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THE j AVBEXHAM & RHOS RAILWAY S C H E M E S. r"r Jf E?rl of Erne's Committee of the House of L j' on Thursday March 14th, considered £ ivat Bills. The first scheme placed ? the Committee was that of the East ? ?bshire Hallway, for whom Mr Littler, ? Sr I?tte'L and Mr Hart appeared, and it pro- I{ c0natruct a railway from the Wrexham, P"?! ?(t Connah's Qa?y station at Wrexham to Tn' throH"? ?hostyllen and Talwrn, ending m two u l1.. d. ?pa.rt, to meet the require- •■□lis distance apart, to meet the require-  of Lht- v?r\ 'u? levels of the district, and one of ^brmchos proposing a junction with a milway be- ¡U'in:' to the Shropshire Union R?ilwnys and Canal t,; u?\. 1??' ??"?? plan, proposed ?Y the Great ? '?"'ru K.?1?'?' ?'? ? scheme to serve Rhos by the nt.lT' 'Q? ?f ?u eXIstmg short hne and the con- ??' 1 t 1 J f J' ???iin L'['??"'? :? h?rt ?eu?thci of hue, two junctions ,u L t I' b. w!klUe existinfj Great Western main line bemg W. 1:, I. U nW ?- near Huabon. For the Great Western Com nl,[ c C 'II' C f) C' P,ul-v ?rl'?-. U-C- MrCnpps. Q. C and Mr Moon p'Ul,d ?L? Shropshire Union Railways and '?"Cc.n'P.??' "ere represented by Mr Balfonv ?. <€ ?"? Mr Lankester, :md petitioned 'tho'hJ?!L-: and Mr E. Lloyd appea.red for  ?;Fitzihn;h. Mr F- T- G«:eu. Mr H. J. Birch, Sh J I i, utc!iaiii-Colonel Meredith, who opposed tno Ibn;,¡..hsJllre ?ill. jjj-Liiikr. Q C., in opening the case for the East Dcu'Li'"L.-iiiie liailway Company, said their lordships m i- h ttakt it thai the Bills before them were compet- iuffuiLasUu-s—that was to say. the East Denbigh- JU" Ule. 1. h h d shire line was i<) pass through the same district, and to l'1L' ='IU" purposes, only more satisfactorily. IS tile l"c by the Great Western Company. 5" tn< h Î ,"¡ ¡hat t e Great Western were proposing to construe* tue line admitted the necessity that fi-Ti: in the district, a good deal of the time C.!oP < 'd b d 'Th b' of tiie eLiliiiitLec %vould be saved. The main ob ject of b,,¡;¡];¡]j, was to get down from Wrexham to IJi^IIanfr.'l.rntfc-g, which contained a population of j-iiue 10-000 inhabitants. It was a growing district, 30"le b' k k d '1 f cOlita.iuiug C:¡t.:i.le=5. brickwork s, and tile manu f ac- tory- the ^oil in the district being clay, which was very valuable lur those purposes. The East Denbigh- Lire icheme involved a junction with the Wrex- and Connah's Quty Company, and that W:H probably oue of the main reasons why the G- --at WV-r.ru liailway Company did not like it, because j; VJUIIJ give communication with other lines which -,v\; L-uaipetitors with the Gieat Western. For years the inhabitants of llhusllanerchrugog LceU asking the Great Western to give them im- accommodation, but they had not yet suc- I and the consequence had been that a num- l"; uf gentlemen traders and others interested in the i.=uici had decided to promote this -Bill. But this wis not the beginning of the East Denbighshire itiitinc. A similar Bill was promoted last year, and it-lireat Western Railway also promoted a similar Kl&aic. Ihe Great Western Company contended j, ;iiat occasion that if the East Denbighshire Bill ffcii passed the promoters would not be able to get me nuaiicial support necessary for the construction J ;Ii-- line. In the result the Bill was thrown ont, .1, T" and at a suuseqiieut, stage me ilIll ot the Great Western liailway was also rejected bv 1 COniiait.ce of that House. And now both pjjj-t'S were bdore their lordships again. The sciame ? the Great Western 0 had the initial objection that it did not ?ive the .c.ripeduon which wus desired in the district. It was adinitied Iliat where there was no competition rail- TMYi were mere inclined to raise rates and more l'keiv to :e Icss accommodation than where there ills colupezit On that ground the scheme of the Eis: .Company was heartily welcomed ¡'y the whole district. One of the great advantages ot the Eait Denbighshire (scheme was that it would, by coui tctiu.i with the IN-rexham, Mold, and Connah's Quay line over the Wirral line belonging to the Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire Company, r ive more direct access to Birkenhead, which was the for tne coal traffic of the Rhosllanerchrugog Strict. The new line would join at Wrexham, lloli. and Counahs Quay system at W rexham, and would be erved by the Central Station of the latter line. A junction would also be formed with the Shrop- iuiri Union Kaihvav, and by this means the Wynn- I,L:ty Colliery and other sources of traffic would be bros-h: within convenient access of Birkenhead. ilerv were various works in the district in a. state of development which would be served by the new line, 123 all connected with those industries were most snxiou; that this Bill should pass. As regards the ,.1:4oa of the Great Western at Rhosllanerchrugog it wa not at all so conveniently situated as regards the centre of the population as that of the East Denbigh- shire Company. In fact, so far as the :ompeting schemes were concerned, he might term that of tic lirut Western one for blocking public con- venience. while that of the East Denbighshire was frr serving the public. As regards the working oitiie line. although he was not prepared to say it, hivi been actually committed to writing, the Wrexham. Mold, and Connah's Quay Company were fiepared to work it at 50 per cent., and the people of i.e district, who were best able to form an opinion of the traSc that would be developed, were of opinion that itfter paying this 50 per cent. for working expenses there would be from three to four per cent, itill payable upon the outlay. The scheme had the support cf the entire district, and it was only opposed by the Great Western Railway Company sud two or three landowners, whose opposition either 5sindepeiideiit petitioners or because of a possible connection with the Great Western would no doubt iptear in the course of the inquiry. The scheme hid also the support of the local authorities and of :ie miners throughout the district. It would cost st,ri,,it 160-000. Mr S. Moss, J.P., chairman of the Denbighshire County Council, was the first witness for rae East Denbighshire scheme, and his evid- ence bore out Mr Littler's statement as to local !eeli:ij being emphatically in favour of that icheino.—In cross-txaminatfon by Mr Pope, he i1;d lie had subscribed nothing towards the promo- -.1 ;1 of this scheme, and he could not say hO\T much people in the locality had subscribed. No doubt :he Great Western scheme would give the Rhos j'c-jple direct access to Rnabon and the south, and IL Eart Denbighshire scheme would not. What he tinted was the introduction of a competitive syste.Li "v.o the district, lie did not know whether or not the Wrexham. Mold, and Connah's Quay had declined to any pecuniary aid to the East Denbighshire 5 Kiilwiv Scheme. He wu.s sure, from his knowledge i iLe district, that the people would subscribe the i a-;ne» that was required.—By Mr Lloyd: The people u tue district had thought the Wrexham, Mold, and l unrah's Quay Railway in low water but it low believed to be in an improving condition. It "light be trGe- that the landowners of 3J out of the i'ur miles of the East Denbighshire scheme objected, snd that none of the landowners affected by the Great Western scheme objected, but the wishes of the 2COCO inliabitants were paramount in his opinion The local traffic between Hhosllanercbrngog and Wrexham at the present time was served by a tram- Jfq, The traffic principally consisted of people in the collieries, farmers, and others, who Wrexham as a market place. It has been stated that the Wrexham, Mold, and Connah's Quay Company are prepared to work the East Denbighshire line —Yes. Dj you know that that company expressly refused tj dve pc-cuniarv uid to the scheme ?—I am not "Hc of that. Mr. E. Hooson, J.P., chairman of the Rhos Parish Council, spoke of the growing population and of the increasing trade of the district, and of the refusal of the Great Western Company to give a line to Rhos until this independent scheme was mooted. He WiI., conifdent the capital would be subscribed in the district. Several large public meetings had teen heid, and without a dissentient voice hid pronounced in favour of the East Den- I'Unshire scheme. The people looked upon the brent Western as merely a block line.—By Mr been subscribed this year for the promotion of this Bill. He was sorry to ¡¡"y that some subscribers last year had now turned their backs on the East Denbighshire scheme. He declined to give, without their consent, the names of those in the district whom he believed to be able and willing to wi, all the capital required.—By Mr ^•ovd hatever the general 4. financial success" 01 the Wrexham, Mold, and Connah's Quay Railway may have been, he believed the East Denbighshire would be successfully worked. He understood .ha.t ?? protaot?K had sa.ti?6cd all the expenses 01 last Y"IU l?H Cross-examined bv Mr B?Ifour Browne: The irtpsnire I n,on Company have a good character ? t'-e dtstnct for the accommodation they have Mordcd. Cross-examined by Mr Moon: I am acquainted ';u Peoph- in the district who, if the Bill passes, are ,ole and willing to und the necessary money, but I •u\e not pMm-,siun to give their names. I wish -o 'ce the monopoly of the Great Western in the JHnc: set aside. Mr loan T. Williallis, agent of the North !3 Miners Association, stated that he "ad been instructed by resolutions passed at various eetinf,'s of miners to appear as a witness in -Jpport of the East Denbighshire scheme. He leved it would be of more advantage to the district nan if the line were in the hands of the Great Wes- tern Company. Griffiths, miller, Penycae Mr Isaac i ú\\dl. brick manufacturer, near the proposed 'unction with the Shropshire Union Railway Mr ? ??per[. director of seveml manufacturing compames, 1 a?rl '"? of a tar?e landowner in the district; and Mr I-,n.d Ston. engineer to the Wrexham Waterworks co?",F?tuy. gave evidence in support of the indepen- d?nt ?chpme. after which the committee adjourned. u Friday March 15th, the Select Com- ¡rllttec of the House of Lords, presided Oyet by the Earl of Erne, resumed ¿IJC consideration of the two Bills. The same counsel appeared as on the previous day. Mr iienjamin Owen. J.P., btiilder and contractor, oi Wrexham Town Council, said he knew the district of Wrexham well, and was well acquainted with the industries of the locality. Wrexham was situated in the centre of an agricultural and mining district. The population of Wrexham was about 14,500, and of the Wrexham Union, 50,000. On the east side it was riiainly agricultural. On the west side the-e were rge coal and iron industries, lime and brick and '•rra cotta works. He advocated the scheme of the Eist Denbighshire Railway on the ground that it v.-jnld greatly relieve the traffic in the mining in- dustries A great many people came from P,.ios to Wre::ham who would avail themselves of the rorte. I The villages around there at present were not served b"v railway accommodation. There was a tram line from a point near Rhos to within a quarter of a 8tlle of Wrexham. The tmm line began at Johnstown, and not at Rhos. Witness was a trustee of the Wrexham Savings Bank, and in the baik there was a considerable number of depositors from Rhos. They invested nearly 114,000, and the deposi- tors had to make two or three journeys a week into V\ rexham to the bank. The bank was about 200 yards from the Central Station. Until now the Great Western station was nearer. There was also a horse fair at Wrexham and a market for cattle and pigs, and the new line would be of value to these. The inhabitants of Rhos also came to Wrexham for vegetables, and he thought the line would be of great advantage to them in that respect. Mr A. Pollitt, manager of the Wrexham, Mold, and Connah's Quay Railway Company, and a director of the Wrexham and Ellesmere Railway, said that he considered the new line of the East Denbighshire Company would form a valuable addi- tion to the existing railway scheme. The Wrexham and Connah's Quay Railway had been pressed by local people to construct such a line. He had re- ceived memorials from Rhos and district, and personal applications from owners of works in the district for such a line. In his opinion the East Denbighshire line was a line which ought to be made. The Wrexham company had extended the district largely, and made a number of branches to collieries. They had expended a large sum of money during the last fiva or six years in making these extensions, and they felt that "they must rest a time before undertaking fresh extensions, and therefore thev did not accode to the memorials. Among the memorials was one signed extensively by the inhabitants of Rhos, bee-ging him to promote a bill. He told the memorialists that the Wrexham, Mold, and Connah's Quay Company would be glad to have a line made, and that if the local parties liked to go to Parliament for a line they would be glad to assist them in any way short of finding the money, and they were willing to enter into an agreement to work the line. The actual cost of working the Wrexham line was between 54 and 55 per cent. on the gross receipts. They were so satisfied that the East Denbighshire line would be a useful one that they were willing to work it for 50 per cent. It would be an improvement for their own line, and, J. 1 .1 inereiore, they were willing to worK it ior tnsu amount. He believed that there was great need for the line, and that there would be considerable traffic. He calculated the average earnings would be four per cent. The earnings would probably be £5,200 a year, and £2,600 of that would be profit for the East Denbighshire Company. The junction at Pontcysvllte would be a great advantage he thought. The East Denbighshire scheme was better for the district than that of the Great Western Railway Company. He thought there would be no difficulty in finding the necessary capital.—In cross-examina- tion by Mr Pope, Q.C., witness admitted that the East Denbighshire line would benefit the Sheffield and Lincolnshire Railway, and replying to Sir H. Lloyd, he said that 50 per cent. for the working included everything-Eitaff stations and maintenance. Mr Thomas Jones said he was a general provision dealer at Penycae. On an average he received about 300 sacks of flour a month he also held a farm, and had a considerable amount of property in the village. He was in favour of the East Denbighshire Company Bill from Penycae to the Great Western Station. He would require more horses, owing to a steep hill, than if he went to the proposed station of the East Den- bighshire Company. He looked forward to being better served as regarded rates, and as to convenience by cartage, the feeling of the innabitants of Penycae was in favour of the East Denbigh line.-By Mr Cripps, Q.C.: His farm was about half-a-mile from the Great Western Station, and from the East Den- bigh proposed station it was a mile and quarter, but the difference in distance was made up by the better road. The Great Western Station was more con- venient as regarded distance. Mr Benjamin Williams, a member the Rhos Parish council, saia tne general lecling was in tavour 01 the East Denbighshire scheme, and public meetings had been held in its favour, but no such expressions of opinion had been heard in respect of the Great Western Bill. Counsel: Being in Rhos, if you came to the point where the Great Western propose to put a station, you would find there, by means of the Shropshire U n ion,: accommodation which would take you into Wrexham upon the Denbighshire line Yes. Mr James Connard, leather merchant, of Rhos, was briefly examined, the Chairman having intimated that the counsel might exercise his discretion by cutting short any further evidence on this part of the case. Mr Connard said the district was favourable to the East Denbighshire scheme. In cross-examination, Mr Pope, Q.C., com- plained that he CO" Id not get a direct answer out of the witness.—" Is it possible," asked Mr Pope, for a Welshman to answer a question directly? The witness: I am not a Welshman. (Laughter.) Mr Pope I won't have any further questions. I don't want a sermon preached on every point by Mr Lloyd. Witness contributed to the fund as one of the promoters, but he agreed with Mr Pollitt that the whole of the money would not be found in the district. Mr Robert Henry Done was then examined on the Wrexham part of the case. He said he had been in business in Wrexham for twenty-five years. Was Mayor last year, and at present he was deputy- mayor. He was well acquainted with the districts proposed to be served by the East Denbighshire scheme, and he was in favour of it. Ffteen out of six- teen members of the Corporation signed a petition in favour of East Denbigh. TheGreat Western proposd to put additional traffic upon an already overburdened road. Counsel read the petition of the Town Council to which was attached the corporate seal of the Mayor (Mr Done.) It was signed by fifteen out of sixteen members of the Council in their sober moments. (Great laughter, in which their lordships joined.) Counsel: You mean that in a poetic sense.— Witness: Of course there are different degrees of sobriety. I meant to say this, when the resolution you read out was brought before the Council my friend the Mayor, who is agent for the Great Western. w,,Ls thp sixteenth who did not sign Alderman Bevan also opposed, he being secretary to the tramway, for both had voted against what they had signed before.-Counsel: The resolution is signed by the Mayor, and has the corporate seal ? The witness Yes, against his worship's will, of course. Further examined: Mr Done said a meeting had been held, convened by advertisement, at which the rival schemes were dis- cussed. Were the inhabitants generally were in favour of the East Denbighshire and opposed to Great Western. Witness: It goes without saying.—Mr Pope: Then I won't ask yon to say it again. (Laughter.)—Mr Lloyd What is your business ? Witness I am a wine and spirit merchant—(renewed laughter)—but I have two places of business in Con- nection with the Great Western. The Great Western would serve me as well as the other line.—Mr Pope Better. Mr Edisbury, J.P., Bersham Hall, managing director of the Wrexham iErated Water Company, said he considered that the East Denbighshire line would be of great advantage in developing the villages around Wrexham. The Parish Council of Bersham had passed a resolution in favour of the East Den- bighshire line as opposed to the Great Western scheme. He knew also that was the feeling of other villages in the locality. Mr David Jones, a town councillor of Wrexham, said he contracted for the supply of meat to various Army Depots in the country. The line would be of great benefit, and had been much needed for Wrex- ham and the neighbourhood for the last quarter of a centurv.—Mr Hart: What do you say as to the Great Western line marked blue on the plan ?—Wit- ness That blue line ? There should have been a black line, for it has been the black letter day to Wrexham for the last quarter of a century. (Laugh- ter.) Witness added that the new line would be of creat advantage to the public generally. Mr Pope, Q.C. Thank you, sir.—Witness I am sure you are heartily welcome gentlemen, and I wish you good morning my loids. (Laughter.) Mr Henry Ward, C.E., gave some engineering details with regard to the proposed line of the East Denbighshire Company. Mr Alexander Ross, engineer to the Wrexham, Mold, and Connah's Quay Railway Company, also gave evidence in favour of the line. Sir G. Opborne Morgan, M.P., was next called, and supported the Bill. He said the East Denbighshire line was by far the better line of the two proposed lines, it would give a better communication between Rhos and Wrexham. By means of that line the public would be able to get into the centre of Wrex- ham. He believed there would be no difficulty in raising the necessary capital for the construction of the line. The public in the locality were strongly in favour of the line. Mr Whalley, surveyor, of Chester, was called to speak as to the land affected by the proposed line. There were two landowners objecting to the construc- tion of the line, but there would be no residential damage done to their land.—In cross-examination by Mr Lloyd, witness said that the two landowners who had petitioned against the Bill held between them the land of the greater part of the route proposed for the line. .2 Mr Howel Davies, of NN rexiiam, contractor, blblu that his firm was constructing the Wrexham and Ellesmere Line, which would be completed shortly. He had seen the estimates for the proposed East Denbighshire Line, and and thought they were ample to cover the cost. Ordinary compensation would be sufficient to compensate the landowners affected. The line would not interfere with the residential value of the land. The line could be constructed within twelve months after the passing of the Bill. He thought there would be no difficulty in raising the X60,000 required for the line. Mr T. Cartwright, general manager of the Wrexham, Mold, and Connah's Quay Railway ConipcLny, said their station was practically in the centre of Wrexham, and they had important connections in the district. The Central Station in Wrexham would be an im- portant point of interchangein trafficin all directions, and any new line that ran there would have that ad- vantage. The East Denbighshire line would be the best for serving the district for which it was designed. 'L 1.1 It gave not only accommodation tor itnos, DUI the advantage of being connected with the Central Station at Wrexham.—By Mr Lloyd Your present Central Station is simply a temporary construction Witness It is sufficient for our present purpose.- Mr Lloyd It is a corrugated iron construction a sort of superannuated chapel. (Laughter.) Wit- ness I think Mr Lloyd's remarks are in bad taste. Mr Littler, Q.C., said that with the exception of calling the Hon. George Kenyon, M.P., whose evi- dence he a-keti might be taken on Monday, that WBs the case for the promoters. Mr Lloyd opened the case for Mr FitzHugh and Colonel Meredith, who had petitioned against the Bill. He said that they held most of the land through which the line was to be run, and they contended their land would suffer by the line. Even if they were not successful in their opposition they would be entitled to reasonable compensation with regard to the financial portion of the scheme. He contended that the capital would not be raised in the locality, and that the Wrexham, Mold, and Connah's Quay Railway Company were not in a position to give the line much support, having regard to the damage which his clients would suffer, and the improbability of their ever being properly compensated. He asked their lordships to reject the scheme of the East Den- bighshire line. Mr John Davies, surveyor and land agent, said that Mr FitzHugh's estate, known as Plas Power, was about 2,500 acres. He pointed out how the line would interfere injuriously with a number of roads on the estate. Colonel Meredith's estate was a small resi- dential estate of about 250 acres, and it would be Revered by the proposed railway. The Great Western Railway already went through the lands of the petitioners, and the value of the land as resi- dentialland would be greatly depreciated by having another line. The committee then adjourned until Monday. Petitions in favour of the Great Western Bill were been deposited in the Private Bill Office of the House of Lords by (1) Inhabitants of Johnstown (2) Inhabi- tants of Stryt Issa, Pentre Christionydd, and Penycae. These petitions are also against the East Denbigh- shire Railway Bill.

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