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Cardiff Doctors Case, I JUSTICE BIGHAM ASTOUNDED I 7420 doctors case, Sonrtihern v. Skyrme and Th"w- was resumed before Mr. Justice fiigham. on Saturday. mx. H. W. Page, a. surgeon of distinction in Lolldo14 said that he had heard most of the evidence, and agreed that the treatment Applied in this case was right. He did not 2, h t. He dld not ioubt the statement that there was a dislo- cation as well as a fracture. The Judge: I don't want to be too hard upon you, but Dr. Thomas had no evidence pf that except a statement of Dr. 8kyrme. After short conversation upon one or two jjomte, the Judge asked if a. copy of the Ger- an. original of the text-book was available, witness said that there was one at the library of the Eoyal College, but it would »«t be allowed out. The Judge: Would they mot (lend it to me it I asked them?  Witness: I don't think so. ine Judge: I think there would be a meam ?setting it h^6- (lighter.) Mr. Duke: Would mot a subpoena do it? ught,-r.) lir- S. T. EYajis eaad that Dr. Lynn Thomas ih found a oopy, which would be s-ent for. The Witness; I dooa t. Just think of it. When a man has a frao- ture, does it do any harm to use your foot under his armpit?—It may seem strange, but it would not. i The Judge: But would it be a good thing to be fiddling about? 1'. Evans: To be what, my lord? The Judge: EMdiling about. rhe Witness; it would depend ttpom the amount of force exercised. But would it do any g-d?-It might not do any good, but it need not do any ihamn if done with reasonable care. The Judge said that he had been rather startled to find that ail the text-books recom- mended that the finst tlhing to be done should be to use the fingers. The witness thought that the surgeon, must be guided by ctiremnstaiicee. The foot might be used as a lifeless lever. It was a sentient part of the surgeon's body, and he had so used it. The Judge: We have heard of a lady who painted beautiful pictures with her tOe&- (laughter)-but her fingers might have dtone better. (Laughter.) Mr. Duke: Is a surgeon trained to use his toes? (Laughter.) W'tn'e'% Well, he would not operate with them. (Laughter.) 1r- Duke: He is trained to use his hands? -Yes. And it would be right to use the trained instrument ?—Yes. JUDGE ASTOUNDED. I be Jud?e: You astound me. Do you meam to s?y that it does not matter whether the patient was treated for dislocation or for fracture ? the J "Witness was proceeding to reply, when a Judge remarked: You are manufacturing a questiou for yourself.. Mr. Duke: Does it matter whether this treatment is applied to fracture or dislocation ?—It does matter, of course, but not much; they are both injuries to the same part of the body. D Mr. Duke; Suppose that. as we contended, Dr. Skyrme made a mistake in his diagnosis, and that he was not corrected by Mr. Thomas—suppose tiha-t he had decoded to treat for dislocation only—-df Dr. Skyrme could by reasonable mre ha.ve avoided that mifr take, would you say that Dr. Skyrme should, have avoided it? The Judge: That is a question for the jury- but you must remember that even admitting that a. mistake was made by Dr. Skyrme I by 110 means follows that he is reeponeuue in this action. Mr. Duke: 1 did not intend that. The Judge: I shall try to explain to t jury that, such a mistake, if it existed, is by no means conclusive evidence. Mr. Isaacs: The man who makes no mis- takes never makes anything. The Judge: Very oCten you make a n-Astake fcy doing nothing, Mr. S. T. Evane LUSUVRNG asked a few qnes- lions in re-exaTninatioin, the judge said he Wanted to ask a question that neither of the counsel omd, d Put- It was this: Suppose so far as you can judge the state of things when Dr. Skyrme was called in, is it in your opinion Possible that a man exercising proper care by giving proper attention to the case, and bringimg proper skiH to bear upon a, that tie, Nevertheless, might make a mistake as to whetiher there was a dislocation or not? The Witness: I think it is quiite possible that he might make a mistake. The Judge-. You all proceed upon the assumption tJhd, there was no mistake; but do you tbiok that it; Dr. Skyrme had made a mistake, it was a mistake that It careful man exercising proper skill might make?—I am quite certain, because I have frequently seen it made. The Judge: Upon that answer I think I .V.1I let Mr. Duke crosa-ex?umme you again. In answer to Mr. Duke, the witness said t*thna? j a a-ca"?—' ful man exercising reasonable oare *1. a_^ «kiU iiJbt make -1-h a -461- The difficulty of dia.UBing naght be so great that it woaid tax &kin of mr. geon after another, ana witness was MMHMd ? Mm. te-'tt'?'?? ;? ? At this stage, the original G„ erman"f tho book was brought in, and the passage u» Q tion wa? read by Mr- Isaacs. MORE DOCTORS. I Sir William Bennett, examined by Mr. J:W;lU¡; Isaaw, corroborated the evidence given oy the other doctors called for the defence. b Dr. C. W. M. Moullin, F.R.C.S., who said he ?ad been Rfteen years on the etaS of the ?gest London hospitals, said he coneMcred the defendants' treatment had been correct. Ke did not tbink am& matenal di&ercnce had been made if there was no dislocation. The Judge: That is an answer Dr. Page made, and it rather astonished me. I wamt to have Mie W6ated in a reasonable way, and to tell me that a 1.D, a n'8Jble wa.y, arm, with two jagged eD:a ;:th a broken, m the Bea?. tearing the 0 ne embedd.ed vessels—to 1^1 me t,.ha,te musch:!6 a'Thd blood- d' a U8e1ess t' for   things ?? does not outdoes not do f harm ?eme 'at d<>ee not incredible, ms to me wlmœt Mr. OoL?n: You have heard what Dr. Skyrme did. Assuming tih ea.rd describSes what he found correctly at his treatme ng'nt? WIt6 hiS treatment The Judge: That is, stocking his foo,+ Mr. 0?a?n= Not sticky, h? foot The Judge: Well. paittu? ill' foot.. tha armpit, which is inured and fuof WoS and in a very unpleasant condit' of blood. Mr. Oolam: Is a oert&"x MMa? ,>f force necessary to get t? Cra??ts of the bone down? e ??n?: Y?. and m ??se I Bbould think a special Moftt would be r-e:u:i Dr. Skyrme must have used force to get the lower pa.rt of the arm down. ? ;? Suppose  -? no dis,,Oca, tion at all, Ind?w?ed to puMthe lower «*«.2nt do?, would ^*t&S £ *a\i 'Your foot into the ainnp? witmeaa. I would ? put my foot into the armp? for a fracture alone.. Mr. Duke: You say that the mode of doing it did no harm? The Judge: He says not, and that astonishes me. Witmess: I thmk it made absolutely no difference to the plamtiC. Oroea-e?satm???. ? course, the leæ inter- f"' with injured neshy parts the better. 't wms 04 the utmost importance that, Il &vdut recao'm d the da-n?r of tetanus, the d'slomtioya have been reduced as The Judse-??? ? t-°? The Judge cS?? you mean 'or U^ stand by the cir£ e»^«tances in this case? Witness: b-d to d?ide whether it wixuid not Hbe e ? to depaxt  w dox m?ho?L? ???w?n in from the ?h?hich could only W^w?0.wn in the boo,ke, helm of? i,nWHICent » by meaI16 of the St aSta»ee That intel- ?,nt, aiid, therefore, ^thoommg at the of ?ary ?????Teso?rted ?to ?the ??t m?s, in ?y o?nion 'm eure on ?hc armpit with t?' ? direct ?- ?e Juidsre: Tbere it is, You Ooot. ^ad 1,0 do sLehin- which, if he h^ h £ nassi.stance. ?? wS have done. aesistauce, Sir William was ^ose-^xamin^ onlv ?tly by Mr. Duke. In:ind only ,Ia re-examination, he ?id th? ? woWd ^ve been necessary to puH the arm a TSSe ? been f ture without d,islQca.f "?? The Judge: But with the foot? n. 'I,¡ ?itnees: That is a d?il. my lord. It ha e.ton done in other cases. (OJ b Mr. Edmund Owen, also a surgeon of many ours and appointments and author of Ine. works on surgery, saad that there was Nothing improper in the treatment adopted by Dr. Skyrme and Dr. Lynn Thomas He was asked only a few questions by ?r. ?ke upon tihe same lines as those put to other witnesses. ,%r Thomas %ith honorary surgeon to *be Kui?, and holdi?g other appointments, ?eed witb t&e last witness 't Mr. Herbert Waterhouse, Mr. Arbathcot IH and Mr ouse..IRJ. I?ae. a.nd Mr. Matins surgeons at vaxious London hospitals, aJso agreed with the Previous witne6  Mr. Rufus Jaa? then wmm,ned his ??? ?.?.?fence. He said if there ?Pr?aed upon his mmd during the course of the <? it ? the grave danger there "? ? P?'°& too much  ?rticolar word used, or 1 deduce too much fr? some verbal criticism t to tn^s had said. The r?! not tVift S? ? shirk it-was not for that: the g^eD correct for this for tlidt; the "elition was, ww fne aL?red?'of?- X<trm ?attrib-ut\ab,le ? to any want of reasonable care or skill on the part of both or either of the defendants? The court adjourned until to-day (Monday). Mr. Rufus Isaacs will then continue his address to the jury for the defence.

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