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CARMARTHEN BAY FISHERY J BOARD.

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CARMARTHEN BAY FISHERY J BOARD. The annual meeting of the Board of Conser- vators of the Towy Fishery district' was held in the Guildhall, Carmarthen, on Monday afternoon, the members in attendance being —Captain John Morris (chairman) His Honour Jtidge Bishop, Dolgarreg Mr Herbert Peel, Taliaris Colonel Richardson, Glanbrydan Park Mr P. Thursby- Pelham, Abertnarlais Park Mr S. H. Owen, Hill, Narberth Capt. T. Brook, Tenby Mr M. L. W. Lloyd-Price, Bryiicothi Key R. G. Lawrence, Middleton Hall Mr C. E Morris, Penbryn Mr J. Beynon, Trewern Mr Morse, Llandawke Mr D. Stephens, Arlais Mr Stephens, Cnedybrnin; Mr J. LI. Thomas, Tanlan Mr Parcell Rees, Mr James Davies, Mr Wm. Davies, Mr E. A. Rogers, Mr W. R. Edwards, Rev D. Cadvan Jones and Mr David Lewis, Carmarthen Mr D. L. Jones, Derlwyn Mr Lewis, Meiros Hall together with Mr Jonah Davies (solicitor, deputy clerk), and Mr R. Ll. Williams (superintendent of water bailiffs). A OF CHAIRMAN AND VICE-CHAIRMAN. Capt. Morris was unanimously re-elected chair- man, and Mr Herbert Peel was appointed vice- chairman. FISHERIES DISTRICT, The Clerk read a communication from the Board of Trade relative to the creation of the Milford Haven Sea Fisheries District, and it was pointed ouc by the authority above that none of the powers of the conservators were curtailed by it, nor their interests affected. However, if the board desired to make any observations on the draft order which accompanied the letter, they should be forwarded to the department not later than the 8th of February.—A small committee was eventually formed to discuss the bye-laws before the same were- returned to the Board of Trade. REPORT OF THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. The executive committees annual report showed the receipts at the end of last year to be E844 19s lid, which included the balance of JE244 10a 2d carried over from the previous year. The receipts in 1890 and 1889 were J6797 15a lid and E706 1:3d 3d respectively. The expenditure for the year came to JE596 5s 9d, as against R545 17s Od and JL497 10s 7d in 1890 and 1889. Therefore there is now a balance in hand of E248 148 2d, The receipts for coracle nets and salmon rods had increased, whereas the seine ne, s and general licenses had decreased. SUPERINTENDENT'S REPORT. The report of Mr R. L1. Williams, superin- tendent of water bailiffs (which was adopted). showed that the continued wet weather had kept the rivers high and fish had been able to run up almost continuously. The run of salmon and sewin had been the largest for some years and there was every prospect of a successful spawning season. Two cases of diseased fish had been reported. Both where hen fish and were found on Christmas Eve, one, unspawned, in theGwili, and the other, spawned, in the Cothy. During the quarter eleven persons had been proceeded against for offences against the Salmon Acts. Eight were convicted, one dismissed, and the charges against two "ere withdrawn. 11 11 REPRESENTATIVE MEMBERS AND EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE. The Clerk stated that the cost of the election of the four representative members was £2 4s 6d, which sum the Board decided to pay. On the motion of Mr Beynon, the executive committee was re-appointed. A LONG-STANDING FISHERMEN'S GRIEVANCE REMOVED. The Chairman said they had now to consider the notice of motion given by Mr C. E. Morris, and to pass and make, if deemed expedient, a new bye-law as follows: — That in the Towy Fishery District the annual close season for fishing for salmon (except with rod and line) shall commence on the 17th September, and end on the 15th March following, both clays inclusive. Mr C. E. Morris, in bringing forward this motion once more, expressed a regret that it should be his unpleasant duty to have to submit it at all again to the board. He wished further to say that he would have been glad if it had fallen into mere competent hands than his, having regard to what had passed, and yet he did not think lie could have done anything more than he had done. When he undertook this duty some two or three years ago he did so with vary considerable anxiety for he anticipated that it was almost necessary to fall foul with persons with whom he wished to be on friendly terms, and he did not believe that any ingenuity of his c .uld avoid such a result, but he had very much pleasure in acknowledging that he was utterly wrong, because he had ne:er, since he had undertaken this duty, had an unpleasant word with anybody. He had been met at the board's meetings with unfailing courtesy and consideration and treaied at the worst, perhaps, as a very perverse and obstinate fanatic, but at all events a very sincere one. On the present occasion he did not think it was possible to avoid bringing forward this motion once more. He based his statement upon a reply received from the authorities giving the reason why they lefused the extended time on the last occasion. The reasons appeared to him to be so extraordinarily fallacious that he could not understand how they could have b-een written seriously by anyone. He would try to go through them from memory, as he had not his papers with him. One of the reasons piven was "The number of instruments used in the cipture of fish in this district." Considering that these authorities hid before them at the time they made that observation, ofticiil returns for three successive years, he t itally failed to understand how they could make such statement, because if they referred to the official statement of the Clerk they would find that in the years 1888 -89-90, the three first important items among the licenses had decreased every year. Therefore, there WHS less need for that observation in regard to 1890 than 1888 and 1889. The second reason was the stock of salmon." He supposed that that suggested scarcity, while as regards the season 1889—90, the sewin were extraordinarily plentiful, and in 1890-91 the salmon were exceptionally auundant. If the Board would refer to the local papers they would see that gentlemen up the river in all portions of the minor streams had been making extraordinary catches of salmon, many taking two or three in a morning. Then they heard that day from the head water- bailiff that he had never seen so many salmon in his life. In the face of that, where could be the sense in the second reason. The third reason contained an absolutely irrational statement. The authorities stated that if the Board asked fur this concession they would be attempting to commit a breach of the faith with the Tenby fishermen. Why, he himself, only two years aco, presented to the Board a petition signed by 120 Tenby fishermen asking for the very thing which the authorities above said it would he a breach of faith to ask for, In order to satisfy himself that he would be justified in making another attempt to get this concession he took the trouble to write for the Tenby fishermen's views. In reply to his enquiry, Mr Mathias Thomas, a recent conservator, stated I have seen several Tenby fishermen, none of whom could give me a clear explanation of the arrangement made in 1885—86, but chey all hope you will succeed in your efforts on their behalf for which they are extremely thankful." They had been rcpeatdly told at that Board that their object wss simply to kill the goose that laid the golden eg^s, and it was asked in a most perfect joke by a respected member: "Is it the lower nshermen that kill the goose that lays the ,'olden eggs And he (the speaker) said No. It was the people ill the upper waters, if there was a goose of that, de<cri| iioii. He based his statement upon what Mr Lawrence has recently mentioned in regard to the extraordinary poaching action near Llandilo. He had recently written to a person at Llandilo on this subject, and had received in reply very startlingstateuients. He was not allowed to make them public, but he most say they cor- roborated what Mr Lawrence had said, and showed that the mischief was done very much more at Llandilo than down here near Carmar- | then. If any n eg tec*. did exist up the river, he thought the upper proprietors were to blame, and the lower water fishermen should not suffer in consequence. He earnestly appealed to ;he Board to accept his njoliorl, If they did not, if he was alive, he proposed to go on asking that it be passed until his desire wa3 accomplished (applause). He believed he was asking for what was very moderate, and for what was simple justice and fair play. A very dear friend of his, who had only very lecently departed, had exercised his influence with the fishermen, and got them to consent to a reduction of a month to 15 or 16 days. He again earnestly requested that this modest request be granted and so save further annoyance, and convert the lower fisher- men from being in opposition to the law, and free the bailiffs, who are at present overworked, and induce the fishermen to help their officials to maintain the law (hear, hear) Mr David Lewis seconded the proposition and in the course of an appeal stated that other districts had a longer fishing season, and there- fore he could not see why the concession asked for thould not be granted. In conclusion the speaker said If you do not give us fairplay this time I tell you the same as Latimer Jones once stid Tlip, stones in the and the timber in the tree." shall cry against you in the day of judgment (great laughter). Mr E. A. Rogers in supporting the motion, I stated that they would be inducing the fisher- men to prevent others taking salmon during the spawning period _m Mr James Davies (emphatically) NV hat is the reason our fishermen do not get the same chances as other fishermen ? They are a numerous class, well-conducted and sober, and very seldom break the law. Why do not they have the same extension of time I Why should arbitrary powers be taken in their case? Let them have this little boon and then instead of having the curses of about 80 men you will get their blessings. I would much rather have one blessing than a thousand curses. Why do the nobility of the country at large wish to grasp all the power ? They want the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea—(loud laughter)—Why dont they in the name of common humanity extend their rights to those that deserve them. The fish in the waters were created for man and why do you grasp them ? I am sure it is not only ungentle- manly, but unmanly to do so. I like to lie inj head on my pillow and think I have done that what is right for my fellow man instead of grasp- ing all fur myself, and therefore I appeal to you to do to your fellowman as you would wish your fellowman to do unto you (hear hear, and laughter) Mr John Beynon, in moving a direct negative, stated that as a matter of fact there was no river in England or Wales similar to the Towy for which the time was extended. In the middle of September fish were not fit for the public market and some five or six years ago he received from Carmarthen on the 26th of August a salmon for a large luncheon party, but it was so bad he could not put it on the table. The board's object and that of the salmon laws was to increase the supply of fish for the public. Hence his con- tinued opposition to the motion. Mr James Davies asked if fish taken by the rod were better than those taken by the net. Mr P. Thursby-Pelham believed it was a real fact that by the latter end of August the lower waters of the Towy were swarming with sewin waiting to go up the river to spawn, and he con- tended that the Act was created for the better preservation of the fish for the people, and not for the special benefit of the fishermen or the holders of rod licenses. If, therefore, it be found that the taking of large numbers of fish in the lower waters at the time they ought to be allowed to go up to spawn was bad for the preservation of the food for the people, then on that ground and not on any class grounds, he stated that the ad- vocates of the fishermen were quit e wron, and he would support the direct negative. Mr James Davies again attempted to speak, but was ruled out of order by the chairman. The Rev D. Cadvan Jones, who, was also urged by the chairman to keep to the point, made an appeal similar to that of Mr Davies, adding that he would not be content with the extension asked for by Mr Morris, but would, if he had the honour of being a member of the Board in the future, bring foward a motion asking for the whole month and, whereupon, Mr M. L.W.Lloyd-Price said he was glad he had come to the botton of the matter, for judging by what the previous speaker had stated, the fisher- men would notevidently be satisfied with the extra 16 days, but would eventually clamour for a further extension. Mr C. E. Morris, interposing, wished to state that Air Price had conceived a wrong idea, and intimated that the fishermen would be satistiell if they got what he sought. Mr Lloyd Price, continuing, stated there was a very trite saying that "It is better to endure the ills we have, than to fly to others that we know not of." One of Mr Morris's principal a'guments seemed to be that there was a very large stock in the river. The stock, being so good, showed first of all that the preservation had been doing some good, and if they took away from the end of the season and put it on to the beginning, they would not satisfy Mr Morris's application. He would willingly grant that con- ces-ion. Mr Ilorris-Fiesli and blood could not go into the water then. Mr Lloyd Price did not think the season was shorter here than elsewhere, and he was con- firmed by Mr Beynon. Mr Morris—Give us instances. Mr Lloyd Price I think all the Irish rivers have shorter time than we have. Mr Beynon—The Teify has certainly six weeks more at the commencement of the season than this river, but at that time of the year there are no clean fish in the river. Mr Lloyd Price said it had been suggested that they wanted to get the fishermen on the pro- prietors' side. He was sorry to suppose that the fishermen were not lawful. They wculd have the old story of the Wye again if they did not mind. The Wye was once the finest salmon river in Wales, but it was now utterly spoilt owing to too long an extension. He appealed to the Board in the name of common sense not to pass the motion. Mr Stephens, Coedybrain, who lived among the fishermen of Ferryside, thought Mr Morri had been very moderate in his demand. Hcg would like to get the whole month. At Ferry- side Mondays and Saturdays were entirely lost to the men if the tides did not suit, and then they had only four days left in which to work for the maintenance of themselves and families. The months of April and May were of no use to them, as then the water was too cold for anyone to fish in. Mr Herbert Peel-The fish have been on the increase for the last six years. Why make an alteration with a chance of decreasing them ? Judge Bishop deprecated the idea of there being any difference between the upper pro- t!1 prietors, or as they were sometimes called the aristocrats, and the fishermen, for every man was an aristocrat if he conducted himself like a gent'eman and kept the law. He was with the fishermen, and wished them success. Some people in wishing to catch as many fish as they could trusted to God Almighty to send thsm more in future years. 011 that point there micyht be a difference of opinion. He would willingly give up his rod-fishing for the whole of Septem- ber if it would do the fishermen any good, because he thought that what was good for one was good for the other, but he objected entirely to the principle that directly they found the fish to be on the increase they should extend the time for fishing. He was glad to hear that the river was a very productive one for the public food, and he was anxious to keep it so. He would be very happy if the fishermen would increase their net subscriptions so as to enable the number of bailiffs to be increased. Then if they found an equal number of fish let them extend the time when it became reasonable. At present it would be to the interest of the Board and the fishermen if they allowed the system which had beeu in vogue so long to be followed. In the result 15 voted for the motion and 9 against it. I'he motion was, therefore, carried. The Board then rose.

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