Skip to main content
Hide Articles List

30 articles on this Page

- POOR LAW GUARDIANS, ABERYSTWYTH.

ABERYSTWYTH TOWN COUNCIL.

News
Cite
Share

ABERYSTWYTH TOWN COUNCIL. A special meeting of the Town Council was held at the Town Hall on Saturday, the 26th instant, at eleven o'clock in the morning, to receive tenders for filling up with hard dry rubbish the site of the pro- posed new slaughter-house and market. Also, to execute to Mr. Thomas Davies, builder, a lease of a piece of ground at the north-east end of Portland Street. The chair was occupied by Richard Roberts, Esq., mayor, and there were also present Aldermen Jones and Roberts, and Councillors T. O. Morgan, J. Rees J. Watkins, Philip Williams, R. Morris, and G. T' Smith. Mr. Parry, town clerk, Mr. Hugh Hughes,- treasurer, and Mr. Szlumper, C.E., were also in attendance. A discussion arose as to the power of the town to compel the butchers and others to use the new slaughter-house, but on reference to the Act of Par- liament it was clearly shown that the town authori- ties do possess that power. Mr. Hugh Davies, of Pier Street, is the present lessee, from the corporation, of the field on which it is proposed to erect the new slaughter-house, and that gentleman attended the meeting and stated his willingness to part with his lease on being paid the amount of rent he would be entitled to from his tenant for the unexpired period. This proposal was accepted by the council. Mr. Szlumper said that as the railway had taken a part of Mr. Hugh Davies's field, and for which they paid rent, it appeared to him the corporation were receiving two rents for one piece of land. Mr. Parry No arrangement has as yet been come to with the railway company. Mr. Szlumper said he thought that had been all settled, and that the railway company were to pay :£ 10 per acre. Mr. Parry Oh dear no, nothing of the kind. Mr. Szlumper I think every one understood that to be the case. Mr. Parry Oh, no. Mr. Szlumper Well, we shall see. Mr. Evans, representing the Aberystwyth Co- operative Building Company, limited, then applied for power to exchange a small portion of land of which the company have a lease. Mr. Parry said as this matter was not on thp notice paper it could not be considered then, but suggested that it should stand over till Tuesday next, when there would be an adjourned meeting, and that two or three members of the council should in thi meantime inspect the land in question. Mr. Smith said that Mr. Thomas Jones and him- self had seen the spot, and were able to report tht proposed exchange would in no way injure the inter- ests of the corporation. Alderman Jones said that on the contrary it would be beneficial. Mr. Morris said he knew the spot also, and quite concurred with Mr. Jones and Mr, Smith. Mr. Parry Very well, then we will take the matter into consideration on next Tuesday. Mr. Davies, build -r, then said he had not received his lease for execution from Mr. H D. Davies, the architect. as that gentleman claimed certain fees be- fore parting with it. Mr. Parry explained that such a course was quite right, as Mr. Davies, as the architect of the corpora- tion, was to be pad £, 1 10s. per cent. on the outlay of the property built on the new leases granted, that being his only remuneration fur his designs and in- spection of the work. Mr. Davies said he thought that very hard. He could have had quite as good a plan and design drawn for a couple of pounds, and as they (himself and others similarly situated) had been tied down so strictly as to materials, and consequently put to such a heavy cost, he thought it very hard to be called upon to pay for the rope which had bound them. Mr. Parry said the council had nothing to do with that. The arrangement was made before the leases were grant-d, and must be abided by. Mr. Davies said he would not pay for it if he could help it. Mr. Parry said the matter had better be adjourned till Tuesday, as Mr. H. D. Davies would then be present. The slaughter-house question was then resumed by Mr. Parry, who said he imagined one of the first points to be considered would be how much money would be required for the work, and where that money could be obtained. He thought on the latter point it would be better if Mr. Robert Edward would advance it rather than have a second mortgagee. Mr. W. H. Thomas, solicitor, who was present, said he ihuugnt there would not be much difficulty about the money. That could doubtless be obtained. Mr. Szlumper said the cost of the whole work would, in his opinion, not exceed £ 1,000. Mr. Morris said he thought it would be better to borrow a little more than would be absolutely re- quired for this work. í Mr. Smith agreed with Mr. Morris, as wy such a course the council would have a small lfalauce to carry out other work with. He therefore proposed that the permission of the Lords of the reasury be asked to enable the corporation to bornpw £ 1,500. Alderman Jones seconded, and the proposition was unanimously carried f One of those delightfully general# conversations, for which the public meetings of ylis town are so celebrated, then took place, thre fuurths of the gentlemen present all talking at tip same time, and It is extremely doubtful when it would have ended and business be resumed, had ift Alderman Jones calied attention to the fact that agreatdealof useful time was being wasted. t Mr. Smith said he wished he d one of his auction hammers with him that he mi#ht lend it the mayor in order that his worship mfght imperatively call order. (Laughter.) g Alderman Jones said thatparhaps as order had been restored it would be possibteno go on with the busi- ness, and suggested tnat thrftown clerk should open the tenders sent in for filling in the ground intended to be used for the slaughterhouse and market. Mr. Parry accordingly the tenders, which were eight in number, Ind as followsT. W. Chester, £ 260 Jane Heriert, £244; Morgan Grif- liths, £:î47; David Jofes, £250; David Jenkin Jones, £:247 10s. 6d. Taomas Morris, £ 165 Rich- ard Roberts and Morfan Morris, £ 260 John Hichanb, £:HO. j f The tender of Mr. mas Morris, of Mary Street, for £lüõ being the Invest, and Mr. Morris being known as a re"pecta Ie person, was accepied. and after,a memorandum had been signed by the con- tractor, the meeting adjourned till l'uesday next. ADJOL'K^ED MEETING. Tuesday, January 29th, 1867. The adjourned meeting was held at the Town HallonTuesdaylast. Themembersoftbe councit pre- sent were Rictiard Roberts, Esq.,(mayor,) in the chair, Alderman Thomas Jones Councillors John Wat- kins, cr. T. Smith, John Matthews, and Richard >lorris. Mr. H. D. Davies, the architect and surveyor of the corporation, was also in attendance. Mr. Parry said he had been looking into a work on the subject of nuisances, and he could not find that. any authority was given the town auihorities to shut up private slaughter-houses, which were not in themselves a nuisance but only such as to the man- ner in which they might be conducted. If a public slaughter-house was erected they could not force butchers who had houses of their own to shut them up and use the public slaughter-house of the town. Mr. G. T. Smith and Mr. Atwood took the oppo- site view of the case, which proved to be the proper view on reference to the clause in the Act. Mr. Smith said he must have been very grossly mistaken it the local body had not the power to pre- vent butchers from slaughtering in the town. Of course they could not torce the butchers to go to the public slaughter-house, because Mr. Job Jones or any other butcnur in the town cuuld go to Llanbadarn or elsewhere and slaughter there and it was not likely such a course would be adopted by the butchers. they could, as a local board of health, show that, every slaughter-house in the town was a nuisance. Mr. Parry Then why not close them at once ? Mr. Smith said it was proposed at a recent commis- sioners' meeting to close the slaughter-houses in the town at once, it was then asked what the butchers were to do ? but the reply, although apparently harsh, was not unjust, it was to tne ertcct that the butchers would not cease to kill, and that, of course, they would be obliged to find slaughter- houses. Mr. Parry said he should like to confer with the other legal authorities in the town on the subject and as they were to have a quarterly meeting of the town Council on Wednesday week, he could du»o,and then explain the result of such conference, ihe heads or the agreement had only cuwe Illto his hands on the previous evening, and he would have them prepared by the next meeting, before which he would consult the other legal authorities in the town on the subject. it was the opinion of the council that they ought to apply for £1/,00 for the work. Mr. Smith; Ought we not to go on with the filling-in of the ground in the mean time ? Mr. Parry: Well, but you may be running your heads intu a thorn bush. Mr. Matthews should like that explained. The filling ot the ground would be a benefit to the town; and in accomplisning such work he could not see how they would be running their heads into a thorn bush. ibe chairman thought that Mr. Parry's principal objection was founded on the want of money. Mr. Matthews: But we shall be losing time, which is quite as valuable as money. Mr. Smith thought it would be a pity to stop the contractor from going on with the work if he was willing to go on. A general conversation here took place as to the rent to be paid for the place. ARCHITECT'S FEES. Mr. Davies (architect) said the case was thus he would like to have it settled whether he was to be paid by the councilor by the tenant. It would be as wtll to have Mr.Isaac Morgan present in order that this business should be fully settled—because he would be more interested in the subject than per- haps any one else. He thought it was well under- stood that he was to be paid by the tenant at the rate of 30s. for £100 of outlay. 'I homas Davies (builder) said he was not aware of any such arrangement. Mr- Smith Theu you are the only one in town who did not know it. the Mayor said it was generally known through- out the town. Thomas Davies did not see why he should pay it. It Was not reasonable. Mr. Matthews It is useless to argue the matter now. That was one of the terms on which the lease was taken. Mr. Parry And everybody in the town knew that. Mr. H. D: Davies explained that he bad no means of getting the tenants to pay him unless they did so before their lease was granted. He had no agreement with them, but only with the council. Mr. Smith could see no doubt but that if would have been better to have an agreement drawn up between the council and the tenants. Mr Parry replied that the reason that was not done was to save expense. Thomas Davies here put in a copy of the minutes of the meeting at which the land was granted but in this it was specitically stated that the architect be paid by the tenant. Mr. Atwood observed that of course the council would not grant a lease until Mr. Davies was paid Mr. Jones said that in London persons taking ground were enabled to raise money on their build- ings before the lease was granted. Mr. Atwood Yes; in London there is an agree- ment drawn up, and upon that they could borrow money, if it could be seen that they were building according to the agreement which ensured the grant- ing of a lease when the building was completed. Mr. Smith thought it would meet the case if the whole thing rested upon Mr. Davies' certificate— that the lease be granted only on that certficate. (Hear, hear.) Mr. Davies then called attention to the absence of a small garden and iron railing in the front of Mr. Isaac Morgan's houses in Queen's-road. These formed a part of the plans prepared by him (Mr, Davies), and now he understood that Mr. Morgan refused to carry this part of the plan out. These gardens and railings would have the effect of keeping the line of road and if Mr. Morgan refused to carry it out the line would be broken and irregular. Mr. Atwood Yes and you will lose your right to it as it will become road. Mr. Smith The fact is we may as well shut up the council altogether if we allow people to play tasl-and-loose with us in this manner. Mr. Isaac Morgan here entered the room. Mr. Parry addressing him said that they had heard that he (YIr. Morgan) was not willing to pay VI r. Davies. Mr. Morgan replied that he bad never heard any- thing about paying Mr. Davies, except the other duy, jasually, from Mr. Atwood. He should like to know how much it was said he would have to pay, Mr. Parry 30s. in the outlay of each £100. Mr. Morgan: Faith, that is a very profitable trade. (Laughter.) But why should I be asked to pay this now? Is it a fair demand? If it is a fair charge, why was I not informed of it when the land was let to me? That was tue time to have let us know about; but nothing was then mentioned only the £ 2 10s. ground rent. We build houses in a certain style, to oblige you, and to improve the town, and for doin^ so you ask us now to pay. I should have been very thankful to you if you had allowed me to build according to my own plans, by which I would have saved money. I think in fairness it ought to have been explained to us when we took the land. as well as the rent was explained to us. The land was pushed on me at the time by Mr. Atwood. It i" not fair. The Chairman Have you got a copy of the agree- ment? Morgan: No: I saw no agreement; and saw no minute of the book. I have no scrip or scrap to show for the land, and you know that very well, Mr. Parry. I do not think it is fair of you now, without giving me notice in the beginning, to try to saddle me with this fresh expense. I have got seven houses now on the marsh and to pay 30s. in each £100 I have ex- pended on them is asking a little too much. It is hard that I should be asked to pay for laying out your streets. Mr. Matthews You must remember that this is not a thing added to your rent—your rent is so much the less; and if this charge was not contemplated, your rent would have been so much more. Mr. Morgan: You wouldn't get any one to take the land at a higher rent. I pay quite enough for it at £2 10s. and I never would have taken it on the terms you suggest. You have land in the row which will not be built upon for the next two years, I warrant. Mr. Matthews Did you not see it advertised? Mr. Morgan Yes; but I did not see it in the ABKUYSIWYTH OBSEKVIJK that I was to pay Mr. Davies the 30s. on each £100 of expenditure. The Chairman: You ought to have made yourself acquainted with the facts before you made your agreement. Mr. Morgan: I was not dealing with an indivi- dual; and I thought I was dealing with a respec- table body when dealing with the Town Council. I had two years to build and I have built houses too good for the term of the lease. You ought to have furnished me with the full particulars before you let me the ground. You told me I was to have a lease of 75 years, at a rent of £2 10s.; but you said nothing about my having to pay Mr. Davies. It is a scandalous shame to ask me to pay that now. Mr. Davies: But about the iron railing in the front of the houses, Mr. Morgan? Mr. Morgan: I don't know, indeed. See, I have altered the plan in many ways. I have built another story. Mr. Matthews: If parties who take land to build on wish to put more expense on it than the Council ask them to do, they can do so at their own cost, but not rebuke the Council after for their own acts. Mr. Morgan If you carry out your expensive system too far, it will go like some other buildings in the town. Mr. Matthews: You can't get the lease until the plans arfcarriedout. Mr. Morgan then left, and the room was cleared for a consultation. On the doors being thrown open again, it was annonnced that the meeting stood adjourned to Wednesday, the 6th of February, the date of the General Quarterly Meeting of the Board. «

PETTY SESSIONS, ABERYSTWYTH.

MR. BRIGHT AND HIS WORKPEOPLE

----.----------. TEMPERANCE…

LITERARY INSTITUTE AND WORKING…

POPULAR READINGS.

PETTY SESSIONS, LLANBADARN-FAWR.

4 IFATAL ACCIDENT AT ABERDOVEY.

PENNY READINGS.

. THE LATE POACHING AFFRAY.

IDISTRESS IN ABERYSTWYTH.

ILLANFIHANGEL GENAU'R-GLYN.

. GOGINAN.

MACHYNLLETH.

LAUNCH.

[No title]

. EGLWYS-FACH.

JOINT-STOCK COMPANIES. ,

POTTS v. CAMBRIAM RAILWAY…

. SALE BY AUCTION OF THE BISHOP'S…

[No title]

THE GOGINAN POST.

Advertising

ftoetrp.

"I THIRST."

[No title]

Family Notices

[No title]

[No title]