWN COUNCIL. [ A meeting of the council was held at the Town J Hall on Tuesday morning. Present—Mr John James (mayor), Aldermen Philip Williams, David Roberts, Peter Jones, Councillors Isaac Morgan, E. J. Jones, D. C. Roberts, George Green, C. M. Williams, W.H Palmer, Richard James, D. P. Richards Messrs A. J. Hughes, town clerk; R. G. Smith, deputy corpor- ation solicitor H. L. Evans, borough accountant: and Rees Jones, borough surveyor. BILLS AND SALARIES. The bills and salaries due from the corporation were ordered to be paid. Among them was a bill for printing of the leases and the cost of parchment due to Mr Gibson, amounting to upwards of < £ 40. Mr Isaac Morgan asked how it was that the print- ing was not done by contract, as he understood that it was usual for all work above a certain sum to be contracted for. Alderman Peter Jones said that this matter was left to Mr Griffith Jones, and tenders were invited, when the whole thing was delegated to the finance committee. Mr Smith corresponded with several firms, and certain specimens were sent in, when it was found that Mr Gibson's was the cheapest. The rules and regulations had been complied with, and the whole thing was transferred to the committee. The Mayor said that £ 30 10s was for the parch- ment, and Mr Gibson supplied it cheaper than Mr Griffith Jones could get it. alia ion Alderman Williams said that the explanation would entirely remove any misapprehension as to the price. PAYMENT OF INTEREST. Alderman Williams proposed, and Mr Richard James seconded, the payment of half-year's interest due on £ 10,400.—Carried. A NEW PRESS. The Town Clerk was authorised, on the motion of Mr Peter Jones, seconded by Alderman Williams, to purchase a new press for the purpose of affixing the common seal of the corporation to documents in lieu of the present arrangement. SCHOOL BOARD PRECEPT. Mr Peter Jones proposed, and Mr Richard James seconded, that a precept be granted directing the churchwardens and overseers to raise the sum of .£270 in obedience to a precept from the School Board made on the 10th April, being the amount re- quired by the said School Board up to the 29th Sep- tember next. FINANCE. The collector's monthly statement was as follows -May 4, arrears of general district rate, X535 4s. lOd banked to date, 1235 19s. 2d arrears June 1st, £499 5s. 2. Arrears of water rate, May 4th, X379 lls. lid banked to date, X15 13s. 2d arrears June 1st, £383 18s. 9d. I The borough accountant presented the following abstract of accounts :—On the creditor side-Borough fund account, < £ 869 14s 5d; court fees, £ 64 2s 9d; water works loan, < £ 145 lls 7d district rate fund, = £ 938 16s 9d; total £ 2018 5s 6d. Dr. side-Harbour fund account, £:)006 4s 1 waterworks fund, £ 1,535 9S 5d; public library account, X-9 4s lid; balance due at the London and Provincial bank, £ 2,53212s lid; total, £tj,,550 18s 5d.' RATES. The borough accountant presented the following estimate of rates for the half-year ended 29th Sep- tember, 1885:—Receipts—Water Rate—Retrospec- tively, arrears of water rates on the 25th March, 1885, £ 464 19s 6d arrears of water rate by meter, -830; prospectively-water by the meter £ 70; rent of fields on flats, £ 19 10s ditto from Mr John Jenkins, £ 139 retransfer from district rate fund, £930; a rate at Is in a £ will provide, £900; total, £ 2,553 9s 6d. Expenditure—Balance due at the bank on the 25th March, 1835, XS41 Is 8d; bills due to tradesmen, £ 50 prospectively-salaries, £58; in- terest on loans, £ 579 13s 4d repayment of principal, £ 323 5s 5d mains and service pipes, £ 30; rents, £ 12 10s sinking fund, £ 159 tradesmen and inci- dental expenses, £ 70 bank interest and commission, £ 30 arrears on the 29th September, £ 400 total, £ 2.553 10 5d. District Rate.—Receipts—Retrospec- tively Balance at the London and Provincial bank on March 25th, £ 875 9s 2d arrears of district rates, XP)43 14s 5d sums' due in respect of manure, £15; private drains, £140. Prospectively-H M. Pay- master General, £ 60 the county of Cardigan, £ 14 meat market, £ 17 10s a rate of 2s in the X, £ 1,800 total, £ 3,439 13 7d. Expenditure Retrospectively Sundry bills due to tradesmen, £ 1,200. Prospec- tively—salaries of officials, X200 interest on loans, £27@; highways, £ 290 scavenging, 1'130 public lighting, £160 paving and drainage, £ 100 meat market, £25; tradesmen, £ 150 incidental expenses, £ 160, sinking fund, £16.); re transfer of water- works fund, £ 930 arrears on the 29th September, 1885, £ 400 covering outlet of sewer, proportion, £ 150 total, £ 3,130'; total, £ 3,250. The Mayor explained that about X900 would be required from the district rate to assist the water works loan account, and it was thought better to make a 2s rate in the summer in the hope that a Is would do in the winter. The Borough Accountant said they had a balance in the general district account of about £ 1,000. Mr Peter Jones proposed, and Alderman Williams seconded, the adoption of the estimates.—Carried. LEASE. Mr George Green proposed, and Mr D. C. Roberts seconded, that the Mayor be authorised to affix the common seal to a lease granted to Mr Richard James of the premises known as 52, Marine-terrace, for 75 years, commencing 12th November, 1884, at the annual rate of £ 12 19s. Mr Isaac Morgan asked to be allowed to make a few remarks not only with respect to this house, but as to their future conduct. He understood that this matter was before the council a few weeks ago, when the house was rated at £ 60. That was rescinded, and the amount fixed at £ 50. Whatever they granted this house at, and he did not mean to say it was worth more than £ 50, it should be clearly understood that all the houses in that district and neighbour- hood must be granted on the same terms. He had taken notice of these houses from 47 downwards, and he did not see any difference between them. The only difference that he could find was that some of the houses had wings at the back, which that house did not possess. The question for the future was that every lease granted for 75 years ought to be discussed by the whole council, and not in committee, and then every one would have an opportunity of discussing it. There was no doubt that it had been mentioned at the com- mittee that this house was reduced from £ 60 to .£50 at the assessment committee; but he did not think that should be a guide to the council. He was on the assessment committee last year, and he was also a member this year, but he did not hesitate to say that some houses were rated far too high and some were too low, but they were not bound to be guided by the assessment or any other committee. The council was composed of fifteen members, and they were cap- able of giving an opinion. He was not going to com- pare 52 with any other house, but the majority of the houses from Miss James's to Major Lewis's were the same. He had been surprised to hear that the rental of Mr Burton's house was £ 48, but he now found that he was paying £ 85 to Mr Wall, of Welshpool. He considered that to be an exorbitant rent, and more than it was worth; but the question was whether they did right to reduce Mr James's house from £ 60 to £ 50, because although it had no wing at the back, there was a large piece of garden whereon he could build a cottage or a wing. If this reduction was to be made all round it would make a great difference to the ratepayers, he did not mean on that house alone. He was not opposed to the granting of leases, and he wished them to be extended, as he believed it would be for the benefit of the ratepayers but if they re- duced 48, the Terrace, say down to £60, and 47 down to £ 55, and so on, it would make a difference to the rates to an immense amount during the year- He urged that they should not be guided by the assess- ment, but should act fairly to all. He did not bring this case on with any bad intention, but it had been quoted to him and thrown into his face, and he asked them to do right and proper by all means. 11 p Mr Palmer was about to speak, when The Mayor said the motion had been proposed and seconded, and he did not think it required discus- sion. Alderman Peter Jones and Mr D. C. Roberts thought the discussion should be allowed to pro- ceed. Mr Palmer said that he was at the meeting when it was discussed as to the reduction of this house, and they took it into consideration in connection with the houses adjoining-50 and 51. When they found that some were assessed at X50 and some at x 5.51and others at .£60, they thought it better to put them all down at the same price. Miss James was rated at £55, because she had not appealed. Mr Isaac Morgan She had appealed. Mr D. C. Roberts Order, order. Mr Morgan :—I am in order when I am correcting Mr Palmer. I appeal to the Mayor to say if Miss James had appealed, if he will tell the truth. The Mayor Yes, she had appealed. Mr D. C. Roberts proposed that Mr Morgan and Mr Palmer should go outside and settle the question (laughter).. Mr Palmer said he was speaking about six months ago. Mr Morgan: And I am speaking about five or six months ago. Mr Palmer said he considered they had arrived at a right conclusion. Aid. Peter Jones said that Mr Morgan's remarks partook more of a censure, and as the assessment committee was appointed by the Board of Guardians the committee was answerable to the board mor A than to the council. Mr Morgan said he considered that 52 should be placed in the same position as the other houses. That was perfectly right, and if he would refer to the applications from these persons he would find that 50 and 51 were calculated at £ 50 per annum, after a discussion at a committee when Mr Morgan was present, and therefore it appeared I to him that Mr Morgan must have a defective mem- ory at any rate. It was also unanimously agreed to pass it at the council meeting. He thought it was j somewhat strange on the part of a member of a com- mittee to sit in judgment on a matter passed when he was present. As to the instances given of the other houses, the committee visited them, with the late mayor, Mr John Jones, to value the whole of them. The Mayor From 49 to 53. Mr Peter Jones, continuing, said it was then agreed that the amount of valuation fixed was fair and reasonable, and they came to the conclusion, after going into the matter, to make the recommendation accordingly. It was but fair and reasonable that Mr James should be placed in the same position as the other houses, and that was the reason why at the last meeting of the council this matter was brought for- ward. As to the other part of Mr Morgan's remarks, these things must of necessity come before the coun- cil; the recommendations of the committee came be- fore the council, and it was for them to oppose or reject them. No amendment had been brought forward, although notice of this motion had been placed on the agenda paper. When Mr Riddell purchased this house, he offered to let it to Mr Richard James for £ 50 a year, so that he considered that to be its letting value. Mr George Green said he moved the resolution, and he then thought that everything was settled. As they were all aware he had been absent from home for some time, and he thought the whole matter had been discussed and arranged. One thing Mr Morgan had stated which they must accept as correct, that this was a precedent, and if this is passed all the others must be on the same basis. The Mayor All the others have been passed. Mr Isaac Morgan No, not 53. The Mayor From 49 to 52. Mr Isaac Morgan 53 was fixed at a valuation of £65. Alderman Peter Jones said they understood the terms recommended in connection with these houses appeared to be of the value of £50. Mr Isaac Morgan That very finance committee fixed it at £65. Alderman Peter Jones said Miss James's house was valued at 12(35, because she has extra accomoda- tion consisting of a large wing with five or six bed- rooms. The other houses were estimated lower than Miss James's, and after visiting them that was the conclusion the committee came to. If they would refer to the minute they would find what he said quite correct. The Mayor Mr Morgan has expressed himself satisfied if all are placed on the same valuation. Mr Morgan You will find that wings have been built to the other houses. I speak now of the 2nd June, 1885. Alderman Peter Jones said that Mr Morgan ap- peared to change his ground, and he did not know that he ought to answer him. Mr Morgan I know it is no good. You in a majority, and I know we can be shut up at once (laughter). Mr Peter Jones thought that was a very uncalled for remark upon the part of Mr Morgan. They were actuated with motives possibly as good as Mr Mor- gan none of them had entrenched upon corporation property, and had no desire in that direction. All that they asked was that if a person happened to be a member of the council he should be treated the same as every other ratepayer. Mr Morgan The same terms. Mr Peter Jones: We are acting identically to- wards Mr James as we have acted towards Captain Watkins and Mr Richards. Mr Morgan There are wings built to these houses now there is a great deal of difference in the houses now. Mr Peter Jones There are no wings. Mr Morgan There is room for it (''ah, oh"). Mr D. C. Roberts Mr Watkins' had been built. Mr Morgan The house adjoining, I said. Mr D. C. Roberts I did not understand you to say so. Mr Morgan Do you understand me now ? I am willing to grant them on the same terms. Mr C. M. Williams said he thought Mr Morgan had been told on one or two occasions that it was a pity that he did not attend the committees, at which the business was thoroughly discussed. He felt sure they were all actuated by as pure a motive as Mr Morgan. He attended the council meetings, and tried to make it appear as though they were acting unfair and unjust; but if he wanted to understand the business thoroughly he ought to attend the com- mittees. He came there and wished to make it ap- pear as though he was the only one who had the inter- est of the ratepayers at heart. He could say un- pleasant things— Mr Morgan I can answer you. Mr Palmer rose to a point of order by the rules no member was allowed to speak more than once. Mr C. M, Williams said that Mr Morgan came there bothering about nothing. Everything came before the council, and every member took a part in the in- vestigation of every question. They were there, not in their own interests, although possibly some might be, but the majority were there in the interests of the ratepayers of the town generally. He (Mr Williams) had not the slightest personal interest; but some members had their own interests, and they set that before the interest of the ratepayers. There were some members of the finance committee of whom he would have to say some things- Mr Morgan Now, please. Mr Williams You are as unruly here as else- where, and I have as much right as you—— Mr Morgan: You have tried it at the Board of Guardians. Mr Williams I have spoken there and I will speak again, and you nor anybody else is going to put me down. The Mayor interposed. Mr Morgan He must not make allusions let him speak out. Mr Williams Are you wearing the cap ? Mr Morgan You mentioned about me. Mr Williams: No, I did not. I appeal to Mi- Mayor whether I mentioned him more than Alderman Watkins, Mr E. J. Jones, or Alderman Williams. I hope Mr Morgan will not go on in this way again, and insinuate that we wish to prevent discussion. This comes with very bad grace from Mr Morgan. Mr Morgan I have a good reason why I do not at- tend the committees. You hold them too late (laugh- ter). Mr D. C. Roberts Stand up. Mr Morgan No, I shall not. I have a bad leg (laughter), but to oblige you, Mr Roberts, I will try (laughter). Mr Peter Jones A sprained ankle (laughter). Mr Morgan Yes, a sprained ankle perhaps you were not aware of that (laughter). Mr C. M. Williams You have made it known. Mr Morgan Yes, I have. Some things are denied on oath and others contradict them. I go home early, but if you get your committees held earlier I will at- tend. I am not the same as some members who are out till between 12 and one on the Terrace (laughter). I know members of the council who are out till be- tween twelve and one in the morning. Cries of Name, name." A Member I am glad Mr Morgan has turned over a new leaf. Mr Morgan Police-constables can prove it. The Mayor said he did not think that he had tried to stifle discussion. He then put the motion to the meeting, which was carried without a dissentient. PENGLAIS CULVERT. Mr C. M. Williams called attention to this culvert, and thought the matter should not be allowed to drop until something had been done, as the people were looking to the council to have the work completed. I The matter was referred to the Town Clerk. DAIRIES AND SHEDS. Alderman Peter Jones moved the adoption of the regulations for prescribing and regulating the cleans- ing of dairies and cowsheds in the occupations of per- sons following the trade of cowkeeper or dairyman, and the cleansing of milk stores, &c., as recommended by the bye-laws committee. Carried.


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