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NORTH WALES LUNATIC ASYLUM. r' -> QUARTERLY MEETING OF VISITORS. NONCONFORMIST MINISTRATION TO BE PROVIDED IN THE ASYLUM. The quarterly meeting of the Committee of Visitors of the North Wales Counties Lunatic Asylum was held at the Castle Hotel, Conway. on Tuesday afternoon. Mr. P. P. Pennant presided, and the other visitors present were âMessrs. J. Watkin Lumley, W. G. Rigby (Ruthin), P. E. Story (Denbigh), A. Foulkes (Hendregyda, Abergele), W. Elwy Williams (Rhyl), W, Jones (Holywell), Dr. Roberts (Festiniog), Dr. Hughes (Bala), T. Williams Jones (Menai Bridge), Harry Clegg (Llangefni), John Hughes (Portdinorwic), Edward Jones (Conway), and Col. C. S. Mainwaring. together with Dr. Cox (medical superintendent), and Mr. W. Barker (elerk). FLINT AND MERIONETH VISITORS. The Chairman intimated that the counties of Flint and Merioneth had re-elected the gentle- men who had previously acted in that capacity as visitor? for the current year. THE SECRETARY OF STATE APPROVES THE TEMPORARY BUILDINGS. The Clerk read a letter from the Commission- ers in Lunacy respecting the temporary accom- modation proposed to be erected at Denbigh, pointing on the minor alterations on the plans, such as ventilation of dormitories, &c., which could be effected without additional cost. En- closed with the letter wts the authority of the Secretary of State for the erection of tempor- ary accommodation for one hundred patients, conditional upon the structure being removed at the end of four years from the date of its erection, provided the sanction of the Secre- tary of State be not obtained at the end of that time for its continuance as accommodation for patients. Mr. Edward Jones (Conway), asked if it would be wise to spend so much money on the tem- porary building, seeing that it would have to be removed in four years. The Chairman did not think that it was meant that the building should be done away with altogether. The condition, he thought, was to prevent the building to be used for the parpose of accommodating patients after the lapse of four years. It could be used after- wards for other purposes. Mr. W. Elwy Williams (Rhyl) did not under stand that the building must be removed alto gather. They could use the building for some purpose, or utilize the materials. The Chairman: The Materials could be either sold or utilized. Mr. W. Jones (Holywell) remarked that the building would not be erected on the land wanted for the new permanent building, and would not be in the way. Mr. W. Elwy Williams said they would perhaps be allowed to leave it standing after the expiration of four years. The Cleik thought if they could satisfy the Home Secretary that it would not be used in any way for the accommodation of patients, it would be allowed to stand. The Chairman observed that the erection was probably conditionally sanctioned 8e that it would not be made a loophole for the visitors to get out of the necessity of providing perma- nent accommadation. The matter then dropped. THE CONTRACTS FOR THE NEW BUILDINGS. CARNAEVONSHIRE OBJECTS. The next business was the question of autho- rising the signing of contracts with Mr. Samuel Warburton for additional buildings, and Mr. T. A. Wynne Edwards for temporary buildings. -The Chairman remarked that the mere passing of the resolutions at the last meeting accepting the tenders would not be sufficient, and it would be necessary for them to nomi- nate some members to sign the contract on behalf of the Committee. Mr. J. W. Lumley proposed that the Chair- man, Mr. T. Gold Edwards, and the Clerk be authorised to sign the contracts. Mr. P. E. Story seconded. Mr. W. Elwy Williams moved as an amend- ment that a member from each county in the Union be appointed to sign. That would bind all the counties. Col. Mainwaring observed that that would cause delay. Mr. A. Foulkes seconded the amendment. Mr. Rigby: The Chairman represents all the counties. Mr. John Hughes questioned if the Carnar- von County Council would instruct any of its members to sign. He had been instructed to propose that the contract be not signed. Mr. Elwy Williams was then appealed to to withdraw his amendment, but he declined to do so. If there was nothing in his amendment it could not do any harm. What Carnarvon- shire might do did not affect him. Let them lefuse to sign if they so wished. Col. Mainwaring supported the original motion, saying that the Chairman represented all the counties, and Mr. Gold Edwards repre- sented the subscribers. The question was put to the vote, and the amendment was rejected,, Mr. John Hughes then said he would, as a protest on the part of Carnarvonshire, move as a further amendment that the contract be not signed. The amount proposed to be spent was far beyond the sum that even the most zealous supporters of the works at Denbigh had antici- pated, and that in itself was a sufficient reason for protesting. At Rhyl, they had been told the work was to cost £ 49,000. Now, it had risen to £ 80,000, and even that sum did not cover everything. He thought that ample ground for objecting to the scheme. Mr. Edward Jones seconded the amendment, and remarked that he had always protested against the scheme, even when the figures were much lower than at present. The figures given now did not cover the whole of the ground. And feeling as they did in Carnarvonshire, that they did not know where they were going; they did not wish to continue in the Union. The Chairman disagreed with Mr. Hughes as to what the amount was stated to be at Rhyl. The tender sent in by Mr. Warburton was lower than the estimate then submitted. The £ 80,0()0 comprised a number of other thine- beyond what was estimated for at the Rhyl meeting, such as water supply, drainage, fittings, architects' charges, draughting quanti- ties, and so on. Extras had been accepted which raised the figure. He, personally, had opposed some of the extras, but they were urged on fcy some of the Carnarvonshire mem bers. Mr. Lumley said he just expected the Car- narvonshire members would take the course they did, for he had been forewarned by a paragraph with which no doubt the Carnarvon. shire gentlemen were accquainted in a daily paper suggesting that these steps should be taken. He was very sorry for Mr. Hughes in the position he was in thai day, for he was one of the gentlemen who had urged the extras the Qhairman tried to advise them not to adopt, on t ttieC5mnrittee. And at the time, he,(Mr. 7 Lumle) was very Phased to think that Car- l narvonsl ,??, rc *[&*<> beautify the 3 A»ylam i (lang&c;). Mr. Hughes: Has Mr. Lumley any records to substantiate his assertion ? Mr. Lumley (continuing) said it was not their desire to make the Asylum a costly build- ing, and the figures were within those figures submitted at the Rhyl meeting. He was not surprised that Carnarvonshire should take the steps they had, but he wished to remind them that they had agreed with the committee at Rhyl. Mr. John Hughes: We did not agree. Cries of 'Vote.' Mr. Edward Jones: I should like to please Mr. Lumley, but I give way so that the vote may be taken. On a division, twelve voted in favour of signing the contracts by the gentlemen named in the resolution, and two (Messrs. J. Hughes a.nd Edward Jones) against. Mr. John Hughes And the same two dis- sented at Rhyl. THE EMPLOYMENT OF A SOLICITOR. The Chairman suggested that a solicitor be appointed to act with the subcommittee in the signing of the contract Mr. Story moved that Mr. J. Parry Jones, Denbigh, be appointed. Mr. W. Jones seconded. Mr. Lumley proposed, and Mr. T. William Jones seconded, the appointment of Mr. R. Humphreys Roberts, of Denbigh. Five voted for Mr. Humphreys Roberts and four for Mr. Parry Jones, and the Chairman declared Mr. Humphreys Roberts appointed. It was agreed, on the motion of Mr. Harry Clegg, that the House Committee be appointed as a building committee to carry out the pre. liminary details of the contract. THE PROPOSAL TO ADOPT BRYN SEIONT AS A TEMPORARY ASYLUM DEFERRED. A minute was reacl by the Clerk of a meeting of the Sub-committee appointed to visit and in- spect Bryn Seiont House, Carnarvon, to the effect that he had been instructed to draw up a report. That report was duly signed by the members of the Sub-committee, and attached to the agenda of this meeting. It was to the following eftect:- The Sub-committee visited Bryn Seiont on the 12th day of December j^and in their report, deemed it expedient to confine themselves to statements of facts, as near as they could be ascertained. The house, which is well situated, well built, and in a good state of repair, is esti- mated to accommodate forty patients, provided the attics are used. Certain structural altera- tions would be required, and a new bath and W.Cs. would have to be provided at an estima- ted cost of £ 60. Provisions for laundry work would have to be made; but the larders and kitchen appear sufficient; and there is a good kitchen garden available, and could be added I to. Water and gas are laid on from the Car- narvon town supplies. The grounds for exer- cise and walks appear sufficient. The drainage would have to be relayed, and a new sewer out- fall provided. In view of the report of Mr. Frere, the Visiting Lunacy Commissioner, to the effect that the primary difficulty to be sur- mounted would be that of the provision of a suitable outfall for drainage, the Committee paid particular attention to the question, and had before them a Huggested scheme prepared by Mr. Evans, the Carnarvonshire County Sur- veyor, in consultation with Dr. Frazer. the Medical Officer of Health. The scheme ap- peared feasible; but the consent of the Railway Company would be necessary for taking the drain across, and along the line part of the way. It wan understood by the Committee that the local Visitors had approached the Railway Company, and anticipated a favourable reply. In case the negotiations were carried further, the Committee considered, that inasmuch as the liquid sewage would find its way to the Seiont, and a straining tank would have to be erected, the local Sanitary and River Authorities should be consulted, with a view to securing that both those projects meet with their approval, as any objection on their part after the financial ar- rangements had been concluded would prove serious. The Clerk estimated the outlay on the house drainage at about f30, and that on the main sewer at about JE120. The County Sur- veyor considered the latter could be carried out for £ 100 at the outside. The rent of the house, with garden and grounds of three acres, to- gether with seven acres and a half of pasture land, is E200 per annum; and the rates would be, approximately, f,50 per annum. The ser- vices of a Medical man would have to be en. gaged at a probable cost of £40, exclusive of drugs and a Chaplain would also be required. According to the Medical Superintendent, the staff required would consist of one head atten- dan t, three day attendants, one night attendant, a cook, and a laundry maid in case the washing be done at the house. The Clerk was of opinion that the cost per head per week of maintaining patients at Bryn Seiont (inclusive of rent and rates) would be about 14s.' The report was signed by Messrs. P. P. Pen- nant, John Hughes, John R. Hughes, T. Wil- liams Jones, and Harry Clegg; but the last named did not express any opinion on the feasibility of Mr. Evans' drainage scheme, or cost thereof. Mr. Harry Clegg moved, and Dr. Hughes seconded, that the report be received. Mr. Lumley moved, that for the present the taking of Bryn Seiont be left in abeyance. When the temporary building in Denbigh had been completed, they would know exactly what further accommodation they would require; and it would be better to deferthis matter until then. Mr. Story seconded. Mr. W. Elwy Williams disapproved of shel- ving' the matter. It was clearly understood that the provision of temporary accommodation at Denbigh would not interfere with the taking of Bryn Seiont. And he did not consider it genuine business, nor straightforward, to put the matter off until those buildings were erec- ted. He moved that a copy of the report be sent to the Commissioners in Lunacy, and that the Committee should proceed with the negotia- tions as far as they could. Of course, if the Lunacy Commissioners stepped in. they could not help it,; but it was their duty to do all they could to cake Bryn Seiont over. Mr. Rigby seconded the amendment. The Chairman stated that they had a defi- ciency of two hundred in their accommodation; and notwithstanding the fact that patients were provided for at Glan-y-wern, Derby, and on trial at private places, they had still to over- crowd the main Asylum in a way that was most repugnantâ or ought to be-to every member of the Committee. In July, they weie prepared to take Bryn Seiont if it was approved by the Commissioners in Lunacy. And as the tempo- rary building would only accommodate 100 patients, and as it was desii-abi e to have reserve accommodation at the main Asylum, the house would still be wanted. If they could get on with the alterations necessary to make it avail- able for the purpose, they were in honour bound to take it. Unless there were reasons to the contrary, they ought to carry out the resolution come to in the July meeting. For his part, he could see no reason for departing from that resolution. Mr. Clegg mentioned the question of getting the consent of the Railway Company to carry out the scheme of drainage. Mr. Elwy Williams observed, that his amend- ment covered that question. Mr. Lumley remarked that a reference was made in the report of the Sub-committee to the attics. How many patients did they intend to accommodate in the attics? The Clerk replied that fifteen could be pro- vided for. Mr. Lumley: Then, there is only accommoda- tion for 25 below! The Clerk: Yes. Mr. Story: Absurd! Dr. Roberts asked if it would not be cheaper to provide further accommodation in the tempo- rary building? (hear, hear).- Mr. T. Williams Jones: Who is to pay for the drainage of Bryn Seiont ? The Chairman: We must have the house put in the order we supposed it to be in, when we first entered into the negotiations. Mr. John Hughes suggested that the matter be deferred to the next quarterly meeting. He had reasons for thinking the Carnarvon Visitore would, by then, have definite information to submit. Mr. Lumley and Mr. Elwy Williams agreed to that course, and it was accordingly adopted. 11 THE RELIGIOUS SERVICES AT THE ASYLUM. NONCONFORMIST MINISTRATIONS TO BE PROVIDED. forcing a Church of England Priest on Nonconformist Patients. The Committee having referred the prepara- tion of a scheme for Nonconformist ministra- tions at the Asylum to the House Committee, the following recommendations were submitted by that Committee to this meeting â 1. That a chaplain he appointed at a salary of £o per annum. 2. That a. Nonconformist minister be ap- pointed at £ 80 per annum. 3. Thata Roman Catholic priest be appointed at X,10 per annum. 4. That divine services be performed as fol- lows, according to such regulations decided upon by the House Committee, together with, as may be decided by the Committee, visitation y visitation of the wards, attendance upon the sick or dy- ing, and burial of the dead two Sunday ser vices and two week-day services at the Asylum, and the same number at Glan-y-wern; these services to be attended and used alternately by the chaplain and Nonconformist minister. One Sunday service to be attended and held by the Roman Catholic priest at least once a fort- night. 5. That such alterations of the General Rules and Regulations as may be necessary to give affect to the above recommendations be car- ried out. 6. That such notice as may be decided upon by the Quarterly Meeting be given to the pre- sent chaplains to terminate their present en- gagements. 7. That advertisements inviting applications for the appointment of chaplain, Nonconfor- mist minister, and Roman Catholic priest, as referred to above, be inserted in the Banner, Free Press, Cambrian News, and The Carnarvon and Denbigh Herald. After the recommendations had been read, The Chairman said he was not present at the House Committee when they were passed, and he did not know that he altogether agreed with them Mr Lumley: A moment, sir, on a point of order. They are the recommendations of the House Committee, whether the Chairman was present or not. The Chairman: Quite so. Continuing, he went on to explain that he agreed with the principle of the resolutions. There was an endeavour to carry out denominational services on equal footing. With that he entirely agreed (hear, hear). What he disagreed with was the detail. He did not think that regulations laid down for Glan-y-wern and the main Asylum would work well; and, therefore, thought they ought to be treated separately. He also thought the chaplain had been treated in rather a') off- handed manner. He had been an officer of the Asylum for something like 15 years. And if they were going to make those alterations in his duty, it would have been courteous to con- sult with him. He might give them some satis- factory information and help in the matter. It was not a] together desirable for the chaplain to see for the first time in the public news- papers that he was to have two or three months notice of the termination of his engagement. He hoped the recommendations would be re- ferred back to the House Committee to con- sider the question of separating Glan-y-wern from the scheme. Mr. Lumley proposed the adoption of the re- port of the House Committee, and trusted it would not be referred back at all. He was very pleased the Chairman agreed with the principle of equity involved in the recommen- dations. It was not out of a want of courtesy to the chaplain that they had not consulted with him. They had had no instructions to consult him. What had been referred to them was the preparation of a scheme for Noncon- formist ministration in the Asylum, and that they had done without consulting the feelings of any officer. The scheme they had prepared was, as the Chairman admitted, a fair one in principle, and he hoped the Committee would adopt it. Mr. F. W. Jones seconded. The Chairman moved that it be referred back to the House Committee to treat Glan y-wern separately. This was seconded. Mr. Lumley said he would leave Glan-y-wern out of the scheme, if they desired. Mr. Clegg considered this a very important matter. They had decided upon the principle of religious equality but he doubted the wis- dom of committing themselves hastily to de- tails. He was in favour of deferring the mat- ter. The amendment to defer the question was put, and six voted for it, and seven against. It was, therefore, declared that the scheme of the House Committee be approved, with the omis- sion of Glan-y wern. A Voice It has been rushed (' order' and chair'). Mr. I). Elwy Williams gave notice that he would, at the next meeting, bring Glau-y-wern up again. There was no reason why it should be specially treated. A great preponderance of the patients there were Nonconformists, and why should a priest of the Church of England be forced upon them. Mr. Story said he should like to ask the Clerk's opinion as to the legality of the resolu- tion. Mr. Barker said he thought it was ultra vires, and he had so advised the Committee all along. Mr. Elwy Williams Ultra vires or not, it is passed now. The Clerk: Yes; and if unlawful, the Com- mittee must bear the responsibility. He then said it would be necessary for this meeting to decide upon the term of the notice, as the House Committee had left that question for the Quarterly Meeting. Mr. Lumley proposed, and Mr. William Jones seconded, that six months' notice be given to the chaplain, and this was agreed to. NUMBER OF PATIENTS UNDER TREATMENT. The Clerk reported that there were 684 pa- tients under treatment, namely Private patients, 18 males and 15 females pauper pa- tients at Denbigh, 308 males, 247 females at Glan-y-wern, 71 females; on trial, 2 females; at Derby, 23 males. The pauper patients were apportioned as follows:âDenbighshire, 175 (11 over quota); Flint, 153 (46); Anglesey, 82 (13); Carnarvon, 165 (1); Merioneth, 75 (7); Out-counties, 1.

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