The Aberdare Leader

THE INDECISION OF YOUNG MEN. Dear Sir,—Allow me a, little space to ex. press my humble views concerning the action of the Rev. J. B. Davies, Abercwm- boy. I think that these young men, like most young men, are undecided. Their action reminds me of one of the judges, who, after hearing one side of a case thought he knew everything about it, but after hearing the other side became per- plexed. This perplexity these young men would have undergone if left to themselves a little while longer. I wonder if the rev. gentleman was so decided at twentyone as he is now ? Perhaps he had the prudence not to utter his thoughts then, and perhaps too, he had a kind superintendent watch- ing over him. I plead in all common fair- ness for the young men, that he should as a Christian minister have done likewise. Remember the golden rule, Do unto others as you would others do unto you." Then, the fundamental truths of our re- ligion will not suffer through not practis- ( ing them.—Yours, A YOUNG MAN.

THE CHURCHES AND NEW THEOLOGY. Sir,—Kindly allow me a small space in your paper to compliment the Rev. W. J. Rowlands, of Hirwain, for his straight- forward letter to your paper. No doubt, if any of the boosy deacons should meet with him they would not forget him. The Rev. Bowen Davies says that he and his church would take the letter for what it is worth. Well, then, let me tell the Rev. Mr. Davies that it is worth a great deal. Your correspondent, Jacob Jones, refers to it as a silly letter. Then it is a pity that we have not got more of those silly men about. Jacob Jones deplores the silent con- sent of local ministers upon the question, and calls them spiritual cowards." Jacob Jones is quite right when he says that we want strong-minded men as pastors, but the Rev. W. J. Rowlands, with whom he finds fault, is one of those men. It is the New Theology men who have strong minds and are able to express them, and if Jacob Jones & Co. don't hurry up they will wake up some morning and find that they are all left behind. I should be glad if they would invite the Rev. W. J. Rowlands to Abercwmboy for a Sunday. No doubt they would alter their opinion of him.—I am, &c., ONE WHO KNOWS.

NEW THEOLOGY AT ABERCWMBOI. (Held over from last week.) Sir,—My name having been introduced into your well known paper through an interview of your correspondent with an Old Theologian at Abercwmboi re the expulsion of New Theologians at Bethle- hem, may I make a few remarks on the same. Let me. first thank this Old Theo- logian for giving me such a cheap ad- vertisement without my consent. I never thought before that I was such an in- truding personality and shadowed for such a long time by local detectives. He says that the movement began in a class of three in the open-air under the canopy of heaven. So far, good; we were in for sanitation anyhow. But is it true, eh? No, my friend, such a class never exist- ed, only within your diseased imagin- ation. Let they who read this come to inspect the Sunday School Register and find out for themselves. As to the morn- ing and evening services, we were like the poor, always there, much to the an- noyance of the supporter of the min- ister, as we now begin to find out. Just think of it. Suspected of such a thing, and the pastor and deacons never utter- ing a word to you about it. What think ye of such discipline in a Christian Church? The thing, sir, is absurdity in- sarnated. In regard to Mr. Dennis, after going over to the Unitarians, his selection would be void of tact and intelligence on our part, when we knew that the blood- hounds were out, prepared for any spoil. But it is a good expulsion cry, in order to get the sympathy of the churcliee, after doing such a dirty action. We will proceed now to the ever- memorable church meeting of October 20th, to hear the so-called heterodox members being catechised unprepared. What Papal assumption on the part of these would-be-infallibilities to draw forth a declaratory creed from these members! Compare this action with the sayings of the leading lights of Congre- gationalism, such men as Forsyth, Gar- vie, Stevenson of Beckenham; W. B. Selbie, Cambridge, and others. Then he mentions other doctrines which in his opinion are the fundamentals of Christ- ianity. May I refer to Dr. Forsyth's masterly address from the chair of the Congregational Union. He would find something there that would do him good. We come now to the last ditch of perse- cution, The Trust Deeds," or, as the Rev. J- Morgan Gibbon termed them, "Ecclesiastical Brickbats." What think ye of such weapons used in the name of Congregationalism, the denomination of the heroes of freedom, such men as Brown, Owen, Barrow, Greenwood, Pen- I-y, Milton and last but not least, the great Cromwell, who said of us that "we were cradled in toleration. Shame on you for dragging1 the fair name of In- dependence down so low. Next we come to a desire for other churches to join them, for 'they are ashamed of being down m the glitter themselves. Following that we have another falsehood, viz., that We had studiously for some time cnoided select- ing New Theologians as teachers. As a matter of fact they never knew who they were, and the auspeeted three were always employed. Is not that true, ye prominent man of Bethlehem? Next we have a statement that they were not los- ing the best in losing those who were drifting towards Rationalism. Bah, the grapes are sour. Now we come to what has been a great sore to "the prominent man "-Socialism! But let the truth be known, though the heavens fall, they were I.L.Peers long before Mr. Campbell was. No doubt they proved cantanker- ous to our friend in the same manner as John the Baptist was to Herod. Yes, my "prominent man," you are only confirm- ing the conviction of hypocrisy" and self- righteousness about the Christ, because he was ever cantankerous" in their opinion, and ever will be. Abercwmboi. SAMUEL DAVIES.

OLD v. NEW THEOLOGY.-A REJOINDER. Sir,—Before stating my view of the case, may I be allowed to tender the Rev. J. B. Davies and family my deepest sympathy in their sad bereavement. The pastor and ten of the deacons state in their refutation of Mr. Rhydderch's statements, That Mr. Pugh proposed Mr. Dennis." May I just recall the fact to them, that it was the pastor that men- tioned Mr. Dennis first in that meeting, and asked Mr. Pugh's opinion concern- ing him, when he had no business to do so. The only one proposed by Mr. Pugh was the Rev. J. M. Jones, M.A., Aber- dare. Again they state "That this matter was brought forward on Sunday morning, August 23rd, in a preparatory meeting." The tiuth is that no such preparatory meeting was held on that mcrning. Only the deacons were pres- ent when the matter was brought for- ward by Mr. Joseph Williams, and it was no regular meeting of deacons either. The minister, after the service ended, was standing in the big seat, and about to go, when the thing cropped up. To begin with, we had no chairman to rule the so-called meeting. The minis- ter stood in the aisle for a few minutes, Listening to what was going on, and after putting two or three queries to the writer he went out, followed by one or two of the deacons. This was done in the best spirit remember, and so brought the first scene in the drama to a finish. There was no talk of placing it on the agenda, neither was any resolution passed, because it ended in a tiff be- tween two of the deacons. It is stated that in the church meeting of August 25th it was discussed at some length, and held over for Sept. 22nd. The facts are these. In the said church meeting (August 25th) it was found out that a notice of motion was given by Mr Joseph Williams a 'month previous to call the attention of the church to some errors that were preached by some students, and were believed also by a few members of the church. After submitting his motion to the meeting he sat down. It was suggested that they proceed with the next business. Then the proposer of the motion rose and spoke upon it, and in the course of his remarks he attacked Mr. Evan Jones (one of the expelled ones now), and was aided in the task by Mr. Evan Jones, the builder. May I ask the proposer of the motion, what spirit pos- sessed him when he went out from that meeting? No resolutions were moved in regard to postponing it to a further meeting. If it was considered so import- ant a question, what was the reason for the absence of the pastor and three deacons-viz., Messrs. P. Rees, Augustus Davies, and John Evans-from that church meeting ? They had no mandate whatever to discuss the matter further in any meeting. Whether they discussed it or not in the church meeting of Sept. 22nd, I doubt their moral right to do so, in the light of what transpired in the church meeting of August 25tii. As a matter of fact not a word was men- tioned about it from August 25th until October the 18th, as it was all discussed in camera by a section of the diaconate who had fostered the motion, and was bound to carry it through at any cost. With regard to the twelve that were pres- ent who voted for the, expulsion, we are told that nine deacons were present. I do not deny it, but I was taught in school that you must add three to nine to make twelve. As to the latter por- tion of their refutation, its sophistry is plain to be seen.—Yours in the service of the, truth, SAMUEL DAVIES. (Expelled Deacon.)

OLD v. NEW THEOLOGY. Sir,—While many preachers and deacons in their prayers and addresses hold, up the ideal of one broad universal church, which shall include all those who are willing and anxious to worship God in spirit and in truth, it must be galling for them to witness what is now going on at Abercwmboi. This is an age of toleration, an age when men of var- ious beliefs have learned to regard each other as brothers notwithstanding such differences. Not so very long ago each denomination had its hand at the throat as it were of another denomination. Points of discord were emphasised, and the main doctrines, upon which all agreed, were seldom dealt with. All that is disappearing, and just as we consider- ed ourselves entering upon the golden era of peace in the Christian Church, a bomb, in the shape of the expulsion oi New Theologians, is thrown. Your cor- respondent "Logicus" referred to Mrs. Humphrey Ward's forcible argument showing why a man should leave the church when he finds himself not in har- monv with its creed. That sounds very well in fiction but why does not Mrs. Ward herself quit the church? It is well-known that she is very far advanced in the matter of Theology, but as yet she has not officially severed her connec- tion with the Church of England. Your correspondent also names Rev. Stopford Brooke, F. W. Newman, and J. H. New- man. But it should be remembered that these are exceptions. For every one heretic that has secede-d from the Church, a hundred remain inside. Dean Stanley, a scrupulously honourable Christian, deemed it his duty to pursue his good work inside the Church rather than secede owing to a change of views. The late Archbishop Temple, and the late Dean Farrar, are two more ex- amples. If you proceed to excommuni- cate every man and woman who believe in Darwin's evolution theory, then you are going to rob the Christian Churches of their most valuable asset. The late John Jones (Idrisyn) once said that if the evolution theory was right, then the Bible was shattered from Genesis to Revelation. But John Jones spoke short- ly after Darwin's discovery, when the great Biologist was howled and execrated by every church. Now we know better what the Bible is. It is a guide to con- duct and right living, and not a histori- cal or scientific work. The Abercwmboi deacons must have spent their lives under a tub if they are now shocked for the first time by hearing that there never was a Fall. If Bethle- hem Church is not large enough for these 15 men, then so much worse for the church. I would rather be one of the 16 than one of the remaining 350. It is such conduct as that of the authorities of Bethlehem that has cut up the Christian Church into a hundred different sections. There should be room provided for every believer in an all-wise Providence. That is the main thing. The Declaration of Faith drawn up by the Congregational Union in 1833, has been mentioned. What I want to know is whether the minister and deacons of Bethlehem are prepared to make absolute belief in this, a condition of church membership. If so, then they can proceed to expel a hundred or 200 more. The heretic of to-day is the ortho- dox of to-morrow, and it is surely un- necessary to point out that the resurrec- tion of the body, for instance, is not be- lieved in by half of the men who com- pose the Christian Churches to-day. Yet that is one of the beliefs that are deemed essential in the Congregational Declar- ation of Faith. Let me ask once more: Is the Rev. J. Bowen Davies, and are his loyal henchmen, prepared to throw overboard all those who do not subscribe to Bodily Resurrection, in the same manner as they have expelled the 16 men who deny the Fall and the Atonement?— Yours truly, Mountain Aeh. CANOPY.

PENILLION 0 GYDYMDEIMLAD A DUWINYDDION NEWYDD ABERCWMBOI. Mae rhyw gynhwrf yn y gwersyll, A rhyw glic yn eglwys Dduw, Sydd yn bwrw saethau erchyll I galonau dynion byw Eglwys gyfan sydd mewn rhyfel Gyda dim ond tri-ar-ddeg 0 ganlynwyr eiddil Campbell, Dyma beth yw chwareu teg! Tri-ar-ddeg heb gymun bellach, Tri-ar-ddeg heb wenau Duw, Tri-ar-ddeg a'u credo'n afiach, Beiddiant drigo'n mhlith y byw Tri-ar-ddeg yn cael eu cospi, Am 'ynt feddwl dros eu hun Am ein hanwyl, anwyl Iesu, Mab y Duw a'r perffaith ddyn. Safwch eto'n gadarn, fechgyn, Er nad 'ych ond tri-ar-ddeg, Dysgwch egwyddorion Iesu, Rhydd y nef i'ch chwareu teg; Tri o blant y gaethglud safodd Ar wastadedd Dura lan, Dros eu Duw yn benderfynol, Ac arbedwyd hwy o'r tan. Fe arbedir chwithau hefyd, Mae yr lesu glan o'ch plaid, Rhodiwch chwi yn ol ei gamrau, Rho'wch i ereill rin ei waed Rhodiwch byth mewn cariad brawdol, Nid fel Phariseaid cudd, Ond fel Crist ein pen tywysog, A pherffeithiwr mawr ein ffydd. D. H. JONES. 31, Merthyr Road, Hirwain.

Saron, Aberaman. On Sunday last, the services at the above church were devoted towards the cultivation of a deeper spirit and interest on behalf of the Missionary Movement. In the morn- ing a prayer meeting was held, at which a very fervent spirit'prevailed. In the after- noon a special meeting for the children was held, when earnest addresses were de- livered by Messrs Tom Edwards, Thomas Harries, Illtyd Hopkins, and the Rev, H. P. Jenkins, pastor. Appropriate songs were also rendered by the children's choir, under the conductorship of Messrs Lewis John Davies and Howell Thomas. In the evening again a missionary sermon was preached by the Rev. H. P. Jenkins. Th6 meetings have been the means of creating fresh interest in the work of the London Missionary Society.

Cynon Valley Air Rifle League. A well-attended meeting in connection with the above league was held on Wed- nesday at the Talbot Inn, Aberdare. Mr P. J. Reardon, Mountain Ash, occupied the chair, and Mr. J. H. Jones, Godre- aman, the new secretary, was present. The following teams were officially re- presented:—Talbot, Aberdare; Lamb and Flag, Aberaman; The Institute, Cwmaman; C.Y.M.S., Mountain Ash; Cwmdare; the Band Institute, and the Territorials, Aberdare. More teams intend joining, and there is every pros- pect of the league proving more success- ful than ever. Col. Phillips, Aberdare, is to be asked to become hon. president, and Mr. Harrison, Cwmdare, vice-presi- dent. A new code of rules was drawn up.

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Labour Registration Agents. The South Wales Miners' Federation held an important conference at Cardiff on Monday. Alderman Enoch Morrell submitted a scheme for the appointment of regis- tration agents, and remarked that the Labour Party should not hang to the skirts of either the Liberal or Conserva- tive agents, but should accept the re- sponsibilities which devolved upon them as a political party. It was decided to appoint 3 agents, and that the constituencies be grouped as follows (1) East Carmarthen, Gower, Mid- Glamorgan and Breconshire. (2) South Glamorgan, East Glamor. organ, Rhondda and Merthyr. (3) South Monmouthshire, North Monmouthshire and West Monmouth- shire. The council recommended that the I salaries of the agents be .£156 each per annum, with travelling expenses. I Against this there were counter proposi- tions that the salary be X2 10s. per week and X2 per week. There voted for £3 a week, 133; for X2 10s. per week, 129; and for t2 per week, 15. On a show of cards £3 a week was the salary fixed upon. The conference agreed to allow travelling and hotel ex- penses, the amounts to be determined by the finance committee of the Feder- ation. It was resolved by 184 votes to 77 that each area should appoint its own agent. A motion that Mr Morgan Thomas, Cardiff (Mr Brace's agent at the general election), be one of the registration agents, was defeated by 1875 votes to 1052.

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Up and Down the Valley. Hirwain. LECTURE.—To re-open the Literary and Debating Society a lecture was de- livered by Mr W. Rees Williams, B.Sc., County Schools, Aberdare, on Friday evening, at Nebo Vestry-room, on Man's place in the Universe." The I ecture was greatly appreciated. Mr D. Jones, Schoolmaster, was chairman. Votes of thanks were passed to the lecturer and chairman for their services. DEBATING SOCIETY.—Last Fri- day evening, the members of the Liter- ary and Debating Society met for their first debate of the session at Nebo Vestry, under the presidency of Mr D. Jones. The subject was a debate on .1 Is Universal peace possible ?" Mr J. S. Mugford led the affirmative side, in an admirable manner, whilst Mr D. George Jones took the negative side in a powerful address. The vote resulted in a majority of two for the negative. THE NAVVY MISSION.—For some months past, about 200 navvies have been employed in the construction of a new reservoir in the parish of Ystrad- fellte, and the majority of these work- men reside at Hirwain, where they are spiritually cared for by Mr Joseph Budge, the Navvy Missioner. Mr Budge, who has had a very successful career under the Navvy Mission during, the past 12 years, has taken a room where he will conduct services regularly on Sundays, and Bible Classes, Temper- ance meetings etc., on week nights. OBITUARY.—On Tuesday last the death of Mrs H. Jones. Station-road, took place after a long and trying illness, at the age of 68 years. The deceased bore a long illness with Christian fortitude. She was a faithful attendant at St Lleurwg's Church. The funeral, which took place on Saturday afternoon, was very largely attended. The Rev. J. Morgan B.A., Vicar, officiated. Much sympathy is expressed with the two daughters and son in their affliction. INTERMENT.—The remains of the late Mr Wm. Morgan, Postmaster, were conveyed to rest on Wednesday after- noon, at Penderyn Churchyard. The service at the house was conducted by the Rev. J. Morgan B.A., Vicar. The funeral was strictly private. The fol- lowing were the mourners :—First Coach Messrs Claud Lewis, Barry, D. Pritchard, Ebbw Vale, J. Morgan, Taly- bont, Revs. J. Morgan B.A. Vicar, and D. J. Arthur B.A., curate, Hirwain. Second Coach: Messrs D. Price, Post- master, Llandyssul, Thos. Jones, Bron- wydd, T. J. Evans, Hirwain, Phillip Jones, Hirwain, and Chas. Puffett. Tondu. Third Coach: Rev. E. Wern Williams, Hirwain, Messrs T. J. Har- gest, Glynneath, Artie Tuckfield, Hir- wain, and Sam Jones, Tylorstown. The bearers were Messrs David Davies, John Edmunds, William Lewis and Francis Jones. At the grave, the officiating clergy were the Vicar of Hirwain, and the Rector of Penderyn.

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Mountain Ash dottings. BY "LUCIFER." U English as she is* spoke is often vague and frequently ambiguous, and "English as she is wrote" is not much better. The preacher and the lawyer had a long argument at the Council meeting on Tuesday week respecting a phrase in the petition presented to the Bishop of Llandaff at the Consecration Ceremony, Maesyrarian Cemetery. The phrase runs as follows: "That this ground (the consecrated portion) be re- served for the use of the inhabitants of Mountain Ash Urban District area for ever according to the rites and ceremon- ies of the Church of England." What interpretation will the average reader place upon those words, Clearly they mean that the burial of any per- son in that portion must be according to the rites and ceremonies of the Church of England. This was not the intention of the Council, and the Clerk contends that the words do not convey that mean- ing. He further maintains that notwith- standing those words any person of any creed may be buried there without the Church of England service being read. If that is so, then why was it neces- sary to use the phrase referred to? No such words apply to the other portion of the burial ground, and vet the rites and ceremonies of the Church of Eng- land or any other church may be ob- served there. Someone has blundered over this busi- ness, and the whole Council has been caught napping. That the petition should be passed and sealed without being read does not speak very much for the keenness of the members, who at election times are never weary in re- peating that they have faithfully watched over the interests of the ratepayers in general. Another interesting document saw the light at the same meeting. It was a draft Bill which the Council intend pro- moting in Parliament during the ensu- ing Session. It deals with an incongru- ous variety of subjects. W.C/s, pay- ment of members' travelling expenses, fried fish vendors and fruit merchants, street cries on Sundays, and Sunday sweets are amongst the items. To that have been added Sunday enter- tainments, throwing of banana skins, etc. The title of Omnibus Bill has been well earned here. I am afraid the Council wants rather more power than is good for them. It will be a bad look-out for Sunday con- certs and small sweet shops when the Rev. E. V. Tidman and others like him on the Council, have the right to pro- hibit the former and close the latter on Sundays. That item regarding payment of members' expenses is a bit mysterious. Why not go in for payment of members and election expenses at once?

Trecynon and Cwmdare Jottings. The Bashers were due to play at the Park on Saturday week against the Tre- cynon Rovers, but the Rovers had gone roaming to Cefn. One of the Bashers didn't know of this, and he sprinted for all he was worth, half-washed and half- famished to the Park. We can guess what his feelings were like when he found out that the rest of the Bashers were having a jolly good game on the Cwmdare Recreation Ground. Hard lines, indeed, little Basher. A new team, by the name of Cwmdare United, have been lately formed. Let us hope that they will show more unity than previous teams have shown.

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