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South Wales Black Cattle Society.
South Wales Black Cattle Society. PROPOSED AMALGAMATION WITH NORTH WALES. A meeitinior of the members of the South Wales Black Cattle Herd Book Society was held at the Yelverton Arms, WI-dtiand, on Friday last, when there were present. Mr J. M. Griffiths, Penally Court, in the chair Mx J. W. Harries, Pilroath; Mr T. Rees, Glan- yrafonddu MrJ. Scourfield, Blaenwernddu; Mr D. H. Thomas, Starling Park; Mr J. Owen, Hafod; Mr J. M. Evans, Blethei- stone; Mr W. Reynolds, Trebanel'l: Mr E. Hughes, Aberelwyn Mr R. Harries, Llanry- tttuan; Mr Howell Davies, Danygraig; Mr Theophilus Ho wells, Oefnoooh; Mr Samuel Thomas. Bwlc-hgwynt; Mr John Owen, Llwyn- derw; Mr J. S .Owen, Llanlliwe; Mr W. Ernest Evans, Robeston Hall; Mr J. Williams Love Lodge Mr Ivor Lloyd Davies, Deri- moilon; Mr Dd. Lloyd, Glyniwel; Mr Ben Morris, Werniberu; Mr John Howells, Waun- rhyddod Mr Richard Jones. Pantymaen; Mr J. Thomas, Forest Dr Thomas, Whitlaiid; Mr J. Williams, Cefnfairohen; and the hon. sec. Mr James- Thomas). xxr A telegram was received from Mr J. W. Reynolds-, one of the deputation to Shrews- bury, stating that lie had just missed the tnarim at Haverfordwest. Mr J. Heathoote Addy, estate agent, at Llianover, Abergavenny, wrote "I fegret owing to the County Council election I shall be unaible to attend the meeting of the South Wales Black Cattle Herd Book Society, at Whitland. on the 4th prox., but I have heard! of the proposition and am entirely in favour of the scheme. I am of the opinion that such amalgamation as proposed would be greatly to the benefit of the Welsh Rational Herd Book, and it would also bring the breed into xarucih greater prominence than already ob- tains. If voting is allowed by proxy I hope You will record my vote in favour of the pro- posed amalgamation." The Hon. Sec. (Mr J. Thomas) then stated r tltat in accordance with the resolution of the c Society at the last meeting, a meeting of dele- f gates was held at the Raven Hotel, Shrews- « bury, on the 16th Feb. There were present 1 Mr J. M. Griffiths, Penally Court; Mr J. W. J Reynoldsr Barry Island; Mr J. W. Harries, < Pilroath, as representatives of Souith Wales, 1 and Professor Winter, Banger College; and < Mr G, Bovill, for the North Wales Society i and he (Mr James Thomas) was there in the capacity of secretary. The fallowing 'was the report, of the Con- ference —"Professor Winter said that very many people in North Wales were of the opin- ion. that' Black cattle breeders were practically wasting their timei at present by having; two Herd Booksi representing the Black cattlle. Their reason for thinking was that by the two Societies amalgamating into one National Society, that Society, then formed into a powerful, one, and having the support of all Black cattle, Wales could then do plendid work in fostering the breed, and generally improving the outlook for their trade. Although there were, different types, he thought there was no real difference, and this I should not be usedi as a, reason against amal- gamation. He mentironed the case of the j Shorthorns, and said there were different types, such as the Scotch and the old Bates, yet they were united in one prosperous Society for Great Britain,, Ireland, and the Colonies. They in North WaJes had been struggling on for years, and probaMy they in South Wales had only been doing the same. He was very pleased to hear there a revival of late in South Wales, and from all appearances there was a boom for their cattle coming, and therefore he thought that by amalgamating they would be able to reap all the advantages! that- were to bei obtained by that boom. Another reason for amalgamating Was that at present the Welsh cattle were the only ones whose pedigrees were not inserted in the catalogue of the Royal Show, and this Was because! of their two sectional! Herd Books Their cattle were thus ait a disadvantage. A Kerry or a Galloway crossed with a WelsFi 'beast-could well obtain an entry in the Welsh classes, and th-i-si was only allowable only on account of thier non-registration. He thought the case of the Leicester sheep wais »maJJogoais to the Welsh cattle at the present. -A. few years ago tfohere was two flock books for thc^e slteep. and in consequence the breed did not make the strides it was entitled to. They had, however, now anna-lgamated their books and. sooieties. and', tilio Leicester shoop were getting; on splendidly. The two Societ- ies, as IQJ;L present formed, could not command the foreign trade-tdieir only trade- practicality was oo-nfined; to the butcher, but it was not he but the exporter, who was prepared to pay the WolT P1T!f\ Then exP°rter would not buy XSf?1 0alL e 0 a la'rge extent at present, because there were very many countries into which non-registered1 cattle, such as theirs, could not be exported. This was agaiast them and. therefore, the North Waiiians thought they should amia-lgarimte, and tfoius bring al better time fbr thaii- trade. If the foreign trade could! be captured, the- WiQUild be getting prices for them- animals far in advance of„the £ 20 or £ 30 as at present. Welsh cattle he was told, were more suited to South Africa than any breed, and then there was Argen- Wj was urged by some that the South would have to mix, but this £ 1 ne^s?ary if breeders did not I 7 would it not be ai good thing for i^L amongst themselves; the North Smith f S'puth for a good animal, and the to t]}« North. They would be thus fSK™ !g Wei markot' but it was the nd^Pii7 ia^e bh?y wanted. With one recog- coulrl • Society, how many more buyers y in^uce around their sale rings? y many Jle, thought, and with more buyers would be, better prices. The North Welsh people desired this, and to bring it about they would be prepared to grant mott. things to South Wales; in fact one of their members, Mr Greaves, said they Mould prepared to make' important concessions, Jftofessor Winter thought that if they had one National Society, they would be in a, oetterposition to get their land owners- to ■n-ort them, and he said, that the membe-r- s'hå,p in North Wales could easily be. trebled, The North- did not wisih. to have any undue share in the appointment of officers and, in fact, he thought would be prepared to accept a secretary from tlje South. They were now ^wUt, £ f°:but t-lris was awmiiited prizes to^fh^P th^ had been S they had W and ot:her shows—in fact Tl^v wolld 1 y"lg t0 adyert^e the breed. Societ^ Si, ^WeVT'°T^ the South Wales be dealf ^+1 t ieir deficit would deaJt with and the debt paid off by them- Ives, and the South Wales' Society could re- tain- their balance and do with it as they thought fit. Another point which a. United society could attend to, an'd''that- wa-s the p-ro- »ng Of a list of judges to the various shows. tirJ81 Iri tiane to a unifoimity of ^ype. Mr Greaves wrote- to Professor Winter Jery«^ to ^lea'r that the meeting has nott W poBbp^d, ianil veiyS^t £ on account of illness I am prevail Wttg present. One strong arg, dose our Book, the South Wales J++i ^I'l not be eligible for our Book and Poi-tant do I consider the question of anS~ Sa^nation, that I.wouH be%S?ed^ ^atJ; great, conopions to the South Wales people and mi a short time everything would aatwallv right itself. North WalS a r the- South to suggest, asecretarv ut the members must do missionary wark j.*?* a time they woy'ld1 'have inspectors, but wouia oe unnecessary an time. The louowmg are suggested rules 1. The Societv 2 rm,^ called'the Welsh Black Cattle Society. iMmJk ?™cers consist of a president, a memiWta v*oe~Presie|dnts, a comiraittee of 25 aseoretary. 3. That the: annual £ i ft,w ^i°r me™.be>rs be 6s. for occupiers, pay for eaeh^it!?,i° 4- Members shall 2s. 6d.. N«Xie £ jered 111 the Herd Book Socdeities to amalgamation 5' The^ t,wo oia-1 basis. Any balance an £ f m,e ^ith as the old Society choose Th general meeting sha.ll be- held' alternatii"nu? ^orth Wales and. South Wales, at the tdme Jrf agricultural shows. That the Herd Book left open for entries of inspected cattle u^til tthe- dosing of the first volume. The two ^alll committees to be appointed for the pur- ^specting cattle in South Wales and Wa/les respectively." thio Secretaay also read a letter from Ci ?rrfnT to *¥ North Wales Societv GllSlf f0110^111^ lrom ^r J. Worthington, th^ ?6ar Sir ~Tl? c<>«»mon, no doubt your agricultural readere, I am (ttad to see the Bath and West of England 1 .Wr*: »uch good prizes at Swan- S, a"d the Society will, I feel sure, .soon a Jhe R°ya'> visit- different towns in "'av to. that 11 °"' adopted by the Jlffw.1 institution, and thus acquire equal I fulfil as useful a position as the society. WeMi people are, however, particularly pleased to note that the Society is offering prizes for both South and North Wales Black Cattle, as these are two quite distinct breeds, and to my mindi there can be no question or doubt that the South Castle'- martins are the oldest, purest, and original breed, and that the North cattle are the re- sult of a cross. Personally,I should regret very much to have any of the North blood in- troduced to my herdJ- or to see the two herd books amalgamated as has been sugges- ted. I do not think any intelligent observer can have failed to see how the Castlemartins have improved during the last twenty years, while not the least important feature in the matter is the reputation which these, cattle have recently acquired with the result that they are being now much sought after both at home and abroad, while they are also eminently suitable for cold climates, as they require-, no shelter in the winter-theii, coats being so thick and warm. All my best cows have no shelter, and do better out than in, and for early Maturity and quality are equal to the Shorthorns and Herefords, and the butchers prefer them. Of course I. do no'b starve my cattle. Yours very truly, JOHN WORTHINGTON. Glynymel, Fisiiguard, Feb. 29, 1904. Since then he (the Hon. Secretary) had received the following letter from Mr R. M. Greaves, We-rn, Portmado:c: -"Deialr Sir,—I saw Professor Winter- and Mr Bovill, ait outr meerbing yesterday, and was glad to hear from them that you had had a pleasant and satis- factory meeting. It was a grievous dis- appointment to me not to be able to be pre- sent to meet! you. I trust that your Society will see the aad^fuatages of amalgamation with ours, so that all the Blaok Welsih Cattle may eb in one Herd Book. The advantages to be ganed by all concerned appeair to mfc to be so ob-vrioust that- I cannot but think that your Society is sure to see them. A short time ago my bailiff was at a ttale in South Wales. and he tells me that several heifers he would nave liked to have bought, but, of course, loud not do so, as they weere not, eligible or our Herd Book. I think that. now our efforts in bringing the good' points of the Welfeh treed prominently before the publict having gained sofl^ mea«uras- of suocessi, it is most lesiraMe that we Should have the breed on as iro,ad a base as possible, so that we may more jasily be able t obtain fresh Mood While keep- .ng the breed pure. I have heard of several foreign buyers who have been anxious to buy pedigree Welsh cattle, but on attempting to do so have: been met by the fact that there are two Herd Books, which for all practical | purposes is the same hasi having no Herd Book ait all. I am glad to say there is a, distinctly increasing interest being taken in the cattle, i at this end of the' country, and we elected a number of new members at our meeting yesterday, and I think if all breeders of Welsh cattle were combined in one Society, we | should be much stronger and able to make our voices heard much better. You wiN forgive my repeating these points, which, no doubt, our delegates put, with others, fully before you. The zelo from Cardiff, about which I wrote to you, is still lying idle, and I think that in the event of an amlaganuition, I coulid not put it to a more worthy object than assist- mg to defray any preliminary expenses that may be incurred in combining the two books. I sihiall be at the council meeting of the R.A.S.E., on Mondlay and Tuesday next, and my addiressi will be (Tuesday and Wednesday) 26, Buckingham Gaite, S.W. I am, dear Sir, yours truly, R. M. GREAVES. The Chairman said he was sorry the North Wales members who proposed to meet them at Shrewsbury, did not, turn up, but in place they sent men who were certainly interested in Black cattle, but the best of them hadn't seen a black beast 12 years ago, and did not know much about them (laughter) —at least to have any conversation with them who had been breeding, and whose forefathers had tiaiken delight in breeding black cattle. He really expected such men as Col. Piatt, Mr Greaves, and Lord Harlech to came and diis- cuss the, question. He pointed out to them very plainly what he thought with regard to blacik cattle. He could see very plainly there was no necessity of their crossing. To his view the North Wales black beast such as they had seen at the shows lately was only a sort of lighthouse to guide- them from the rook. There was danger in them. He had brought somw likenesses of the blacis cattle bred: in the first volume- of the North Wales herd book, and they were, very different cattle to what they had seen at the- Royal and other shows. Mr J. W. Hariii-es said he was sorry that Mr Griffiths was still of the opinion that it was not worth while to amalgamate. In his opinion, the North Wales- friends met them with a good heart- (hear, hear), and were ready to make- concessions to meet them in every point to get these two societies to amalgamate into one. They were, andi so was. he, o& the opinion that they wouM derive much benefit by doing so. As Professor Winter said the Welsh cattle, either North or South, could be crossed with the Kerry, or Galloway, or any other black breed and1 still be called Welsh cattle, and they would be accepted as unre- gistored cattle -at the Ro-yaili, which was a, dis- grace in a way. They were in a position, he thought, to get their cattle registered, as the; pure- Welsh breed; they were not bound to cross them with any other strain. They had heard from Mr Worthington's letter that he was much opposed to crossing; well, let every body who desired to keep his own breed select do so. That was a matter of opinion, but Jet them ha-ve one society (hear, hear). That he believed would help them to selil their cattle. It would be the means of advertising their cattle to the Argentine and South Africa; and if they could persuade the foreigner to come and be buyers, they were the boys to give them high prices (hear, hear, and laugh- ter). The North Wales friends said they would most likeliy come to their sales and purchase their cattle, and the more the buyers the higher the prieesi would go. They wanted money as a rule, a-ndl ecpecially for their breed, and he did not. think anybody would reap benefit by keeping aloof. With regard to the obstacles they hiad! heard against amal- gamating, they had heardl the, North Wales people were willing to come more than half- way they were willing for them to name, a Secretary for South Wales, which was an im- portant question. Mr Thomas told him should that be d'ane that he would not be willing to carry on. as it would be too much work. He did not know whether he was of the, same opinion now ("No, no."), but the, matter could be settled lateir on. With regard! to the meetings, the North Wales people suggested' they should be held alternately, at the time of the United: Counties Show in South Wales, and at the Aberystwith or some, other show in North Wales'. As to, finances, they were willing to meet, them with a, clean slate. He asked them if they would guarantee half the- expense of the, Seoretairy and printing, and they sa-idl "Yes." Mr Thomas said "Leave it to their honour," but he wanted everything to be above board (hear, hear and "This is a matter of business."). They were ready to meet them in every point, and they considered they could treble their members by doing a little canvassing, or missionary work. They in South Wales could do the same thing if they went at it thoroughly and had an active secretary to lead them. He proposed that they do amalgamate-, as he believed it would be to their benefit (hear, hear). The Chairman observed that the iudeine was the difficulty. When they met the North Wales cattle in Carmarthen it was always, a difficulty to get judges, and he thought, the, yUvr would be more difficult than ever. Mr D H. Thomas, Starling Park said he was much in favour of Mr Harries' proposi- t-ion as he thought it would be- a great benefit to the whole breed if they amialgamited1 with the North. He said so at the last meeting and1 gave his reasons. He thought one of the strongest reasons was that the foreigner and thait, was the trade they wanted to get hold of —would not buy cattle unless they were full pedigree cattle, and entered in a recognised herd book. The future of the breed: of WeJsih cattle depended entirely upon whether y oould get hold of the foreign market- or animey a!««. & IhS^nST with the quantity of beat brought W forelSn countries inta th.s wintry, there was no mgl ture at all of the Welsh. Breed. He thought if the feedng qualities and the- beef qualities of these cattle were put properly before the foreigner it would be the means of their coming and buying a lot of cattle, out of thisi country. The foreigner did1 not, mind what he paid for an article so long as he got. the right article. If they got the foreigner that would give, a, to 1V heme- market. If the foreigners t.u nii big prices, everybody would want to have a go, and would giyo them big prices. Uuless they had a pro-
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Liaudilo County Court. The Llainidffllo County Court was heM on Thursdlay, the 3rdi March, before His Honour Judge Bishop. WRONGFUL DISTRAINT. This was a. case in which James Weeks, a. collier, living at 6, Sunny Terrace, Hopkins- town, Bettws, claimed from, George Moggach, draper, Coleshilli Terrace. Llaneily certain goods which be alleged had been wrongly seized.—Mr T G Wiiiliair.s, solicitor, appeared for the plaintiff. It appeared according to Mr Williams s statement that judgment for t3 16s had been obtained against, Mrs Weeks in the Llaneily County Court. She was then a widow with five or six chiMren to maintain, and she was getting parish relief. She had to sell nearly all her late husband- effects. When the, order was made, His Honour had sa.id, "You take the judgment at your own risk you get judgment against her separate estate." The goods seized on bc-iialf of Mr Moggach were nearly all the property of her present husband, or of her brother, George Mullard, for whom the husband acted bailee. Mr J. W. Bishop appeared for defendant. Mrs Mary Weeks said I am the wife of James Weeks. I married my present husband in the autumn of 1902. When I had the goods sued for, I was the wife of Evan Evans. He died in April, 1901. I had the goods from Mr Moggach five years ago. I was on the parish after the death of my first husband. I sold mast of his furniture. The, chest of drawers seized belongs to George Mullard, my brother an law. The sofa. seized belongs to Mullard; afethe six chairs seized four be- long to Mullara, and two to my present hus- band. Cross-examined by Mr J. W. Bishop, the defendant said that at Llaneily County Co-urt she was ordered to produce receipts showing --1-L .11_ 1_]\ ..J, -L.1.J. w iiU'L- WW iiaiui Lmlye III ftat uei tttdJi iiiUvUt\y diic had received on account of her deceased hus- band. She came, before, his Honour with the receipts. Did you satisfy the- Judge, what had been done with this 930.-Yes. I showed the bills that had been paid with it. It was money I received from the club. The Judge made an order for me to -ay 2s. a month. The Judge found for the claimant. James Weeks. A SUNDAY AT GWYNFE. ThiÍJS was the adjourned' case in which Wa. Davild Jones, collier, Earlsfield, Glanamman claimed damages from Roger Williams and Edward Williams, of Cliuincooh, Glanammaii, for assault.—Mr T. G. Williams was for the plaintiff, and Mr J. W. Bishop for the defence It will be rememibered that it was stated at the first, bearing that the partiies had gone to see a lady at Gwynfe to get some medicine for the brother of one wIkj wais ill. William Price said: I saw the plaintiff too next day, the 16th November, with a black p-alt-eh over his eye. I spoke to Roger Williams in the presence, of Edward1 Williams. Plaintiff was also present. I asked what w the matter with David Jones. Roger said that "I have been fighting with some far- mei-s." Plaintiff adked :me the same day to come up to the Mason's Arms. went with me. He said that he wanted mm to come because- he had lost some money on the floor. We found 3s 6d. The Judge This is like searching for hidden treasure. Witness- continuing said that he had seen some bloodsta,ins in the porch. They all went, to the Griffin. The Judge: To liquor up the: 3s 6d ou had found. l Witness: said that thev had only a quart. Jones, the plaintiff, Iooked very bad. T'liie Judge: He had been drunk the day before. Mr T. G. Williams said th&t hie had not been, drinking. The Judge: I thought. that people. who fight like this would be drunk. David Joraeis. Eairlsfield, Glanamnxan., t.he father of the plaintiff, said that on the 17th he went to the defendant's hou=e, and said "You hare done very bad- with my son Daivid William." He siaid nothing. His mother said "I am afraid of my life with Roger." The Judge satid that hie, did not see how this oou',I,d possibly affect the question of t'he assault. Mr Williams said that it showed that defen- danrt did not- deny the assault. The Judge said that the fact of a person, not denying a charge was not evidence. Mr Willi-atms raid that it depended on the eircuimstainces of the case. David William, Joraes, the plaintiff, re- ealled said that before he was assaulted on til vis Sunday, he had only had two pints wi beor to dtrink. He was still suffering from the effects of the assault Roger Wiliaims, Ownlemil, Glanamiman, said thait on Sunday morning, William Jones and his brother-in-law, Dd. Davies called, and asked for him when lie- was in bed. They asiked, him to conDe- out a walk with them. H. then bad breaikfaist. This was between 8 and 9 p.m. They went to a field between the! two houses. They asked him. to go to Gwynfe for a walk. Defendant refused as he had to work next morning. Defendant, then came home anid had dinner, and about. 2 p.m. he met plaiintiff on the- mountain. They went to Gwynfe iand at 5 p.m. went into the Masona Arms. The son of tine- -house came in; and they asked each for a pint of" beer. Having satisfied the son. where they came froin4 they bad each three pintc, of beer., and, some bread and oheese. It. was about .:1, quarter to eight when they came out. Edward and David were going the wrorag road to Pontarileclii. He called them back, but they said they wk-m going. He salid "You are no butties at a-Ik You are no friends with me, taking me to Gwynfe, and- mot coming back with me five miyies over the mountain in the dark." The other two came- back, asfeed him whom he talking to, and his brother Edward struck hiim in tih/e face. He fell, and David Jones came on and kicked him. Defendant then shoved them badk. After some taJk, they went back to the Griffin to ask fort lodgings. They all went in ajtd sleflt together on t-he settle. Thte, Judge: On top of one another on the settle. Witness: We -had a settle each. Next morning we co-uld not get breakfast at the Ixnffin. We had some beer, and went up to the New Inn to have breakfast. The advocates were still proceeding when His Honour slaid that it seemed to him that he could, put onedlence or belief in the story of the plaintiff. It was a. most extraordinary story to start with, supplemented by one -retty nearly as extraordinairy by the defendamt. l.hese two brothers and! a cousin alii travelled to Gwynfe according to their statements, to get physic. The physic probably was beer. Then they had a, squabble, and if the stories of one of the parties were true, he was fimb aissaiuilted by has brother. They all told tine most extraordinary stories. After the fight they atppeared to have gone together to find the money which- one of the drunken men bad Probably they were all so drunk that they did not remember very well what had takem pllaioe. He dismisised the case. Each pmrty wouM have to pay his own costs. One was1 as bad- as the other. ABOUT A BICYCLE. Lewis Thomas, of Leicester Howe. Ltandilo ■ sued Morgan Richards, New road, Lkndilo the return of a bicycle-.— Mr T. G. Williams appeared for plaintiff. It appeared that the defendant had borrowed tlie biicycle for a run from the plaintiff. It had been damaged in use. and had not been returned-. It a, Rudge Whitworth. The plhintiff bad' written to a Binning! mm firm, wlno offered_ to backstep it, and re-enamel it for 14s—and! the plaintiff to pay the carriage Theiei had been a. dispute between the parties nis; to- -tilie amount to be paid for damage and the bicycle was stit]: unireturned. The Judge satid: tiiit. the. bicycle would- have to be returned, repaired, or Vis* the defen- dant would have to pay £ 4 to the plaintiff. Tlie ease was adjourned for two months for a Settlement. accordingly. A CLAIM FOR TITHES. The Rev Robert WilUitats, vicar of Llandilo "laiiTKed 6d tithes from. Mrs Edwards, Old Plough, Rhosmaen. Liaudilo.—Mr T. G. Williams, appeared for plaintiff: and Mr W. Howell, Llaneily was for the defendant. Mr Williams, in liis opening speech, snid that the tithe was eh. imed in respect of a portion of a, field anid some liouses. The tie- mainder of the field boilonged to Mr Jonf* OilyrycJien. Mr Lewis Bishop, tlx- Registrar of tine Couirt, was sworn-, ano siaid: I am the agent for the Rev Robert Willi runs" and collect his tifbhes. I produce the apportionment of thia tithes of the parish. Mr Howell sa.id (jjiat hie i'id not know ti nt the a*ii>o.rtionme!>t wais admissible a= evidence it; 0 tee It did not ctomue from thf proper person who had the right to its- custody. The Judge Who ia the- woper person tC1 hlare øu. of ¡tf
South Wales Black Cattle Society.
per recognised herd book, he did not think they would ever get the foreigner to come I here and buy. If they had one, the foreigner would undouibtedly come, and it seemed a pity, with this breed of cattle, recognised by all the English butchers, especially in the Midlands, as. one of the. best beef producing cattle in the world, that the two so-caties should not be amalgamated, and worked into one strong and flourishing society (hear, hear). He did not think there would be any difficulty whatever in getting members to join, as there was a great deal more interest taken in the breed than twelve years ago, when, he first had to do with the United Counties Show. He thought it. would be very much to the inte- rests of the breed if the proposed amalgama- tion were, carried out. The Chairman said he quite agreed they would be in a. better position to send cattle abroad; by amalgamation (hear, heair)- But they discussed tnis question before the, arri- val of Mr Reynolds of the difficulty they found! was that there was no pamphlet to re- commend their cattle to go abroad. There were some old pamphlets, out of date, but they wanted someitliing fresh before they could advertise the cattle to, go into foreign places,. Mr J. Wilili,ams, Love Lodge, endorsedl the remarks of the previous speakers in favour of amalgamatii on. Mr T. Rees, Glanynafonddu, agreed with all that Mr Harries and Mr Thomas had said regarding amalgamation. Hel did, not thiak they leg to stand on as a Society against the North. He considered that South Wales ha dlost ground- for the last 30 years in this county and Pembroke. The North were- coming down from Aberystwith to, Lampeter a.nd that direction, or they were changing to sfltorthotrns. Very few of the Castlemartins wate to be found in the district, and his diis- trict was going, in for the North breed very fast. Cattle- dealers had told, him that- the English dealers were going in for the North bullocks in Northampton and other and fairs, and the South were idle until the North Walians had sold out. They would raltlher have the jouth heifers, and lie thought by amalgamation and the crossing of the breeds, nothing oould beat them. When they exhibited North and South Wales cattle toge- there, 'as at the last Cardiff show, they were beaten on their own ground. ("Who were the judges."). He thought they would be wise if they went- in for one herd book, and he seconded the resolution that they should amalgamate. Mr J. Scouirfield, Blaertwerndd-u, said he: was not quite, of the same opinion as Mr Rees. He did not think they had come that day to compare the two breeds, or .if that was the case, he should! vote for the South Wales (hear, hear). He thought they should not compete North against South, but to see if it was of any use for them to try to pull together to strengthen their position in the markets. He quite agreed; that in some districts they preferred the Nortli Wales, cattle, but there Wiore <*her districts- that preferred the South. Mr Walter Evans, Mr John Evans, and Mr Morse could sell a, dozen South Walians for every ont, of the North. But he (Mir Scour- field) believed- here, wtis something in this scheme that would benefit them taking it as a whole. He had been sitting on the fence, and did not know what to say sometime ago,' because- he w-ais afraid to make too much of a jump before they knew were they would land, but after hearing the excellent account of the meeting he thought there were fsome strong points in favour of amalgamation. They couild not get on unless they had money, and they were more in need of money than because trade was bad in many cases, and if they could strenstnen- their position with the Black cattle. the should be very glad indeed. If they amalgamated the prejudice against the North would' die out. Now, when they went to the Bath and West and! Royal shows and saw North Wales and South Wales bulls' naturally enough they ^vid the South was the best, and the North Wales men said the same of theirs. If they were going to hold, their own in, the markets, especially the foreign, they must have one herd-book, and try to do their best for the breed, and not prejudice themselves, because there might be a good bull to be got from North Wales. They had seen some very poor cattle win some good prizes in South Wales before this, and they had seen some very poor cattle- win at- the Royal, which if shown, at Carmarthen would take a back seat. That shewed they had not got the courage to send their good cattle up to compete with them. There were some men in Souith Wales, with backbone and grit enough to send black cattle up to London, but not man- of them, for the very reason they .were backward. He was rry to say the royal show was going down, and the Bath: and West was going up because it was movable. If they wanted to have a good market for their cattle, there was no doubt they must amal- gamate. They were not. bound to cross the breed, and miany and many of them would not dlo so for a long time. Their book would be one, a.nd it would give them a chance to go North and see what they could get. If the North men came down here he was certain they would buy, because they wanted some of the South Wales quality. Their cattle in the, South- had: rather gone too long-horned these days, while the. Nortih were very short. (The Chairman Too short). Perhaps so, and a mixture of the two might do them good. The body looked small if they had too long horns. He hoped they would all pull in the same boat and try to do the best for their mutual benefit. Mr J. W. Owen, Ha-fod, was very much in favour of amalgamation, and: was very glad to hear Mr Scourfield was of the same opinion, as he was, one of the strongest Oaatlemartin Men. itic agreed they wea-e not bound to cross; the- binder would put the two books together, but the breed! would be quite dis- tinct. He was sure- they had no ground to stand: on, as if they looked over their herd book, in vol. 3 they would! find as many as 18 North Wales- cattle entered. They would be losing nothing by amalgamating and there was a possibility of gaining a, lot. They would get the- foreign market, altthought they might not buy the North Wales- breed, the North Wales breeders would buy their bulls. He hoped tue proporsiitioni would he, curried, unani- mously. Mr J. W. Evans Robeston, said beforel he came to the meeting he was very stronglv against amalgamating for one reason he was, very much -afraid if they did amalgamate the farmers of the South would lose interest in the society altogether. That fear had been removed1, because Mr Harries had explained that the North were willing to have a. South Wales secretary. He had, a letter from a gentleman in Glamorganshire, who was coming down in the, autumn to buy, and wanted to join the, South Wales society, and there were five other gentlemen in Pembrokeshire who were "-en-ared! to join the South Wales societv and these six would mean 66 entries. With regard to what Mr SoourfieM sad of the Norfrfh being better feeders- than theirs, while- theirs had the. quality, he did not think the two things could! bo separated. They were Ivound I to go together, althomgji he; admitted the I hair and! hmw were qiitoy troto. f Dr Rowland ThQUl3<S, said he gave in to no 1 ane- for his admiration of the type of South < Wales cattle, b-ult they had a duty to perform to themselves in getting a herd book which i would be a dictionary with an index, of the 1 names and, pedigree of beasts. Because they had one common herd book it, did not bind them to a certain type any more titan the short horn herd book did.. They knew when tlicy went to a large English show there was as much difference in tyne of the different clases of Shorthorns-, as, there was between a Kerry and Dexter, and the South Wales black. He knew Mr Worthington felt strongly onotlliis subject, and he was exceedingly sorry he was not there because he had taken such an interest in the matter. He took it his chief objection was the question of crossing; and he would not cross his cattle- with the North Wales. But ooborlly was bound to cross unless lie wished it; they were free agents in the matter. He had looked over the North Wales book, and if those photos were really what was going to be, tne- t-vr-e of the black cattle in the future, he washed his hands of it at once. They were, not black cattle- in the least. But if they were to be successful they were bound to have a. common herd1 bookjjts all the other Sooietys had. Unless they -ad they got no encourage- ment from those big societies and also they lost, the sale of their cattle to the foreigners who wished to get them. He joined issue with Mr Rees on the- selling of Black cattle in England. If they were goin downhill, it was because they had not got a herdbook, and amalgamation would remove the defect. He was talking to three; of the largest fanners in the Midlands onl a, few weeks ago. Thev came to meet Mr John Morse, and they told him eacn of the three bought as many as 150 to 200 cattle every vear for feeding purposes, and not for the test ten years had either of them bought anything but black's because they made better prices (hear, hear). He thought that if they ventilated- their views and tried to pull together, let their etty jealousy sink ne,ver too rise again,; Mr Worth- ington and others who were against amalga- mation, would like thorough sportsmen join hand and glove with them. He (the. speaker) originally was dead against North Wales, simply hecartise he Lid not like their type, but when lie came to look into the condition of things, he thought they would be fools to themselves and their pockets unless they had a herd book which would recommend their cattle to the world. Mr David Lloyd, Glyn-y-mel, said the only objection Mr Worthington had was that he paid 35g;s. for a heifer from Col. Platt, and the restore' was they had a red calf (laughter). Dr Thomas: Don't buy with Col. Plntf again then. The Chairman said when some of the North Wales breeders came down, he, pointed out to them a heifer mat iliiad. been, bred, by one of the best breeders of Castlemartins, where they had never hadianyitd-ving but black bulls for V e last fifty years, and this heifer wn. a kind of mousey colour • it was descended from a'North Wales bull. He called the attenti-in a. lsortih Wales bull. He called the attention of the ownersi to it. and he replied, "Oh, we have more of the sarnie colour got by the same bull." These things would happen, but as he (the Chairman) said at the begin- ning they could, guard agianst them. Mr E. Hughes, Aberelwyn, said the amal- gamation would be all to the advantage of the North Walians and not to themselves. For himself, he did not want tiheir best cattle to go away for some years to come, because he wanted to improve them. He and others had tried the North WaJes cattle, and had Hot been successful. He wias strongly against aimialgfaimaition ,and -aigreed with Mr Worthing- ton. Mr J. W. Harries: It is not a question of crossing, but of amalgamating. I The Chairman: I agree, but these are reasons for joining and reasons against. Mr J. M. Evans. Bletherstone, said he came there prepared to vote against the proposal. but lie had modified his views srnce. he had oome into the room. Still he had not. been thoroughly convinced t-bey were going to bene- fit by amalgamation. He thought is was more, to the advantage of the North than to In feet they were willing to meet them on every point, and! that was weakness- rather than ..strength to them. Mr D. Mom-is, Wernbrerne, stated the was against amalgamating before that day, but taking the matter in the right view lie did not see they were going to lose anything by it. Talking about foreign prices, they had a- lot to do art, home before they sent their cattle out; there was too much mixture in the South Wales already. They should not sell their best bulls forÀt. while, but should keep them at home. He did, not believe in mixing the breed1 and^shmild not mix hitmself for many years. The Castlemiartdn was a. far superior milker to the North Wales, and they must look after them. On their land down here nothing paid better than a dairy cow. He was, however, in favour of amalgamation. Mr J. W. Evans What is the deficit, of the North Wales society at present? The Hon. Setc. said it, was a, small sum, but i-t would not affect the question here. T'h&< Chairman: It ii as weilil to know if we do iMllalglamatø, we amalgamate- with a clean slate. We- begin anew altogether. Mr M. R. Harries, Ll-anrytban, said when he first heard about amalgamation lie was dead against it, and was when he tame there. Very strong arguments had been urged in favour of it, and he was really in a, fix now (laughter). He very much preferred1 the South Wales cattle to t,he North—("We all do.)—but as had been said, they were not bound to cross C if they did join. Still, he had been looking at one oint, and. that was they had only just re-started their herd book, and as they were yet only in tneir infancy he thought they oould afford to wait a bit yet (hear, hear) to see if they could not walk by themselves. He thought it must be to the benefit of the North or else they would not be pusluiig this thing so very hard (hear, hear). Mr W. Reynolds, Trehowell, observed that one point miade was with regard to their not being able to enter oattle of the South Wales breed in the North Wales Herd Book, but he should think if they put a clause in their rules, stating that any animal entered in the Soutu Wales Herd Book was eligible for the North Wales Herd Book, it would do away with the difficulty, and they could return the compliment. Although strong arguments had been used there that day he was not con- vinced fit would be to their advantage to join North'Wales. j Mr -j-oyd, Davies, Derimoilon, was quite in favour of one herd book, stating he had seen good results from crossing. Mr R. Davies, Danygraig, was strongly against amalgamation. The Chairman said lie knew many were not in favour of amalgamation, and they had some gentlemen not present that day, so he doubted whether it would be right- to take a, vote. He was very much afraid if they did amalgamate they would have a good many names with- drawn from their Herd Book. Col. Leach, their chairman hitherto, was not present, ash he was very much against amalgamation. _J}r R. L. Thomas slaid the meeting had been "d tar a ciftCl purpose. If gentlemen amy unable to be present and were ag una 1 gamation they should, have written to say JO. Mr Worthington Juad done so, and given bhem his reasons. He did not think anyone would be so unsportsmanlike as to withdraw. Mr J. W. Harries said there were also ab- sent gentlemen who favoured amalgamation, Mr J. C. Yorke, for instance. The Chairman said the chief difficult- was in the holding of committee and other meet- ings. They did not go to Shrewsbury with- out putting their hands in their pockets he could tell them. They would have to go to a good many meetings of that kind. The North Wales breeders were landowners, who could afford to come to the South, but they, as tenant farmers, couldn't very well go up Nocth. Again tthere was the difficulty as to judges. If they were going to show against the North Wales people, how were they going to select the judges? Mr D. H. Thomas, Starling Park, thought if they had one Herd Book the difficulty of judges was put on one side altogether; for the Council of the Herd Book Society would be in a position to write to the Royal and other shows and name two judges. For in- stance, if t-herjp were still North and South cattle, a North Walian could judge the Royal this year, and a South Walian be sent up the following year. It would be in the hands of the Society entirety* and the had not the slightest doubt the Royal and Bath and West would listen to what the Herd Book Society would say. Mr Hughes, Aberelwyn, said the greatest d,ifficultv he had now as to exhibiting at the United: Counties was because they could not get a iNorth Wales judge to be of the same opinion. Mr D. H. Thomas was glad to say the Uni- ted Counties- Society had this year taken the opinion of the Black cattle breeders on the Council, and .had appointed two South Wales judges. The Council hitherto had not looked at the question in the same way as the Black cattle breeders, but did so this year, and he had no doubt would do so again. If there were one herd book lie "had no doubt any re- commendation as to judges sent to the Coun- cil of the United Counties Agricultural Society would be very carefully considered. Mr J. Scourfield was net in favour of post- poning the matter unless they were equally 4ivided. He thought by the tone of the meet- ing the great majority were in favour of it. They could not expect to get a unanimous vote at the start, but it, would' be a pity to tlii-ow cold water on the movement. The minority ought to fall in with the majority. Mr J. W. Harries said the North Wales people were anxious for them to settle the question and appoint delegates to meet them at tlhe Bath and West Show in May. There- fore they had no time to lose. Mr S. Thomas, Bwlcibgwynt, said his views had been greatly modified since he came to the meeting, but he could not- fall in with the proposal yet. He did not see how they could avoid crossing in years to come, if they joined in one Herd Book. Some would cross, and then they must have fresh blood, and lie was afraid a cross would come in. The Chairman observed that there was only one proposition before the meeting, that was to amalgamate. Mr J. Howells, Cefncodi, Mydrim moved, and Mr Reynolds. Trehowell, seconded, that they do not amalgamate. On a vote being taken, there were 14 in favour of the motion, and 11 against, as follows:—For amalgamation: Dr Thomas, Messrs J. W. Harries. D. H. Thomas, J. W. Owen, Richard Jones; T. Rees, D. Morris, J. Howells. J. Owen, J. Owen, J. Scourfield, J. Wililams, Lloyd Davies. and J. Thomas. J Against: Messrs W. Reynolds, J. Williams, J. M. Griffiths, David Lloyd, M. R. Harries, W. E. Evans, Theo. Howell, Howell Davies, S. Thomas, E. Rugh and J. M. EVans. Dr Thomas then said that as they were not nearly unanimous lie would propose that the matter be deferred for a year. Mr J. M. Evans seconded. Mr D. H. Thomas said in view of the Bath and West Show being held: at Swansea this year, and the opportunity thev would have of going into the matter there, he would move as an amendment that a general meeting of the members be cajled to decide the question. The Hon. Secretary pointed out that this was a generel meeting. Mr J. Seoul-field observed that there were people in the. room who came prejudiced against amalgamation, but they had already met them half way, and at the next meeting they would probably be. with them. Mr Owen, Hafod, thought if they left the matter it mictht entirely die out. They might aa,-iv-ell finish tliiat dlay. Mr J. W. Harries considered it was out of order to go against what they had passed' Mr J. M. Evans: Before breaking up a Society is t, not necessary to have a two- tlhirds majority of the members? The Hon. Secretary said there was no rule to that effect. The only question of a two- thirds majority was that no rule should: be altered exeetxt at the general annual meeting by a- two-thirds majority. Mr J. M. Evans thought this was a matter affecting the coifatitution of the Society. In answer to Air J. Scourfield, the Hon. Secretary saild the annual meeting was in May. Mr J. Scourfield suggested that they should postpone the matter until May ,as he thought according to the rule they could not do any- thing else. Mr T. Rees—Can you expect a better attend ance than to-&,iy P Mr oJ. Scourfield—Yes we have had, when pou were not here, (laughter). There was nothing to be gained by hurrying the matter. and they could lose nothing by waiting to the general meeting. He wanted to get them all of one and not be divided—(Mr Rees.: Never).—otherwise there would be a s h. They had done very well by getting a majority that dny. He was sure the miniority would see their way to come with them if they waited until May ("They may" and Tauglhter). Dr Thomas, seconded this nronosition. after the Chairman had stated, if they had the annual meeting earlier in May they could meet the North Wales people at Swansea to settLe the question. The motion was cairred by 13 votes to 9,. and the matter accordingly stands adjourned until May. Some discussion ensued on the question of the proposed National Show at Aberystwith, and eventually a resolution was unanimously passed, "That whilst approving of a national s'how for Wales, this Society is unwilling to recognise Abreystwith as n place for a National Show, and it is of the opinion this Society amongst others should have been con- sulted in the matter before anything was settled."