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Rhyl and the Free Library Question. Public Meeting of Ratepayers. Lively Proceedings Determined Opposition. BY public meeting, convened at the instance of the Urban District Council, the ratepayers of Rhyl were afforded an opportunity on Friday evening last of discussing the ques- tion of the desirability or otherwise ol adopt- ing the Free Libraries Act, to comply with Mr Carnegie's gift of C,3,000 for the pro- vision of a building as a library. It does not speak well for the interest of the residents in the matter when it is stated that in proportion to the number of ratepayers the attendance was meagre but what there was of it savoured preponderatingly of the opposition to the proposal. The element of opposition towards the Council adopting the entire scheme had not been quiescent. It was undoubtedly carefully planned and well organised. Whatever might be the ulterior or selfish motives of some persons opposed to the project of the erection of a free library, there still remains the fact that Rhyl —bidding fair to be one of the most power- ful rivals as a seaside resort along the coast next season-still remains on a par with some small unprovided towns, and want of keeping pace with the times. It has been decided, as an outcome of the meeting, to take the plebescite of the ratepayers on the matter, and it will not be devoid of interest. Letters of Apology. Mr Thomas Whitley, J-P-, ohiaiarmiam of the Council, presided, and thcs,e on the platform were Messrs H. A. Tilby, F. J. Gamliin, J. W. JoinSiS', R. OHheM, and P. J. Ashfielld, etc. The Gleet (IMr A. Rowlands) aniniouinoed: a telegram' had' been; received from Clew's regretting inability to attend the. meet- ing, and expressing .the hope tfhiat the ratepayers would confirm the reeommieindaiti'oai of the Council. It wouild be disastrous if Mr Car- j];ejgfre',s offer wesre refused. The Vicar (Rev Thomas LHoyd') had written reignlattii'mg' that a long-standing, engagement pre- vented his attending the metering. As a rate- payier he was fully in; sympathy with. t'hlase who were against adding to the raiiels, 'but hie hoped What the Council wouOd, iby a policy of retrench- .mfenit and economy, keep tihie rate down while adopting the. Free Libraries Act. A town of the size and importance of Rhyl o'uigih't to haive a public free library—(hear, heJar, and applause, and hisses)-and a oomfortaihle and well-lighted and: hea'ted reading roam where the residents couid turn iax on a winter's evening, and spend their leisure hours with pleasure and profit. Air Carnegie's offer to provide such a buildiin.g was an opfotftimaty which might merer occur again. (Applause.) The Rev S. T. Jones wrote he was strongly in favour of a free library for the town.' The Secretary (Mr H. R. Holbaehe) of the Rhyl Advertising • and Improvement: Associa- tion, forwarded a latter intimating that he was instructed by the Executive Committee' of the association to state the members had passed a resolution that Mr Carnegie's offar be not ac- cepted. (Applause.) The Council's Scheme and Advocacy. Mr Arthur Rowlands, in -staffing the case for the Council, explained at the outset that in 1901 they heard of Mr Carnegie's miunificenk gifts- for the establishment of free li braries and it was then thought that perhaps Mr Car- negie would tlhink of Rhyl. At the time the remarks to. that effect were treated as a joke and laughed at; but in June, 1902, Mr He-rbent Lewis, ALP., wrote from the House of Com- m'ons ¡a Air Tiliby, who was then their chair- man, suggesting that Rhyl shlouldl apply to Mir Carnegie- for a gifit for a free library. Mr Tilby handed thelettiteir civeir wtiitlh a free hand to do wiifalt was dieemeidi blast. It was agreed that the ob- ject was a capital one, and they decided to pro- ceed with the matter. At a meeting on the i^dh July, 1902, the! Council adopted a memorial to 'Mr Garniegie, setting forth the circumtance's of Rhyl and ilts needs of a Free Public Library. That was supported by Mr Samuel Smith, M.r., on the iSth July of the same year. The reply was nolt readily forthcoming, whereupon, they forwarded a reminder, with the sesiulit that a letter was received as follows:—"Mr Carnegwe haid 226 such Library applications in Juily alone, which would be duly attended to in turn." That was dated September Jrd, 1902. Nothing more was heard, until June this year, when a letter was received as follow, "f,r Carnegie regrets that he has been unable hitherto to take up your letter of the 18th July, 1902, regarding Public Library, on account of the overwhelm- ing number of applications which he received last sammer. Particulars already sent should be amendieid if necessary, through aire red con- ditions on account of the lapse of time." That ? was fallowed by much correspondence, and eventually Mr Carnegie forwarded an offer, dlalted Auiguist 20th last, from Skibo Castle, stat- ing he would be glad to give £ 3,000 to erect a Free Library building if the Free Public Libraries' Act were adopted, and the assess- ment undeir it levied then, so thiait there might be money to stock the library wlhe'n' built, pro- ducing £ 211 per year, as stated [by the Council. A site rmusit allso be given far (be buiildiing, the cast not to be a burden upon the id raite. Mr Rowlands s,a,id thtat t'hanenfbre the gift was made uipon tibe three conduit ions The adop- tion of the PuiMic Libraries' Act; the levying of the maximum rate df id in the tlhen, so that there migJht he money to stock the library when! biii'lt; and: the provfisibn of a site for the library, the cost not 'being a burden on 'the rate. In regard to the question of adiotp'.tiion, oif'the Adt, the Council were empaw'e:red: by tlhfe;ir own reso- lution to adopt the Act, and if they did, adopt it they would be under an obligation to' carry Ù into effedt. As to the, neicessilty far levying a rate, the Act mnglhit be adopted w/Ïtlh a limita- ltion, of the rate tio 76 d -or a/d in the £ buit whlilch miilght afterwards be removed bv resolu- tion of this Council. However, Mr Oarnegie j'n- sisted on the rate of rtd. The Councia had offered a site ad jointing the Town Hall, where the old. Pal/ice- S'taitifon and stand's were, W_I- thle addiiiti'tom of the open ground', and also of the old Bank offices. That scheme had been fully expilaijned tio Mr CamnegÜe by Ontd planis. The ab'andtonm'ent of the old bank and the old poliice buildings might caulse the Coun- cil a loss of £70 or 68o ini rents, and besides they would have 100 dispose of the. Miortuary and provide anOthler one'. It would; not be a niaiteir of mluch distress to anyone when t'he Mortuary was reimOived. filcim its present posi- tion. (Heair, hear and applause.) Those matters had been; wefl.1 considered by the Coun- cil, but it was believed t'hait loss wo'ulld be com- p's;tLvd far by increased revenue from the en,- largemieinit of the Town Hall. (Hear, hear.) The' Council had suffered altfo cioin'siidefflaible loiss owing 110 their ndt befinjg a!b!e to let the Tlowm Hall, in conisequenioe of the Counoill iriequirinig the use of the ante-roloim'si aJdjoÓnin'g..An:oltlhlr ccmsideiiaffion and asset' Which the C'ouncill relied upon was the grleat benefit wihiilch mIght accrue boilhe town fr.am the library, by elevat- jirjg the young ,-mlan: and women reslidieinits, sav- ing them frtom evil habits, itihe previaJleince at wlhuCh. always tended to cause distress and poverty i.n tciwms. It woiulld also be, a boon to Rihyl, and be the mteiains. of railsing- Rihyll stiill higher en tlhe Hank 0f first-claiss' towns, (ilear, hear.)1 Mfr Carnie|gli'e',s. offer; came beifbrne the G e'll'elI'allPluJDploSlel,s CicHmimititeie; on the; 31st Auiguis't last, andi ftlhiey recommended ithe Count- oi'l to acceipia -iit wfiitih sincere' giUaitiitudie amd un- bounded' appiraaialtiilan: of has ruolble 's|pir)i;t. ThaJt rasoiiiu'dioin was unaniimiduislly confirmiedl on the 14th Sepitemlber. S-uibsequen/tly, t/h'e siucveyor was .inst'ruicted to prapiare a plan o;f the f ree Library, with a view of extensfexn of tlhle Town Ball, oaa. the ske of the old) police station.. Thait was done, and the estimated! cost was 63,500, indludinig the necelsisatr-y altiarfations to the Town Hall. The plans, were ad/opted. He me,n- tconed in concllusion that the Council were, not bound to call a public melettJi, bruit they were; not anxious1 to act in opposition to tlhle general wishes of the ratepayers of the townl. ('Hear, hear.) The Coumcil waist strongly in faivoux of a Frei,-i PulbHilc Liibrary, and' although tlhiay had accepted' Mr Oarnegie's gift there could be no valid .acceptance, before the ciandliltiitas- had beein fulfillliedi. lit .WO'U'ld be saitiiisfiajcloory to (he; Cotuni- ci'l if that m'eieitiing xmvfitd clanry a resolution in support of tlhelir acceptance olf the gift. (Ap- pLa use). Air tthe Teia,uieis,t of the, Clhajirimiani, Mr Goodall, the survey or, explained! the: plans oif the pro- PIOiS ed Lilbratry, and the Town- Eliall extensioin, by melans of llanlbern sdidefs (pirepairetd by Mr A. Qbeefclhlam), and thrown, uipon a .aoreem at the, rear of the; plaitifotnm. Alfitietr the deimolition, of the old poliice buiiildiings thie library .buiiBfd'iing WOiuild be. ereafced einibirielly upom the ground floor, an d: it was proposed to the enitran.ee' of the' odd Bank ''1JS the only en" trainee to tfhte Library. There wouM! be. a reference; room, whilst ddreicttly oPlpiolsifre the enitnance w'oiuddl be located tfhe leindiLng depairt- mienit. Oither rooms would be provided for thie librarian, etc. In, regard to the Town Hall ilt w;a)s propcSsied to enillarige the sitlage, whilst at the same itiiimie Ithiere would be pirlavtiidied addlistionial selab [lIg accamimodiatlion for 150 perstoins in the haJl'l. The. prelsenlt Coumaiil Ohiaimlbelr could,, be reserved entirely for thlei OOluilloi1"s puaposeis, anid he TOWDJ HaJJ woulld! be piractiaailily self- contained. The' proposed alterations, archi- tecitiually, woiuld be. in fceefpaingi wiiitfh he preseint style of bufildliag, and the wfhole of the cost of the extensions etc., he esitiimaJc'ed at ^3,650. (Girlies; pit "Oh!") Mr Elwy Williams Again. Mir E,I;iNy dt's: red to ask Mr Row- lands- whether there was a provision! in the Public ■LdibtiairtiieB' A'cft to oak,,e, G; vldte of the ratiejpayars? The Ciler'k: NO. Mr Bliwy asked thle clerk how he explained selcitiion. Ill, eulb'-secitioai I ? The; Clerik That has been, repealled. (Laugh- ter). In artswer -to fuirtthier quieisffioinjs the Clerk said the ratepayers could not demand a poll. The trasoluiaioin, oif (halt mleeitinig would not be binding, bult he was sure ,t wiomld have: a powerful in- fl,ulencle oil, 'the CioUlnrcim. (Hear, helatr.) The odd! Z650 couilid he borrowed. (A voice: Oh! more' borrowing). Rlev R. Richards slaid tihalt i!f a rascilution of that meeting would not be bikiditng it was no uSieamguíilng tihie miartfter. (Hear, hear). Rqplyiinig to M-r Elwy William's-, the ^Suirveyoir said tlhat £ 2 000 would' be reqiuiired for the lyibnary. buildlinig, anicl the balance of 61,650 co-ulld he ultiffifeeid for the. Town. Balll extensions. \fr Elwy Wiiillliaims What will ble the annual dhargeoiDI the ^2,000? (iJauigflnter). The Chaitrmlan pointed, oiut (hat £ 3,000 was .promiiised. Tlhie Cfouncil could not pledge theim- sdlivas by a nelsoiuit'iom of thait metering. (Criea of "Oh !") An Eloquent Protest. Mr Joseph LllOyldl, solicitor, addlresisiihg 'tihe audience from the; plaifcfioinm, saiid he was a rate- payer, a member of the Ratepayers' Associ- ation, and (heir representative hlait might. He desired everyone to be siajflisfiad uipon tlhriele poiinitis before appflovinig of the scheme. First, wiheiiher there wiais a gerjuinie or [lelalldemlandi ib -for the liibrlary—(ajppotuise),—whether the id rate would be sufficient, and the ratepayers could afford :itt? Wlhiat .Was 'the; deimiand, and who diemiandfed the liibtany? (A voice: "The Counaill.) Visitoms; came to RlhiyfL for fresh air and enjoyment, not to ooap themiselives up in a Warn to- Stluidy. The demands of -the visitors coulidibe stupplied by the circulatinig libraries, One argument advanced im favour of (he library was itihait it would1, be a place for recreation and ediulctatiito'nail puitlpioseis. (LaTiighlLer and, applause.) Ais to (hie quiesitiioni of reicreiaitiiion, wag. there any- one who bad ^tudlield tifie financial posiiltibn who had! aJsked for another penny to be added to the raiteis flor reoraationi. (Ctiiels of "Nlo."). Why, wais it not Nero Who fiddled when Rome was burnrinig? and a;pipirausi(-) He had observed it srtlated thiait the persons who were objecting to (hie liibirary ware those who had got iiibnanies at home. Hut he did neft believe that. (Hear, hear.) The persons who wanted (halt libnary were (hose; who; had got librtaities at hlome thetefore, he would say iO tlhem, "Go ■borne and, read your books." (He&r, hear.) Had not many who had got libraries stood be- fore therrn w-itih, feeliri;gs oif reigileft and despair— il,eigrelt that tfhey could nlolt nelad the old boioks, ■amd despair that they never could read all the books? (Hear, heiar.) Circulating Libraries. Person's could join, the circulating Iiibwari)eis,olf the town, whieite 'they oouldl glt any Ibololk they Jtiked for a DJomnJnla1, sum. (Voices "No fear." "'No, you cannot get what yom want.") He was asisur.edi at thiosei lii.brainiies any books could be obtained if thelrle, was a d.e.miand. BUlt, (bene was not that' demaind'. Talk about educational purposes (A votice "Baihl") Take a work- ing man and place him in a room surrounded by books, he would perhaipts want somieonie, in the first imisnianice who updieirstobd. the books (o advise him ■ which wtere the beftteir to read. (Cr-ds of "No, no.") He would teilil therm hiiis experience, which, woulld be borne out by Mr G'a>mSin.. When/ they were .s'tuldying law, and •placed in libraries surrounded by laiw books, Itlhey diid nuit know what to study. (A voice "Ah! That's a different thding altogether.") If that wais so, tihen he agreed! to differ. (Laugh- ter and applla.u!se.)i If (hey were going to have a Free Library far educaftional purposes, they miust have a class wihere; doiulhts and' difficulties m.usit be explained and ramOivedi. In t'hat re- spect a laibraay would be no use. In Lanca- shire and Yorkshire, he adrndtfted, libraries were of great eldlulcla;tli'Ollllall p.urpaseis, for t'heire. werei greialt industries, alndl wonkinigmen' visitdd them, and also, (hose in (he Potiteriiies, to. study thie h(iisi(oiriejs of (hair trades. (Appteuse.) Buit wlhlait i'ndiu'sitiry had they iin RhyT? They bad gqc sihlriiimlps.—(laughter).—<anld he was in- formed they were to have coicikilias; but there was nio s'tandfacnd work oni sihlriimps or Cockles.. (L/auighter and applause.) There weire towns eq/ually as progtaasisive as RlhylJ., which had: re- Ulseld SUloh gli£Ds oIf lliibrfariias, because (hey ware c.onsÚjd'eredi they WCYUilJdI n'ot be beneficial to the towns. (Hear, hear.) Tlher el was; a class of people who coiiad not resist giftis of that kinidl wihiein they were dan(g<ladl belfone fthem. They were like liaidilios who want intto shops for-bar- gains wihich milglhit be faisihionalble, but were not necessaries. He was a married -nan-(heiaT, hear, and liauiglhteir)—'and he thought the' audii- enrCe lWoulld agree with hliim a:s to wihalt he was tallkiinig aboutt. {Lornd lauigihlteir.); If the Free Liilbmamies' Act weire adloipted, it woiulid emtaill a IpelllpeltulalltJax uipomt ifultiure giene.rations.. (A voice: "That'is not much.") There W Oiuild ailsio be required the nede.saa.rv officials, as well as the furnishing, llifghltinig, dleaning, etc. but woiuild. tihe id rate 'Satiiiafiy alll tihoise demands ? The natepiayens shouild oOtnlSlÎ1detD the many housieis which ware- empty im< RlhJyll and the deip-roci,;iatiDn df piroiplerty, as weill as the high ijiate of the ilatesi. The High Rates. Mr .Rowlands at a racanti inquiry had said thiajt the rates would be 8s gd in the £ and itjhat wais, a taremendiO'US flate for sUidh a tOiw.n; and tlhlait hiighiar. ratels oo,,uflidi not be borne with- out disastrous resnillas: (Loud applause.) Was iiit noit, (ime to take, .a id off the~ .raites instead of puitraing one o!n? (Applause.) The; character- ais'iijc oif tlhiilsage was extravagance. The demo- CMacy was oin its trial, and the varidiot of pos- terity would aondemm it far iSts extravagance. Allil thouiglhtifluil mem were sloiundiimg "H,al.,t We're the, Rihyl ratepiayeins gfoting to listen, tio it? Were, they going to be draigigied intto. tlhtait mael- stromL of exiiiflavaganoe: whi'dh, witih eveir-nairroW- inig and ever-quickeining ciitlcles., would at læslt bring (hem to that fate from which (hey would find they coulld not escape? (Laughter and apipffiaulse.) Mr H. A. Tliiliby asiked the. audiende to fargelt the alluring1 finale piut forth by Mir Llloyd, and 'treat the quesfen fnom a business ipoiiniti df view. Ever sliince he had hElen a melillibrer of tihie; Council he had, been in favour of a free liiibirary, if it were" possible to get one. He; had ■never beamd a. single counidilffioir eixiporess aru opfini'op that was antagionilstiilc (o the principle- ■oif suicp a lilbranry for (he town. Bruit they had ipaulsieid' on .account Off economy, and felt n.Jaft: perhaps it was nolttihe right (iimie to saddle the ratqpayeirls wilth addMomal burdens. Wlhen diiis- culssinig .the qiuesttitoni in the, Council he was one who thought theire; slhould be a public meeting of the ratepayers"—{loud appllausie)—and he was pxepaired! to abide by thie decision of that meet- ing, for Ee believed finmly in demioloitatic gov- ernmennt, and, as he was; a representative of the ratepayeirs, if they expressed (heiir vielwis in no uncertain sound be should cairry QiUlt their be- hesitls. (Alppfllause.) He fully recognised that the- library wbuld me:a.,n am adidffitlionail id on the rates. Mr Lloydl had; 'hiated thiale the men of the ftown hladl nott the mental capacity to iredoignise jihie quetsfion; bult he (Mir Tillbv) had greater confidence in. the inteligeinCe of the people. Mr Lloyd hard been speaking' from instruc- tlilons, and he was speaking; from expieinience. (Loiud ajppilaus'e.) He sltlr.onig11 y comibatteid Mir Lloyd's arguments, and said! t/hialt, as one who bad had 30 years' experience of teaching, mUlclh ediueaitiilomial efflort was wastedl unletsis there wais some sort oif continuation! Slchoollls(lrup!palaiUls'e)- ,an(-I, as theire were no sufch in.sitfitiuitiionis, he fully ib'eli'eved the, ytra<mg" pecple of (he town would detiive soimle educational advantaige from the library. He coimtmeindted the raitepaj^eiris to vote for the library. (Loud; applause.) Mr Elwy Williams and Solomon. Mr Elwy Williams' said they had heard two paid pleaders tmlalt might, and! the diiffeirieince be- tween, them was. that Mr Lloyd palid rates in 11he towtn, and' Mr Rowlands did not. (A voice: "IShame, and applause.) He could as- sure the ratepayers he wais not agiaimsit the free Jibraoiy; bult, as Siolomioin said, thiere was tiime f'qr eV'til\Yltfulrng-Üme, to cry, time to laiujgh, and time to have a library, and biime not to have iit. He cotrabanldied (here, was noWhiinig to prevent the Councli taking tihe vorilce. of the ratepayers, vol- untarily—(hear, hear)—by leaving voting papers ait the houses, and asking the rakepayerls whether they wanted. the library. Lie. was a thorough democrat, and he wanted the voice of the public. (Applause.) It was nice t:o have Mr Carnegie's offer; but it miust be remem- bered that Rhyl was very poor at the pre,sien,t tfaie, and! thalt (here was mulch property not oc- cupied. Such, a ,sita,te of affairs wOlUildi continue unlelsls they had some reform and retrenchment to lower the rairies. (Hear, hear.) He was afraid they would have to go to the walld. (Laugh- ter.) He moved! that the Council be asked to issue voicing papers to the rat,elpia-ye)n. Mr Asher, late1 p6stmiasitar of RihOl, delivered a long, speeich, in, wihich he reicdteld the. numiber of (owiie, incluiding sevenail in Nomth Wales, wlhelre sUlch libnaniies had been adloipted. He favouredi Mlr Ðl-wy- Williiamis' proposal, but be- lieved -if they could) dio something (o educate the young peqple, after gMcoo4, it would be one of the greatest Mesisiings tbiait could he ■conferred in Rhyl. (A:p¡plJ.laulse ) lit seamed an extriaordinary matter oin. the piaait of some peTisonts to. have, free libraries, but he would re- mind theim thlat tirea libraries were originated eomeltihlinigi like 4,000 yeairs aigo—-in the time of the. A'ssyniants.. (Lauigti)cer and aof liauise.) Tlhe Clerk tlhein read irfhe resolution., which • wiais as foillo",Is,Th)at a poia of tlhe rtaJtelplayeríS be taken 011 tlhe question, whether- they are for or against (be Counail adiorpiring the Free Liibramies' Act on the condition, offeæedi by Mir Ciamegie." iMr H. A. Tliiliby And thaiti (heiiir decision shall be final. Thiait should be m:ade quite clear. The Cllerk Yes. The motion, which was seconded, was pufe to the meleting, and carniedi u,naniiimo.usly.

—— At Crewe on' Mianday, Wlillillilalm Henry Powell, railway mian, was dhargad wifcb dirunk- enneiss. Dill Satulriday nijght his landflialdy wa's lobdik)e.dl Itto reimomsitnaite wileh him, and asked him; to laaiviei her house. He retaliated by say- ing that 'he would kiiss her, and in ,aldtremrptli,llIg tb do so alvmoisti bfitt a portion off her cheek off. The prisoner said thait he always behaved so when in' drink, owing to his serviicie in India and the late war. He wais coimanliltted to prison for 14 diays-.

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