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BARRY AND CADOXTON YOUNG WALES SOCIETY. FIRST DEBATE OF THE SESSION. On Tuesday night the first public debate of the session of the Young Wales Society was held at the vestry of the Court :road Methodist Chapel, the President, Mr. W. Llewellyn Williams, B.A., taking tin chair. There were also present the Revs. J. W. Matthews, W. Williams, and Morris Isaac, Dr. O'Donnell, Messrs. Benjamin Lewis, D. Morgan, D. Edwards, J. R. Llewellyn, J. D. Davies, &c. PRIVATE BUSINESS. After the minutes of the last meeting had been read and confirmed, it was decided to hold a special debate on Tuesday night next, when Mr. D. Edwards will move that'' In the opinion of this Society the Local Board should be supported in their proposal to acquire the undertaking of the Gas and Water Company."—The President also announced that he had received no answer to his letter from Mr. T. Ellis, M.P.. but that it was most probable that Mr. Ellis would visit Cadoxton when he came to address the Cymmrodorion Society at Cardiff. PUBLIC BUSINESS. The President, in moving that in the opinion of this society the Local Board are justified in en- forcing the bye-law with regard to providing flushing apparatus in every house in the district," regretted that the champion of the property- owners had not made his appearance that night. He (the speaker) could easily understand that Mr. Gibbon would consider it a hopeless thing to con- vert an intelligent Society like the Young Wales Society to his view on this matter. (Laughter and cheers.) The bye-law in question had been passed by the Board and sanctioned by the Local Govern- ment Board in 1889. It could not be enforced at the time because there was no drainage system. When, however, the drainage system had been completed, the Board had determined to enforce the bye-law. What injury did it inflict on anyone ? It inflicted no injury on the property-owners, for they knew when building the houses of the exis- tence of the bye-law, and it would be to their interest to have healthy tenants and clean houses. (Hear, hear.) It surely inflicted no injury on the householders, who had already to pay for the water that would be used, who would be saved much labour and annoyance, and who would be living under better sanitary conditions. (Hear, hear.) It had been said that, though the bye-law was a good one, it ought not to be enforced at the present time. He (the speaker) knew the present was a period of depression, but he also knew that pro- perty-owners, who had reaped a golden harvest during the last few years, were in a better position to withstand it than any other class of people. (Hear, hear.) In conclusion, he would impress upon them that the highest medical authorities said that the cholera would be more likely to visit this country next year than this. and it was their duty to make provision against that disease of filth by making the sanitation of the district as perfect as possible. (Cheers.) The Rev. J. W. Matthews said that the proposer was not himself a property-owner, and it was only those who wore the shoe knew where it pinched. (Laughter.) The Local Board when they passed the bye-law knew that they had no means to enforce it, and now in order to screen themselves for having brought up sewers, especially from the Wenvoe Estate, they wished to put the bye-law in operation. (Hear, hear.) He (the speaker) denied that the property-owners of the district were a "pampered class." What with the money they had to spend on their property, and the money they had to spend on jews and mortgagees—(loud laughter)—they could hardly make both ends meet. (Hear, hear.) The Local Board would be unduly pressing on the ratepayers by enforcing the bye- laws. They should remember that after all it was the property-owners that paid the rates, and not the house-holders. It would be a great hardship to this class if the bye-law were now, in this period of depression, enforced. A man with twelve houses would have to pay £60 immediately, and that perhaps when half his houses were not let. (Hear, hear.) In many cases this would mean ruin. He (the speaker) commended the action of three eminent men on the Local Board who stuck up for the poor and came out boldly on the ques- tion. Barry was known to be one of the healthiest spots in the kindgom, and the sanitation of the district would be no better if the bye-law were enforced. The present system was amply sufficient for all purposes, and answered the purpose far better than the scheme which the Local Board favoured. (Loud applause.) The Rev. W. Williams thought the bye-law should be enforced now, for if it were deferred the property-owners would ask for more time next year, as they did now. (Hear, hear.) No tenant in the district was opposed to the bye-law, and there was no reason why property-owners should be for they knew the requirements of the Local Board. As a matter of fact builders had intended to get rid of their houses before the Local Board would enforce the bye-law and the necessary alterations that would have to be made would come as an additional expense on the buyer. (Hear, hear.) It was no argument to say that it wasn't enforced at Cardiff. In Cardiff he believed it was being enforced to-day. and before this it had been the invariable custom. (Hear, hear.) Mr. D. Morgan wished to know why the Board did not see that all houses built had been built according to the requirements of the bye-laws. Instead of that houses had been passed as fit for habitation which had none of these flushing apparatus, and it would be a much greater expense to put them up now than when the houses were in course of erection. (Hear, hear.) The Board had also, in some cases, connected the closets with the main sewers. Why didn't they, at the same time, put up these flushing apparatus ? If the surveyor had been a bit sharper there would have been no bother; but he thought it unfair that builders should be put now to an expense which th. sur- veyor thought unnecessary when he passed the plans of the houses. If the bye-law need not be enforced then, he failed to see how it would be of benefit to have it enforced now. (Hear, hear.) Mr. B. Lewis thought it strange that at that important meeting there was no stronger opposi- tion to the Board's action after all the grumblings they had heard of. (Laughter.) An old Stafford- shire friend of his used to say that any fool could be a grumbler, but it required a wise man to im- prove matters. (Laughter.) He (the speaker) had quite given up all idea of pleasing everybody as a public man. If the Board made a road, they were reproached with spending money if they didn't make a road, they were reproached for hampering the trade of the district. (Laughter.) In any case,ithe Board came in for a grumble. He believed that there was no man on the Board who hadn't the health and the best interests of Barry at heart. Even those who differed from them on this question on the Board were really anxious for the interests of the district, but in this matter he attributed their difference of opinion to other interests than the interests of the people, (Laughter and cheers.) It had been complained that the Board had made a bye-law when there were no means of enforcing it. But the Board had to make bye-laws for the future, and not only for the present needs, and the time had now come to enforce the bye-law. The cost entailed by com- plying with the bye-law was much exaggerated. He trusted that at all events the Press and the intelligent men of the district would support the Board in their action. (Applause.) Dr. O'Donnell said that he was disappoined to find so few taking the opposite side. especially as there was one gentleman in the room who had stated that the bye-law was a" needless and an arbitrary one." The bye-laws were made after the Local Board had come into existence, and one of those who had advised them and had recommended their adoption by the Local Government Board was Mr. George Thomas, who now opposed the enforce- ment of the bye-law in question. It had been said that the bye-law should only be enforced in future, and that the old houses, which have already been erected, should be allowed to stand as they are. He asked them, Was that fair ? These gentlemen admitted thereby that the bye-law was a fair and necessary one, and still they were willing to sacri- fice the health of their tenants. If any one class of people had derived advantage from the district, it was the owners of the older houses. (Hear, hear.) It was absurd to make a grievance of the matter. Every builder was furnished with a copy of the bye-laws on application te the clerk. (Hear, hear.) It had been said that the ratepayers were entirely opposed to its enforcement. He failed to see what grounds there were for that statement. All the people he knew were in favour of it. Those who had the flushing system found it greatly to their benefit, and those who hadn't objected to the work entailed on them. (Hear, hear.) It was a fallacy to say that the owners paid the rates, for the Local Board had to serve the notices on the householders, and he found that one of these injured property- owners. who posed as a great ratepayer, was assessed at £45. (Laughter and cheers.) It used to be said at Barry years ago" Follow Penarth," and now the cry was, Follow Cardiff or New- t port." But Cardiff and Newport would give much. to be in the position that Barry was in that day, when they had it in their own hands to make it a model town. (Loud applause.) Mr. J. R.Llewellyn said he considered it a great injustice to inflict on the property-owners at the present time the expense of putting up flushing apparatus, after they had received from the Sur- veyor his approval. (Hear, hear.) The Local Board were endeavouring to hide their past incom- petence by enforcing the bye-law. Were they satisfied that the sewerage system in Cadoxton was what it should be 1 (Hear, hear.) Complaints had been made that the drainage system was insufficient, and now the Local Board wanted the property-owners to *o this at the present time. The large majority of them had spent all their money in the district, and their vested interests were large and increasing. It should be remem- bered that they had the approval of the Surveyor to the houses as they stood why then should the Board suddenly wake up now to the efficacy of flushing apparatus? (Hear, hear.) The reason, was that the enforcement of the bye-law was left till the sewerage system was found to be in- sufficient. (Hear, hear.) It was a graver re- flection on the character of the tenants to say that such a bye-law was required. It might have been necessary three or four years ago, but not now. (Cheers.) After a few words from the Rev. J. W. Matthews, the president, in summing up, said that Mr. Llewellyn had touched the root of the evil when he mentioned the vested interests." It was these that had obscured the minds of the rate- payers to the utility and the necessity of the bye- law but for his own part he refused to believe that anyone had a vested interest in the unsanitary condition of the town. (Hear, hear.) It had been admitted that three or four years ago the bye-law might have been necessary but he did not think it right that even now the health of a great com- munity should be left at the mercy of one dirty person. (Hear, hear.) They had the making of the district in their own hands. Let them be faithful to their trust, and hand down to their successors a healthy town with a perfect sanitary system. (Loud applause.) On a vote being taken the resolution was carried. by a majority of two.