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South Wales Black Cattle Society. PROPOSED AMALGAMATION WITH NORTH WALES. A meeitinior of the members of the South Wales Black Cattle Herd Book Society was held at the Yelverton Arms, WI-dtiand, on Friday last, when there were present. Mr J. M. Griffiths, Penally Court, in the chair Mx J. W. Harries, Pilroath; Mr T. Rees, Glan- yrafonddu MrJ. Scourfield, Blaenwernddu; Mr D. H. Thomas, Starling Park; Mr J. Owen, Hafod; Mr J. M. Evans, Blethei- stone; Mr W. Reynolds, Trebanel'l: Mr E. Hughes, Aberelwyn Mr R. Harries, Llanry- tttuan; Mr Howell Davies, Danygraig; Mr Theophilus Ho wells, Oefnoooh; Mr Samuel Thomas. Bwlc-hgwynt; Mr John Owen, Llwyn- derw; Mr J. S .Owen, Llanlliwe; Mr W. Ernest Evans, Robeston Hall; Mr J. Williams Love Lodge Mr Ivor Lloyd Davies, Deri- moilon; Mr Dd. Lloyd, Glyniwel; Mr Ben Morris, Werniberu; Mr John Howells, Waun- rhyddod Mr Richard Jones. Pantymaen; Mr J. Thomas, Forest Dr Thomas, Whitlaiid; Mr J. Williams, Cefnfairohen; and the hon. sec. Mr James- Thomas). xxr A telegram was received from Mr J. W. Reynolds-, one of the deputation to Shrews- bury, stating that lie had just missed the tnarim at Haverfordwest. Mr J. Heathoote Addy, estate agent, at Llianover, Abergavenny, wrote "I fegret owing to the County Council election I shall be unaible to attend the meeting of the South Wales Black Cattle Herd Book Society, at Whitland. on the 4th prox., but I have heard! of the proposition and am entirely in favour of the scheme. I am of the opinion that such amalgamation as proposed would be greatly to the benefit of the Welsh Rational Herd Book, and it would also bring the breed into xarucih greater prominence than already ob- tains. If voting is allowed by proxy I hope You will record my vote in favour of the pro- posed amalgamation." The Hon. Sec. (Mr J. Thomas) then stated r tltat in accordance with the resolution of the c Society at the last meeting, a meeting of dele- f gates was held at the Raven Hotel, Shrews- « bury, on the 16th Feb. There were present 1 Mr J. M. Griffiths, Penally Court; Mr J. W. J Reynoldsr Barry Island; Mr J. W. Harries, < Pilroath, as representatives of Souith Wales, 1 and Professor Winter, Banger College; and < Mr G, Bovill, for the North Wales Society i and he (Mr James Thomas) was there in the capacity of secretary. The fallowing 'was the report, of the Con- ference —"Professor Winter said that very many people in North Wales were of the opin- ion. that' Black cattle breeders were practically wasting their timei at present by having; two Herd Booksi representing the Black cattlle. Their reason for thinking was that by the two Societies amalgamating into one National Society, that Society, then formed into a powerful, one, and having the support of all Black cattle, Wales could then do plendid work in fostering the breed, and generally improving the outlook for their trade. Although there were, different types, he thought there was no real difference, and this I should not be usedi as a, reason against amal- gamation. He mentironed the case of the j Shorthorns, and said there were different types, such as the Scotch and the old Bates, yet they were united in one prosperous Society for Great Britain,, Ireland, and the Colonies. They in North WaJes had been struggling on for years, and probaMy they in South Wales had only been doing the same. He was very pleased to hear there a revival of late in South Wales, and from all appearances there was a boom for their cattle coming, and therefore he thought that by amalgamating they would be able to reap all the advantages! that- were to bei obtained by that boom. Another reason for amalgamating Was that at present the Welsh cattle were the only ones whose pedigrees were not inserted in the catalogue of the Royal Show, and this Was because! of their two sectional! Herd Books Their cattle were thus ait a disadvantage. A Kerry or a Galloway crossed with a WelsFi 'beast-could well obtain an entry in the Welsh classes, and th-i-si was only allowable only on account of thier non-registration. He thought the case of the Leicester sheep wais »maJJogoais to the Welsh cattle at the present. -A. few years ago tfohere was two flock books for thc^e slteep. and in consequence the breed did not make the strides it was entitled to. They had, however, now anna-lgamated their books and. sooieties. and', tilio Leicester shoop were getting; on splendidly. The two Societ- ies, as IQJ;L present formed, could not command the foreign trade-tdieir only trade- practicality was oo-nfined; to the butcher, but it was not he but the exporter, who was prepared to pay the WolT P1T!f\ Then exP°rter would not buy XSf?1 0alL e 0 a la'rge extent at present, because there were very many countries into which non-registered1 cattle, such as theirs, could not be exported. This was agaiast them and. therefore, the North Waiiians thought they should amia-lgarimte, and tfoius bring al better time fbr thaii- trade. If the foreign trade could! be captured, the- WiQUild be getting prices for them- animals far in advance of„the £ 20 or £ 30 as at present. Welsh cattle he was told, were more suited to South Africa than any breed, and then there was Argen- Wj was urged by some that the South would have to mix, but this £ 1 ne^s?ary if breeders did not I 7 would it not be ai good thing for i^L amongst themselves; the North Smith f S'puth for a good animal, and the to t]}« North. They would be thus fSK™ !g Wei markot' but it was the nd^Pii7 ia^e bh?y wanted. With one recog- coulrl • Society, how many more buyers y in^uce around their sale rings? y many Jle, thought, and with more buyers would be, better prices. The North Welsh people desired this, and to bring it about they would be prepared to grant mott. things to South Wales; in fact one of their members, Mr Greaves, said they Mould prepared to make' important concessions, Jftofessor Winter thought that if they had one National Society, they would be in a, oetterposition to get their land owners- to ■n-ort them, and he said, that the membe-r- s'hå,p in North Wales could easily be. trebled, The North- did not wisih. to have any undue share in the appointment of officers and, in fact, he thought would be prepared to accept a secretary from tlje South. They were now ^wUt, £ f°:but t-lris was awmiiited prizes to^fh^P th^ had been S they had W and ot:her shows—in fact Tl^v wolld 1 y"lg t0 adyert^e the breed. Societ^ Si, ^WeVT'°T^ the South Wales be dealf ^+1 t ieir deficit would deaJt with and the debt paid off by them- Ives, and the South Wales' Society could re- tain- their balance and do with it as they thought fit. Another point which a. United society could attend to, an'd''that- wa-s the p-ro- »ng Of a list of judges to the various shows. tirJ81 Iri tiane to a unifoimity of ^ype. Mr Greaves wrote- to Professor Winter Jery«^ to ^lea'r that the meeting has nott W poBbp^d, ianil veiyS^t £ on account of illness I am prevail Wttg present. One strong arg, dose our Book, the South Wales J++i ^I'l not be eligible for our Book and Poi-tant do I consider the question of anS~ Sa^nation, that I.wouH be%S?ed^ ^atJ; great, conopions to the South Wales people and mi a short time everything would aatwallv right itself. North WalS a r the- South to suggest, asecretarv ut the members must do missionary wark j.*?* a time they woy'ld1 'have inspectors, but wouia oe unnecessary an time. The louowmg are suggested rules 1. The Societv 2 rm,^ called'the Welsh Black Cattle Society. iMmJk ?™cers consist of a president, a memiWta v*oe~Presie|dnts, a comiraittee of 25 aseoretary. 3. That the: annual £ i ft,w ^i°r me™.be>rs be 6s. for occupiers, pay for eaeh^it!?,i° 4- Members shall 2s. 6d.. N«Xie £ jered 111 the Herd Book Socdeities to amalgamation 5' The^ t,wo oia-1 basis. Any balance an £ f m,e ^ith as the old Society choose Th general meeting sha.ll be- held' alternatii"nu? ^orth Wales and. South Wales, at the tdme Jrf agricultural shows. That the Herd Book left open for entries of inspected cattle u^til tthe- dosing of the first volume. The two ^alll committees to be appointed for the pur- ^specting cattle in South Wales and Wa/les respectively." thio Secretaay also read a letter from Ci ?rrfnT to *¥ North Wales Societv GllSlf f0110^111^ lrom ^r J. Worthington, th^ ?6ar Sir ~Tl? c<>«»mon, no doubt your agricultural readere, I am (ttad to see the Bath and West of England 1 .Wr*: »uch good prizes at Swan- S, a"d the Society will, I feel sure, .soon a Jhe R°ya'> visit- different towns in "'av to. that 11 °"' adopted by the Jlffw.1 institution, and thus acquire equal I fulfil as useful a position as the society. WeMi people are, however, particularly pleased to note that the Society is offering prizes for both South and North Wales Black Cattle, as these are two quite distinct breeds, and to my mindi there can be no question or doubt that the South Castle'- martins are the oldest, purest, and original breed, and that the North cattle are the re- sult of a cross. Personally,I should regret very much to have any of the North blood in- troduced to my herdJ- or to see the two herd books amalgamated as has been sugges- ted. I do not think any intelligent observer can have failed to see how the Castlemartins have improved during the last twenty years, while not the least important feature in the matter is the reputation which these, cattle have recently acquired with the result that they are being now much sought after both at home and abroad, while they are also eminently suitable for cold climates, as they require-, no shelter in the winter-theii, coats being so thick and warm. All my best cows have no shelter, and do better out than in, and for early Maturity and quality are equal to the Shorthorns and Herefords, and the butchers prefer them. Of course I. do no'b starve my cattle. Yours very truly, JOHN WORTHINGTON. Glynymel, Fisiiguard, Feb. 29, 1904. Since then he (the Hon. Secretary) had received the following letter from Mr R. M. Greaves, We-rn, Portmado:c: -"Deialr Sir,—I saw Professor Winter- and Mr Bovill, ait outr meerbing yesterday, and was glad to hear from them that you had had a pleasant and satis- factory meeting. It was a grievous dis- appointment to me not to be able to be pre- sent to meet! you. I trust that your Society will see the aad^fuatages of amalgamation with ours, so that all the Blaok Welsih Cattle may eb in one Herd Book. The advantages to be ganed by all concerned appeair to mfc to be so ob-vrioust that- I cannot but think that your Society is sure to see them. A short time ago my bailiff was at a ttale in South Wales. and he tells me that several heifers he would nave liked to have bought, but, of course, loud not do so, as they weere not, eligible or our Herd Book. I think that. now our efforts in bringing the good' points of the Welfeh treed prominently before the publict having gained sofl^ mea«uras- of suocessi, it is most lesiraMe that we Should have the breed on as iro,ad a base as possible, so that we may more jasily be able t obtain fresh Mood While keep- .ng the breed pure. I have heard of several foreign buyers who have been anxious to buy pedigree Welsh cattle, but on attempting to do so have: been met by the fact that there are two Herd Books, which for all practical | purposes is the same hasi having no Herd Book ait all. I am glad to say there is a, distinctly increasing interest being taken in the cattle, i at this end of the' country, and we elected a number of new members at our meeting yesterday, and I think if all breeders of Welsh cattle were combined in one Society, we | should be much stronger and able to make our voices heard much better. You wiN forgive my repeating these points, which, no doubt, our delegates put, with others, fully before you. The zelo from Cardiff, about which I wrote to you, is still lying idle, and I think that in the event of an amlaganuition, I coulid not put it to a more worthy object than assist- mg to defray any preliminary expenses that may be incurred in combining the two books. I sihiall be at the council meeting of the R.A.S.E., on Mondlay and Tuesday next, and my addiressi will be (Tuesday and Wednesday) 26, Buckingham Gaite, S.W. I am, dear Sir, yours truly, R. M. GREAVES. The Chairman said he was sorry the North Wales members who proposed to meet them at Shrewsbury, did not, turn up, but in place they sent men who were certainly interested in Black cattle, but the best of them hadn't seen a black beast 12 years ago, and did not know much about them (laughter) —at least to have any conversation with them who had been breeding, and whose forefathers had tiaiken delight in breeding black cattle. He really expected such men as Col. Piatt, Mr Greaves, and Lord Harlech to came and diis- cuss the, question. He pointed out to them very plainly what he thought with regard to blacik cattle. He could see very plainly there was no necessity of their crossing. To his view the North Wales black beast such as they had seen at the shows lately was only a sort of lighthouse to guide- them from the rook. There was danger in them. He had brought somw likenesses of the blacis cattle bred: in the first volume- of the North Wales herd book, and they were, very different cattle to what they had seen at the- Royal and other shows. Mr J. W. Hariii-es said he was sorry that Mr Griffiths was still of the opinion that it was not worth while to amalgamate. In his opinion, the North Wales- friends met them with a good heart- (hear, hear), and were ready to make- concessions to meet them in every point to get these two societies to amalgamate into one. They were, andi so was. he, o& the opinion that they wouM derive much benefit by doing so. As Professor Winter said the Welsh cattle, either North or South, could be crossed with the Kerry, or Galloway, or any other black breed and1 still be called Welsh cattle, and they would be accepted as unre- gistored cattle -at the Ro-yaili, which was a, dis- grace in a way. They were in a position, he thought, to get their cattle registered, as the; pure- Welsh breed; they were not bound to cross them with any other strain. They had heard from Mr Worthington's letter that he was much opposed to crossing; well, let every body who desired to keep his own breed select do so. That was a matter of opinion, but Jet them ha-ve one society (hear, hear). That he believed would help them to selil their cattle. It would be the means of advertising their cattle to the Argentine and South Africa; and if they could persuade the foreigner to come and be buyers, they were the boys to give them high prices (hear, hear, and laugh- ter). The North Wales friends said they would most likeliy come to their sales and purchase their cattle, and the more the buyers the higher the prieesi would go. They wanted money as a rule, a-ndl ecpecially for their breed, and he did not. think anybody would reap benefit by keeping aloof. With regard to the obstacles they hiad! heard against amal- gamating, they had heardl the, North Wales people were willing to come more than half- way they were willing for them to name, a Secretary for South Wales, which was an im- portant question. Mr Thomas told him should that be d'ane that he would not be willing to carry on. as it would be too much work. He did not know whether he was of the, same opinion now ("No, no."), but the, matter could be settled lateir on. With regard! to the meetings, the North Wales people suggested' they should be held alternately, at the time of the United: Counties Show in South Wales, and at the Aberystwith or some, other show in North Wales'. As to, finances, they were willing to meet, them with a, clean slate. He asked them if they would guarantee half the- expense of the, Seoretairy and printing, and they sa-idl "Yes." Mr Thomas said "Leave it to their honour," but he wanted everything to be above board (hear, hear and "This is a matter of business."). They were ready to meet them in every point, and they considered they could treble their members by doing a little canvassing, or missionary work. They in South Wales could do the same thing if they went at it thoroughly and had an active secretary to lead them. He proposed that they do amalgamate-, as he believed it would be to their benefit (hear, hear). The Chairman observed that the iudeine was the difficulty. When they met the North Wales cattle in Carmarthen it was always, a difficulty to get judges, and he thought, the, yUvr would be more difficult than ever. Mr D H. Thomas, Starling Park said he was much in favour of Mr Harries' proposi- t-ion as he thought it would be- a great benefit to the whole breed if they amialgamited1 with the North. He said so at the last meeting and1 gave his reasons. He thought one of the strongest reasons was that the foreigner and thait, was the trade they wanted to get hold of —would not buy cattle unless they were full pedigree cattle, and entered in a recognised herd book. The future of the breed: of WeJsih cattle depended entirely upon whether y oould get hold of the foreign market- or animey a!««. & IhS^nST with the quantity of beat brought W forelSn countries inta th.s wintry, there was no mgl ture at all of the Welsh. Breed. He thought if the feedng qualities and the- beef qualities of these cattle were put properly before the foreigner it would be the means of their coming and buying a lot of cattle, out of thisi country. The foreigner did1 not, mind what he paid for an article so long as he got. the right article. If they got the foreigner that would give, a, to 1V heme- market. If the foreigners t.u nii big prices, everybody would want to have a go, and would giyo them big prices. Uuless they had a pro-

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