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DENBIGHSHIRE EDUCATION COMMITTEE, PROPOSED CHURCH SCHOOL TRANSFER. BISHOP OF ST. ASAPH CRITICISED. SCHOOL ATTENDANCE; RECORD HALF YEAR. The Denbighshire Education Committee who aaet at Chester on Friday dealt with two or three matters of importance. One was the proposal to Sransfer to the authority the little Church School M Erbistock, on the Shropshire border of the county. Overtures came first from the Rector, the Rev. E. Evans, but when a special committee had considered terms and recommended the acceptance of the offer, the Bishop of St. Asaph, in a very brief letter, refuaed hia consent, and this drew from prominent Nonconformist mem- bers of the committee some caustio comments, whilst Mr E. Allen and Colonel Sandbach, who, .with Mr F. A. Sturge, were the only representa- tives of the non-provided schools present, asked that the Bishop's reasons for the step he had taken should be ascertained before he was Criticised so pointedly. One other important matter before the meeting was the return of at- tendances in the half-year ending December 31st, thowing that the record percentage of 89 haa been reached. In this connection Dr. Medwyn t Hughes, of Ruthin, offered some trenchant obser- vations as to the alleged forcing of sickly children into school. Mr W. G. Dodd, the chairman, of the com. eaittee, was absent, and in his place the vice- chairman, Mr J. E. Powell, of Wrexham, pre- aided. The following other members were pre- sent: Mr D. S. Davies, Mr Christmas Jones, Air J. Wilcoxon, Mr Bennett Jones, Mrs R. J. Powell, Miss Gee, Mr John Roberts, Henllan; Mr J. S. Jones, Mr R. A. Jones, Mr F. A. Bturge, Mr Edward Allen, Mr Edward Roberts, Mr D. W. Roberts, Mr G. Cromar, Mr H. Hughes, Dr. J. Medwyn Hughes, Colonel Sand- bach, Mr Simon Jones. The officials present were: Mr W. R. Evans, secretary; Mr J. C. Da- vies, organiser; Mr White, acoountant; and Mr W. B. Wiles, architect. CHURCH SCHOOL REPAIRS. A letter from the Rev. M. E. Bisset, the oor- jwpondent of the managers of the Eyton Non- provided School, was read, in which he stated that the managers could not at present see thef way to carry out the repairs and improvements required by the education authority. Mr D. S. Davies moved that the managers be Informed that the committee regretted to learn their decision, and that failing the. receipt from them of a definite promise to do the work the itommittee would, at the next meeting, have no Alternative but to withdraw their support of the School. Mr Bennett Jones seconded the motion. Colonel Sandbach said he knew that the position f the committee was in this matter a very hard one, but the committee must also remember that the position of the managers was also a very bard one. The managers were asked to spend a Certain amount of money in most of the non- provided schools, and the only way in which they could get the money was by taking the hat round among the Cburchpeople. Was it likely that any Churchman would subscribe money to be ■pent upon the school with the prospect of its being taken away from the Church and handed over to the Local Education Authority without any compensation in defiance of the trust deeds? The managers of all the non-provided schools were anxious to do the repairs that were necessary to the schools, and keep the schools in order, but how could they go to the parishioners for money under the circumstances? The position was a very hard one on aU sides, and he could onlyI plead that the committee should give the man- agers of the non-provided1 schools as much con- sideration as possible. In most cases the re- quirements of the authority had been complied With, but a few schools, he freely admitted, were 8i.ot in a satisfactory condition. Mr Edward Roberts, chairman of the Building Committee, who had brought forward the ques- tion, aaid he had already stated that the com- mattee felt this to be a most unpleasant duty on their part. Col- Sandbach: I quibe admit that. Mr Edward Roberts: But it has been imposed ilpon to by the Education Aot of 1902, and when itohe Inspector reports to the Board that certain alterations and improvements should be made to these schools, and the Board writes to us to •sk that they should be carried out, for the reasonable requirements and improvement of the School, then we have to see that the work is done. As to the means, of course, that is not for us to consider. It is the managers' duty to 800 to that. The managers still cling to the fabrics, and while they do tihat, they must see that they are in a fit condition far the children to attend. While they retain these privileg-eaia. their hands, they must put their hands into Sieir pockets. The resolution was carried nem. oon. The Chairman: Who was responsible for the failure of the compromise of last year ? I only Say that in passing. Col. Sandbach: That is a question of rather a larger discussion than we ought to enter into cow. The Chairman: I am not discussing it. Col. Sandbach: I am quite ready to discuss M, but I think it would waste time. Definite replies had not been received from the managers of the Gwersyllt, Holt), Chirk, lJansilin, and Rhosymedre Church schools, for the repair of which the committee had made requisition, and the question of the action to be taken in regard to these schools was allowed to stand over until the next meeting. HEADMASTERSHIP OF CLOCAENOG • COUNCIL SCHOOL. The committee interviewed the following can- didates selected by the StafE and Supply Com- mittee to appear before them for the head- taasterBhip of this school:—Mr W. O. Ellis Dwyran, Llanfair P.G.; Mr Arthur LI. Evans' Conway; Mr John H. Richards, B.A. (Wales), SJohnson-street, Ponkey. Mr D. S. Davies proposed that Mr Evans, of t/Onway, be appointed. He had kid a good ex- perience of teaching-, and his age- (27) was such ) that he might be expected1 to stay at Clocaeno" wtuch was needed for the continuity of teach- ing Mr J. Roberts (Henllan) seconded. Mr J. S. Jones moved that Mr Richards, B-A., be appointed claiming that his credentials were much superior to those of the other two candidates. Mr Christmas Jones seconded, and Mr Simon Jones supported the nomination of Mr Richards. Miss Gee said she would like to support Mr Evans, who had the qualification that he could teach music. Someone who could teach music was a very great assistance to a district. Clo- caenog had been a long time under temporary teachers, so that it was important to have a. man who would make up his mind to stay in a country district for a little time. Dr. J. Medwyn Hugihes: I do not like these rellections on the parish of Clocaenog. I can assure you that most intelligent people live there and many of them are highly civilised :(laughter). Miss Gee I do not deny that, but if anyone went up and down the hills from Ruthin to Llocaenog they would understood what I mean .(laughter). Mr Hughes: I know where Civcaenoa- ts, and I agree with Dr- Hughes about the in- habitants. I know abo the young man Mr Richards at Tregeiriog. He is a splendid teach- er, and a very capable young man to send to Ctooa.enog. Mr E. Allen said it should be pointed out to very new master tihat the committee required bim to do his best to keep up the attendance. U.!ie Attendance Committee had passed a resolu- tion asking that the point should be put to all new head teachers. In some schools the attend- tnoe was high and in others low, and it was found that the teachers had a good deal to do with there differences. Mr J. S. Jones said be did not put the ques- tions in the present case, but it was understood that the ability to influence the attendance was essential. Mr Richards, B.A., was appointed headmaster -at Cloeaenog by a considerable majority of the votes, and the Chairman, in informing him of his success, said he hoped he would remain for Borne time at Clocaenog, and do his best: for the school there ,and abo that he would pay special attention to the attendance Mr Richards I shall do my best for die com- jttiittee. I can say no more. r Mr Richards was born 1885, and was a pupil teacher at Rhos Boys' School in 190C—1903 In bis soholarship examination he took a first class in Division VI. in December, 1903. He was afterwards trained at Bangor Day Training Col- lege during 1905-1908, passing his certificate examination in 1907 and 1908. He holds the de- gree of B.A. (WaJes), specialised in "English" tend "Welsh." Sir Harry Reichel, Protefeeor Archer, and Mr R. T. Powell, Rhos, gave him testimonials. BRYMJX) SCHOOL. MANAGERS' CLAIMS FOR MAINTEN- ANCE. Mr D. S. Davies reported that a special com- mittee had. considered the claim of the Rev E iWorthing-ton Powell and the managers of the Brymbo Parochial School, which had now been recognised as a public elementary school, in re- spect of the cost of maintaining the school Last year- ,The full claim was for £818. The com- paattee decided to pay for tfie maintenance of school at the same ra.te as that allowed by the authority in December, 1907. It was found tha-t the head teacher had been allowed by the rnanatfcrs a salary of £120 per annum, whereas the salary granted by the committee up to De- < pember, 1907l was £100 g jear. The bead ] teacher was not a trained certificated teaciber, and tb&r-oaEaaaittee thought/ that £ 100 a year should suffice^ Making this and other minor deductions thffl total was reduced to £750. Ac- cording to. the committee's scale of allowances for supplies the toW grant far that purpose would be B47, but the managers claimed ;1,ó9. The committee, however, decided to treat the school as a new one, inasmuch as all the books, etc., had to be bought afraefh, and they there- fore allowed the full amount claimed under this head. Tike total deduction from the claim came to £ 67. He moved that £ 750 be offered in satisfa>ctipn of the claim, and expressed the opin- ion that' the offer was a very generous one. Mr E- Roberts seconded the motion, which was passed unanimously. SCHOOL ATTENDANCE: A RECORD HALF YEAR. {The return of attendance throughout the county, which was laid before the meeting, show- ed that from July 1st to December 31st last, the total average number of children on the regis- ters was 22,981, and the average attendance 20,455, giving a peroentagie of 89, the highest on record. Denbigh, with a percentage ot 93, is bracketed with Llangollen for the highest place in the county, on the half year's return. Next comes Oerrigydruidion with 92, and the Colwyn Bay district ranks third, with a per- centage of 91. In Mr Bitbel's district, the per- centage was 93, but the Abergtelo and rural area. ufndar Mr R. P. Chambers only reached 8l, so that the OolWyn Bay return was reduced pro- portionately. Oerrigydruidion soored 92, Llan- rwst 89, and Ruthin 88. The highest attend- ances in the county were made by Llanarmon Dyffryn Geariog Council Sohool, Nantyr Council School, and Llanddoget Non-Provided, each of which had 97 per cent. The following had 96 per cent.: —Bettws-yn-rhos infants, Colwyn Day Council Boys, Oefn Meiriadog Non-Provided In- fants, Ohirk Non-Provided Boys, Acton Park Non-Provided Mixed, and Pentreoelyn Counoil Infants. The attendance for the corresponding period of the previous year, a slightly higher number on the register (23,050, as compared with 22,981) reached a percentage of 88. Mr J. S. Jones, chairman of the Attendance Committee, said that the attendance in the last half of 1908 was the best ever attained in the oounty, being slightly over 89 per cent.; it waa also the best average attendance with the ex- ception of one year only, and that was only 70 more. The reason for the reduction was the per- petual drain from the elementary schools to the county schools, the proportion of students in the county schools from the elementary schools having BOW increased to 60 per cent. That affected the attendance in the elementary schools very much, and the authority was losing grants. Another reason for the reduction in the average attendance was the exclusion of children under five from the schools. Taking these things into consideration the committee ought to be pleased that in the last half of 1908 they had done so well. It meant a gain of £1000 in grants as compared with the first half of the year (hear, hear). That was not a small item, inasmuch as the committee of necessity was spending so much, and this was the only source from which they oould gain anything towards the extension of their educational system. He thought that the question of attendance ought to have more con- sideration in every local committee as well as in that committee. There was no complant to make against the attendance officers. They were men who really did their best to get a good at- tendance, and they were working against great difficulties, especially in the last few weeks of the year, owing to epidemics of various kinds. THE TEACHER'S INFLUENCE. But the teachers were the best attendance officers after all, and the committee thought it ought to be considered a special qualification for promotion that a teacher liked to get a good attendance in his school, for that brought in grants, and more than that, it meant a better education for the children. Miss Gee pointed out that teachers might go too far in that direction. She heard recently of a school a pupil of which did not attend one morning, and in half an hour a teacher went to his home to inquire where he was. It was a loss to the school that the boy should not be in attendance, but it was a greater loss that the teacher should be sent out during school hours to look after him (hear, hear). The Chairman: Teachers ought not to do that. Mr J. S. Jones: We mean that a teacher finding a child absent should inquire about him in the school, and should communicate with the attendance officer. Dr. J. Medwyn Hughes said he was sorry he could not join in all this jubilation about the first- rate attendance. He was firmly convinced that from five to ten per cent. of the average attend- ance of the children was made by children who had been got into school owing to undue pressure. When the medical examination of school children was in complete operation it would confirm what he was now saying. He spoke positively, as a medical man having a wide experience of practice in rural districts. Colonel Sandbach: Does Dr. Hughes say that this percentage of the children should not go to school at all? Dr. Medwyn Hughes: I say that eight per cent. of the 89 per cent. are children not in a fit state of health to go to school—who have sore throats, colds, and coughs. Go to any school you like, and you will almost always find a croupy cough or even whooping oough, and I submit a con- siderable number of these children ought not to be allowed to go to school. Mr J. S. Jones: There is a difference of opinion even with the doctors. Who are we going to be led by? (laughter). Mr Christmas Jones said it was not fair to the chairman of this committee to say that he was influenced by the pecuniary results, which Dr. Hughes had hinted at. Mr J. S. Jones: I will answer for myself (laughter). Dr. Medwyn Hughes; What I said has no special application to that committee. It ap- plies to the whole lot of you (laughter). Mr F. A. Sturge said that prizes were given to the children who had attended a certain num- ber of times, during which the school was open, and in order to make up their attendance children often went to school when they were not fit to do so. Mr G. Oromar said that a little common-sense must be exercised. While the committee were anxious to safeguard the health of the children, because so much of the womanhood and the man- hood of the country depended upon that, they must exercise a wise judgment in bringing at least a slight pressure upon the children to at- tend well. If they were to relax their efforts in that direction he did not know where the com- mittee would be landed. They knew that doctor's certificates could be obtained in the case of all children not really fit to go to school, and; there were facilities and privileges granted to parents to get the certificates. He trusted that Dr. Hugh-es did n'ot consider that there was any harsh treatment on the part of the attendance officers or the teachers in securing the attendance. He did not think there was any ground for com- plaint. The committee were spending vast sums of money, and they expected that the parents would see that their children took the very best advantage of the educational privileges within their reach (hear, hear). Mr J. S. Jones repeated his proposition that even doctors disagreed. Some doctors said that the children were better off in school than at home, especially in the thickly populated districts. If the doctor's view were acted upon, it would bring the attendance down to 81 per cent., and that would mean a loss to the county of E4000 each half-year. They could not stand that sort of thing (laughter). The attendance report was then adopted unani- mously. FINANCIAL. Mr Christmas Jones laid before the meeting the financial report, showing that payments on elementary education account were were due of B9338, the total bills to be met amounting to 211,077. The money was voted. ERBISTOCK CHURCH SCHOOL: THE BISHOP OF ST. ASAPH OPPOSED TO TRANSFER. Mr Simon Jones, Wrexham, as chairman of a committee appointed to consider a proposal that the Education Committee should take over the Erbistock Church School, submitted the re- port of that committee. He said that the hev. E. Evans wrote to the committee suggesting that they should take over the school on terms, which he set out in his letter. The committee decided to rooommend the transfer, and made only very slight alterations in the terms, to which Mr Evans agreed. The terms as amended were as fol- lows The land and school buildings, together with the small pasture field adjoining, to be let to the Local Education Authority from the 25th March next on a 21 years' lease on the following terms: (1) The school shall be under the control of the Local Education Authority for the county. The Local Education Authority shall appoint four managers and the minor authority or authorities two managers. (2) That the present head mistress shall continue to give denominational teaching to the children of those parents who express a desire for it in writing, and that, if the present head mistress vacates her post, Cowper-Temple teaching only shall be given by the teachers. Every future appointment of a teacher or teachers shall be made by the Local Education Authority. (3) The school building shall be at the disposal of the Local Education Authority for five days and five evenings a week, but for one evening a. week and Sunday afternoon it shall be at the disposal of the rector of the parish. (4) The rector shall be permitted to give de- nominational teaching between the hours of 9 and 9.40 a.m. on not more than two mornings a week to the children of those parents who ex- press their desire for it in writing. (5) The diocesan inspector shall be permitted to visit the school, as heretofore, to examine tho children who receive denominational teaching. (6) The Local Educational Authority shall pay the rector of the parish an annual rent of £ 8 for the school premises and the adjoining field. (7) The above terms to be embodied in an agreement. (8) The rector agrees that the sum of £ 60 now in the hands of the managers for elementary education purposes should be handed over to the Local Education Authority. The secretaries were instructed to write to the Bishop of St. Asaph, asking him if he would concur in granting the proposed lease to the Local Education Authority on these terms. A letter had since been received from the Bishop stating that he did not concur in the proposed transfer. Mr Simon Jones said he was sorry that the Bishop had vetoed the proposal, for he had hoped that the arrangement would have opened the way for the transfer of other schools which were struggling to the disadvantage of educa- tion in other parts of the oounty. The Bishop took the responsibility of upsetting the arrange- ment, but this action, he feared, would stiffen the backs of the oommittee with regard to other transfers, which they were ready in the interests of education to carry out. He moved that the report be adopted. Mr D. S. Davies seoonded. He heard with regret that the Bishop of St. Asaph was blocking the transfer. He had hoped that Wales in this matter was going to give a lead to England; for the terms offered were those embodied in the last Education Bill before the House of Com- mons, a measure largely inspired by the Bishop of St. Asaph himself. At any rate, so it was thought at the time. When one came to deal with a person who was inconsistent one did not know where one was, and the ways of the Bishop of St. Asaph were past finding out (laughter). There was the case of the National Council for Wales and the Secretary for Wales. The con- vention was called, and the bishops were at first a party to it, but afterwards the bishops simply went into their tent and would have nothing to do with the movement. The Welsh people had hoped to have a Minister as Scotland had, but their aspirations were thwarted in this way. When the application first came, from the Rector of Erbistock that committee thought that the Bishop was at the back of it, and Mr Evans told them he did not believe that there would be any difficulty in getting the Bishop's consent. Now the Bishop had vetoed the whole thing, and really it made progress towards a settlement of a vexed question impossible when the Educa- tion Committee wore fooled in this ignominious manner. Mr E. Allen (Colwyn Bay) asked that the Bishop's letter should be read. It might contain some explanation, which would put a different oomplexion on the matter. Mr W. R. Evans (secretary): I have it here. Mr E. Allen: I move that it be read. Mr W. R. Evans then read the letter, as fol- lows "Gentlemen,—I do not agree with the proposed transfer of Erbistock Non-provided School. Yours faithfully, A. G. Asaph." Mr Allen: That ia very abrupt, anyhow (laughter). The Secretary said he had received a letter from the Rector stating that the managers (all being present) had passed a resolution, by three votes to two, that the school should remain as at present. At a previous meeting they had carried a resolution in favour of the transfer. Colonel Sandbach said he would not attempt to defend the Bishop, who was well able to defend himself. It was a pity that the scheme had been gone into before the rector had consulted the Bishop upon it. Something which the oom- mittee did not know of must have induced the Bishop to veto the scheme at the last moment. The Bishop was not the man to play fast and loose in the way Mr Davies had alleged. He held very strong views, and would give vent to those views in public and private, and he was not a man who changed his views from day to day. Mr D. S. Davies: Oh, oh! (laughter). Mr Bennett Jones said he was thankful to the Bishop for refusing his consent to the transfer. The terms were too one-sided. The first clause wae3 all right, but the following clauses made it quite a dead letter (laughter). The committee decided to receive the report brought up by Mr Simon Jones.

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