The Welsh Coast Pioneer and Review for North Cambria

NORTH WALES ADVERTIS- ING BOARD. CONFERENCE AT LLANDUDNO. PRESS EXCLUDED. The first conference of the secretaries of the different associations affiliated to the North Wales Advertising Board, and the Executive Wmmittee of the same was held to-day week M ^unodtCnamber, Town Hall, Llandudno. Mr Charles Jones, the chairman of the Board was unable to be present, and Mr Robert Ro- berts,C.C., as vice-president, was voted to the chair. Several apologies for absence were read. The agenda was a remarkably long one, but before the meeting commenced Mr Evan R. Davics, Pwllheli, secretary of the Carnarvonshire Education Committoe, proposed that the Press b. excluded from the meeting. This motion was seconded. Mr Owen Owens, Bangor, moved as an amendment that the Press be allowed to re-' main, but that they be appealed to by the Chair- man not to report anything which might be un- desirable in the interests of the Board. The amendment was also seconded, but on a division the motion of Mr Evan R. Davics was carried, and our representative was obliged to retire. Though we cannot report the business proceed- ing- we take the liberty of saying that members of the Conference lunched wisely and well at tho Grosvenor Restaurant after the meeting was over. If Mr E. R. Davies objects to this being men- tioned we are sorry.

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DOLWYDDELEN WATER SUPPLY. OPPOSITION TO THE SCHEME AT THE PUBLIC INQUIRY. DIWEINYDD LAKE SUGGESTED AS ANOTHER SOURCE. NO SMOKING ALLOWED BY THE INSPECTOR. (From Our Reporter.) Mr A. A. G. Malet, M. Inst., C.E., on behalf of tho Local Government Board, held a public inquiry to-day week at the Assembly Rooms, Dolwydidelen, relative to the application of the Geirionydd Rural District Council for sanction be borrow JE2600 for purposes of water supply for the parish of Dolwyddiekm. The inquiry was announced to commence at 10.30 a.m., but the Inspector decided upon an adjournment until 2 p.m., when the Assembly Room was almost full of interestsd ratepayers, who listened to the proceedings until the inquiry closed at 5.45 p.m. The following' attended in support of tho application:—Messrs D. G. Jones amd YV. Evans (representing the Geirionydid Rural District Council); Messrs O. E. Parry, W. P. Hughes, John Evans, E. J. Davies, Evan Jones, 0 McLill, aiid R. P. Hughes (Clerk), for the Par- ish Council; Messrs T. Hug;hes (Clerk to the Geirionydd Council), Dr. Travis (ivicdical Officer of Health), Mr T. Griffith (Engineer), Mr II. P. Evans (Surveyor), and Mr E. Evans (County Surveyor). Mr R. O. Davies appeared to oppose the ap- plication on b'<:half of the Prince Llewelyn Quarry Co., Messrs W. F. Ellis, H. H. BeU, J. S. Fester, O. E. Pa.rry, and M. Stobart. The Inspector having taken his seat, Mr T. Lloyd Jones, of Liverpool, got up in the body of the hall, and said:—"With regard to the adjournment of this inquiry from 10.30 a.m. to 2 p.m., I think it would bJ convenient for the ratepayers if it was further adjourned until 7.30 p.m., when the working men would be able to attend." The Inspector: I am afraid I cannot adjourn the inquiry again. I heard from Mr R. 0. Davies last night to the effect that he had a special case at the County Court, so I de- cided, after consulting the Clerk, to adjourn, tho inquiry for the few hours in order to enable 'him to attend. Mr Lloyd Jones: There were some ratepayers here this morning who are unable to attend this afternoon, but who would probably ba present at 7.30 p.m. If you consider t'he individual, surely you will oonsi-cbr the ratepayers at large. The Inspector: If they were desirous of at- tending this inquiry, I presume they would have made a special effort to atteintd. Mr R. 0. Davies had not that the adjourn- ment of the inquiry would inconvenience any- one. It is a special case and a special reason is palpable to jusitify my action. If the rate- payers were anxious to at-temd they would un- doubtedly leave tti-e 'r work to do so. Mr Lloyd. Jones: I would like to test the opin- t.1 of this meeting on the matter. The Inspector: No, I do not think I can ad- jouni the inquiry a- ain. We must proceed with the work. Mr R. O. Davies: I am sorry to think that the inquiry was adjourned for my convenience. You, sir, had the [cower to adjourn the inquiry in order to allow you an opportunity to inspect the site of the proposed1 works. It is no more con- venient for me to be here at 2 p.m. than at 10.30 a.m. STATISTICS. Mr T. llughes, Clerk to the Geirionydd Rural District Council, sa.id tho population of the par- ish was 1112; the area concerned 500; rateable value, £ 3522; assessable value, £ 2798. Under the Public Health Act the assessable value was 1;2440. T.ha present rates were: Poor rate, 58 8d; district rate, Is; water rate, 6d. The application wa.s for sanction to borrow JB2603 at 3j per cent, per annum for 30 years. There were no outstanding loans. The Inspector: Is there a special charge on the parish relative. to its water supply? The Clerk: Yes. Is the proposed work entirely in the diatr.ot ? —Yes. Mr T. Griffith said lie was Engineer to the Council, and had undertaken similar work in conjunction with the late Mr Melntyre. Mr K Evans, the County Surveyor, Carnarvonshire, was with him in tho present scheme, and as a matter of fact knew a little more* about it than he (Mr Griffith) did. Mr E. Evans, who was then called, said he had prepared plans and estimate of the scheme for the engineer. The gathering ground was high up on the slopes of Moel Siabod', at an altitudo ranging- from 1200 to 2600 foot above the sea level, and free from dwelling houses, culti- vated hind, and other sources oi pollution. The area of the gathering ground was 320 acres, the rainfall ho had put down at 00 inches a 3-loar, although lie had: no doubt 'it was much more. Mr Gethin Jonas had recorded over 100 inches at this altitude, and after allowing' for percola- tion and evaporation for a period of three con- secutive years, he was of opinion that the aver- age rainfall would be about 58 inches, which waa equal to 421,080.000 gallons a year in the water shed. It was intended to store a propor- tion of the rainfall in a storage reservoir with a capacity of 3,267,000 gallons. This was sum- cient to supply the population of Dolwyddelen for a period of 326 days from the reserve. It was intended to convey the water by means of three-inch east iron pipes to the main road about lialf-in-llo from the village where it would be connected to the existing four-in ah main. This pipe would! discharge 60 gallons per min- ute or 86,000 gallons per da.y, or about EIGHT TIMES THE QUANTITY REQUIRED. for a population of 500. Mr T. Griffith: Now, if you will allow me, I will deal with the land. The Inspector: It is very unusual to divide the evidence like this. t Mr R. O. Davies I really do not know where I am. Until the question of the land is settled it isn't worth going on with the scheme. Tho Inspector: Now, Mr Griffith, let me know your position relative to the land. Mr Griffith: Mr E. Noel Humphreys, agent of the estate, writing on February 19th, 1903, in answer to the Council, offered the facilities re- quired at an annual rental of £50. The Coun- cil esteemed the rent too high. In another let- ter da-ted Well April, 1909, Mr Humphreys offered a special reduction, to JE25 per annum in "0 consideration of the depression in the slate trade. The Council, however, still considered (Hie rent too high. Mr Humphreys, writing on 19th July, 1909, further reduced the rent to £ 20 per annum, stating that it was the last eon-cession that would be made. The Inspector on a lease for 99 years? Mr Griffith: Yes. The Inspector: Any arra,n-ge.ments under Sec- tion 325 of the Public Health Act? Mr Griffith: We have arranged! with those we consider will be affected. The Inspector: Who are the parties you have arranged1 with? Mr Griffith: WitJJ. Mr E. B. Lloyd, Gorddiman and the owner of Haiod Gweniiian Farm, who have consented. The Inspector: Without any restriclions ?-In the case of Hafod Gw-etnll Ian Farm any sub- stantial damage done, compensation shall be made to them by agreement or by arbitration. The Inspector: Any supply of water to be granted them ?—Only by the means of four-inch pipes to provide compensation water to the two tenants who will be affectod to which they have agreed, the Garnedd and1 Ffrith Farms, as far as they were concerned, wrote that they would procure horse power provided the Council granted each farm £10 towards the cost. Mr Roberts, Garnedd, subsequently wanted the amount raised to j312 in, order to form a small reservoir on the farm to rncSet its requirements. Then Mrs Davies, Ffrith, wrote that her hus- band should have oonsiderod the matter more minutely as £10 was not enough, and she could not do on less than £ 12. This would ensure them the water rights and easements from the intake to the main. The Inspector: What about the leet crossing the stream which. I have seon ? Have they the right to take water out of the same stream?— Mr Griffith: Tho quarry agent states that the only rights given in the quarry lease of the leet is to take a supply through the channel only, but they have no right; to take any water from the stream to effect the supply. The Inspector: You are to arrange with the quarry lessee for the st.ream to be kept in good order ?—Yes. The Inspector: No presumptive rights to tako water out of the stream to effect your supply?- No. Mr R. O. Davies: Mr E. Evans has submitted some figures. Was he appointed by the Council? Mr Griffith: No. It is a private matter between you and Mr Evans then ?—Yes. Who prepared fee specifications ?—I did. And you prepared the plans a!30!-Yes.. The oontraot-or tendered on thedo plans said specifications ?—Take it so. Is it so?—It is. Your terms are five-per oant. ?—Yes. And your Council are not liable to Mr Eyatte ? —W9. » Did a Mr Hughes assist you?—Yes, he is an Associate of the Institiu!) of Civil Engineers. Then there were different persona engaged at the work, and it was altered?—I made a survey three times. Why were they altered?—The authority oon- sid-ered; it advisable. Whoso scheme is tlis which is put forward to-day ?—Mr Evans' and mine combined. Are you going to carry if out?—Certainly. What part has Mr Evans in it ?-Ho is with me. Who is responsible?—I am. Then, I oug-ht to ask you the questions?—But he will be JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE. wit2* me Am I to understand that the peroontage you mentioned will be the only Temunoration both you and Mr Evans will receive?—Yes. Any extras of any kind?—No. Five per cent, on £ 2600 will over all your expenses and Mr Evans'?—Yes. The Inspector: Travelling expenses extra., I suppose ?—No. Mr Davies: Have you heard that the owners of Diweinydd Lake made an offer of the lake to the villages as a water supply some time ago,?- Not until to-day. Therof is ample supply of wator there for this and other parishes as well, is there not?—Yea. You have heard that the Parish Council was offered all the water) they required aa a. rent of jBS) per annum including ail loaaoments ?-Not until to-day whom the Clerk toLd me he bad been informed 50. Will you agroa with me if that offer was made it would be a very substantial one ?—Provided the Council had not to supply anyone else, it would be. The lake is within hall of the main?— A little more. You propose to expend £ 1200 on a. d;nl ?-Yes. It would be xiTinccossary at Diweinydd ?—Tho question has not been gone into. Thy 'are the same owners. Did you ask them to supply you with wat'-r from this lake?—No. Did it. ever ooour to you to secure it from this take?—The water was already granted to the slat.o quarry. Do you think that there is not enough water for both the village and the quarry ? No, there was an embankment. You said all the sources of supples were ex- amined ?—Yes. And you have got Bryntirion ?— It is 700 feet above the sea level. This source was not considered at a sufficient height then?—You will admit it would be much the 1':)¡3 expensive scheme?—Of course. Only about a 1000 yards of piping required? The cost would only bo about half ?—Yes, rough- ly- Mr R. O. Davies: My contention is that itisuffioient attention has been given to this mat- ter, and that there are other eohemes which would have done equally well at a much I cost- Is it not true that the reason you adopted this scheme was that, the water supply is not avail- able at. the '.highest points of the village? Could you. not now get sufficient height from Bryntir- ion ?—Not in my opinion. How high; is it ?—;700 feet. The higthest dwollitng -lio! £ ?>(> 1J1 the district is the Barracks which is 610 feet !1—Yes, now. No on, c would dream of building there again —I have had ain application. What became of it?—It was just mentioned to iiid. Having made all possible meiuiries, do you still say "this is the best you oa.n think of ?—Ex- eept that which you pub to me, Diweinydd. Then why did you not approach the owners relative to it. You have been dealing with them all along?—Mr Humphreys wrote to state that he could not again' entertain tae granting of a supply from Diweinydd in 190o. lou never approached him m regard to it v ourwlf ?—No. v You have had the water analysed?—Acs. Are you going to filter it?—Yes. Any screening chambers there?—There axe °The land by the proposed water supply is peatv soil?—Yes. All the surrounding" .area?—I could not say so. Is it your opinion that you must have this reservoir there —Is is my op'.nion. You know your authority had an UNFORTUNATE EXPERIENCE AT PEN- MACHNO? -1 was not in that scheme. You are not going to touch the existing mains .at all?—No. Are they 4in. pipes?—For a certain dis- tanoo, yes. They have been down for over 30 years? The medical officer of health in 1898 said they were much oorroi-ed?—May bo. You do not think of renewing the mains at once?—I am hopeful that the extra pressure will clean them. Really now, do you not think this extra pressure will finish them? If they have to be renewed, what would be the extra cost?—■ I have not gone linto the matter. About 5s a yard?—Yes. Tlftit would make about, X700. What is the length from the intake to the village where the 4in. pipes are?—A little over half 'a mile. If your hopes are not realised, and they will not stand the extra pressure it would mean a substantia] addition to the cost of the scheme?—The statement I would care to make is this, that the Rural District Council as well a.s the Parish Council have he-an engaged on this question for .a number of years, and at Last have arrived .at a solution. I may say that both bodies axe in favour of the scheme put forward, and in my opinion it is an admirable scheme for the locality. The source of supply is beyond the possibility of pollution. The land is only grazed by shoop, and J think the land of Bryntirion, -which will be included in the catchment area, is grazed by cattle as well. In the past the question of water supply was a hard problem. I think it is a rigM thing for this locality to secure a. permanent supply of water. The Inspector: The only point that strikes me is that the source of these lakes will be the best as they are natural lakes. Mr Griffith: I still contend (that it is an important matter for the water to bo beyond the possibility of contamination. The quality of the water ;is similar in both cases. The Inspector: You do not q uestion the fact that a supply from Diweinydd would be preferable?—I do not know. Being a .natural lake it would be preferable for that treason only. The Inspector Would it be more expensive? --I should say it would. The Inspector: Have you prepared a. com- parative statement tof the cost?—No. Tho Inspector On what points would it be more expensive?—The terms would be much in exceiss. The Inspector: Than what you are asked for in the source now under consideration?— Th-er-o Pvould be more riparian rights. Th-e Inspector In what way ?—Thene would be more riparian owners. These "lakes are considered very valuable. They are natural basins. Mr Lloyd Jones I thought Mr Griffith said it was not obtainable at any price? MT R. O. Davics That was in 1906. Mr E. Evans, examined by Mr R. O. Da- vies, said: "The soil is not mostly composed of peat, but only a thin layer on the surface. It io not ipeaty ground. MT Davies: Do you not think that in time organic growth will be there?-No, there is too much idisturhances at these latitudes. Is it not common on mountains, when the bottom is not concrete, to find such growths? —Only in stagnant (waters. Do the mains 'require renewing?—I do not k-n-ow without examining them. Some last 60 years. The whol-e cost would not be more than X-500. The question is the want of a supply and pure water. Have other sources been examined.?—I have seen Diweinydd Lake. It is possible the cost of securing a supply from it would be MORE THAN DOUBLE that of the scheme, as the embankment would have to be a very long one, and only !rock at the bottom. There would be more per- sons and riparian (owners to deal with. You bave heard there is an ample supply of waiter there?—By embanking. The Inspector They are (natural lakes ?—In three consecutive years of dry weather the supply would be practically nothing". Mr Davies: When were you there? In June, this year. You have seen Bryntirion?—No. When did you appear on the scene ?—About twelve months ago. Mir Lloyd Jones: Is thape a dam of any im- portanoo at Diweinydd?—No, you cannot call it a dam, only a few sods piled one IOn the other, and a few stones. I heard there was?—Only mounds. Mr R. O. Davies: It is an extraordinary thing that a mound would keep such a quantity of witrer in plaice. MT Lloyd Jones: If the existing one is for the quarry you would require a higher one for the patigh ?-Yes, if the-authority put an embankment up at all, they -would have to put 'up a proper one with adequate founda- tion. MT ffjloyd Jones: The existing main would have to foe done up in the usual course?—In. the course of time. Mr H. P. Evans, surveyor to the Geirion- ydd Council, put in a plan showing the ex rt- ing water supply atrra-ngements. Th.9 Inspector: Is fthere a GROWTH IN THE POPULATION anticipated ?—Not under the present condition of the slate trade. Any proposal to extend the scheme to other areas?—There is nothing before thie authorit ,r suggesting such a proposal. What consumption is required? Twenty gallons per head. What is the least storage you can do wi' h F Mr T. Griffith: 150 days. The Inspector: Why do you want to strre it for that period? Mr Griffith: The records do not extend so far back that we can say they are the n; mÎ- mum. j What will the reservoir cost?—, £ 1246 15s Have you taken out an estimate for a smaller service reservoir?—No. Do you not think it would not be better to postpone the reservoir, and provide a reservoir to start with?—I think I 'am right in advising the Council to go in for the larger scheme now. According to your gauge you havo enough for your daily consumption?—TiLe records d-o not go back fair enough to make fit a proper record. You have no data as to how much you will require?—About three million gallons. Why not one or two?—I think (having re- gard to the possibility of a. dry period accruing that it is certainly better fto provide ample storage, more than may be necessary at the present time. It will never be the wish of the authority to fall back on it ho present source of supply, having regard to the conditions existing. Mr H. P. Evans said the intake for the pre- sent supply was situated on the Ll-cdr River, a short distano9 below Roman Bridge. The' water Tan lib rough 4in. cast iron pipes from the intake along the river bank for 400 yards into the road nasr Pontycalp, and then on to the village. During the latter part of lune some inconvenience was caused because dicep were washed, the water being turned off for that purpose. What is the condition of the pipes?—More or leas corroded. How long ago were the pipes laid?—Thirty years. Mr Lloyd Jones: Is there a filter attached to fthe present supply?—No, it passes through perforated iron gratings. What is thra nearest sanitary convenience to the water source?—Four hundred yards. Was there a case of typhoid near the ir- take last year?—Yes. How far from it?—Four hundred yards. The Inspector: You have the same water population as before?—Yes. {SMOKING PROHIBITED. Mr Lloyd Jones (.addressing the Inspector): Do you object to smoking, it is very cold here. The Inspector I would like a smoke myself, but under the circumst-ance-s we must abstain from the,pleasure. Mr Lloyd Jones: Can't we adjourn for tev minutea for a smoke (laughter). Mr Richards (to the Inspector): I can sup- ply you with a cigarette, sir (laughter). Mir R. 0. Davies (to the clerk): Can you tell us fcho charge on the water works per annum?—It is on the balance sheet. Any deficit will be made up out of the general account?—Yes. t Mr R. O. Davies: I am not here to oppose a scheme for providing the parish with n better water supply if the water in the exist- ing supply is bad. Dr. Travis: The present supply is UNFIT FOR HUMANE CONSUMPTION. Mr R. O. Davies: No doubt. It is common ground that the existing supply is not what it should be, and all wish to have it improved, but the lo&al authority should exercise every possible care not to burdcill the parish too heavily. We have heard that the con- tractors have -ci=h to give ffond for £ 300. In my opinion this is not enough. One of the contractors is the village joiner end the other a hotel keeper. It is a matter for the Council to consider, of course, whether they have (selected the best men for such important work. If they fcdl tc, carry out the contract, the local authority would be placed in an awkward position. It is an extraordinary thing .that the mains have not been tested; if it is necessary to renew them it will rost an additional £700. That me.ans increasing the outlay to < £ 3300; £ 2600 .means an'addi- tional rate of Is I-,I-d in the X, and £;330 'amounts to Is 5d in the X. We have heard from the clerk that the rate is 7s 2d in the .P,. It is not for me to offer any comment, but I cannot help but regard it as a strange arrangement bet ween Mr Griffith and Mr jE. Evans. The authority is to be congratulated on having secured the services of Mir p. Evans on such favourable terms. The pro- posal to secure water from those two natural lakes has not been investigated by the engineer. He admitted it was the better supply, and I submit that it is the cheapest, and I further submit that if all the souroes were investigated this would have been the one ucoepted. Another point I wish to allude to is the storage reservoir. Is thia really necessary? There is provided in the scheme a storage for 300 days. This, I contend, is xnMiecessary. A smaller service reservoir would prove ample. The .authority should be asked to reconsider, not only this scheme, but also consider the advisability of securing another source of supply. Mr Foster, for the opposition, submitted, several schemes, which he contended would prove both better and cheaper. Dr. Fras&r, in reply to the Inspector, said he quite approved of the proposed scheme, and .also the reservoir. The sooner th, pre- sent supply was done away with the better. Mr Lloyd Jones; I unfortunately have to drink the water now supplied to the village, while only two of those opposing the scheme have to do so. The scheme is introduced by the Rural District Council and the Parish Council. Tho members of both these publif bodies are reliable men, and not likely to neglect their public duties, and have un- doubtedly etudi-cd every source before .adopt- ing the present scheme, and are not likely to bring before the Inspector a petti fogging one (he>ar, hear). This scheme is undoubted- ly an excellent one. You cannot possibly ly an excellent one. You cannot possibly expect ono for less than £ 2600. It is most important that we should have pure water and plenty of it, a light we can demand of the authority (applause). Every Tom, Dick and Harry, appear to be prepared :with his pet scheme to-day (loud applause). Why not pull together. He had spoken to scores of 'the inhabitants, and could assure the In- spector that they were ell in favour of this scheme, which could not be improved upon (cheers). On the motion of Mr Lloyd Jones, seconded by Mr R. O. Davies, a vote of thanks was accorded the Inspector for the careful manner ho had carried out his duties.

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