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Beddgelert Light Railway A SUCCESSFUL. TECHNICAL OBJECTION. The Charity Commissioners held a public enquiry at Portmadoc on Monday, respect- ing the proposal to make a light railway from Portmadoc to Beddgelert and Rhvcl- ddu. The Commissioners were the Earl of Jer- sey (chairman), Colonel Boughey, C.S.I.O., and Major Fitzgerald, Mr Henry Allan Steward acted as secretary. Mr Honoratus Lloyd represented the pro- moters of the light railway (Messrs Richard Davies, David Morris, R. Isaac, A. Brom- wich, and W. Jones); Mr Marshall appeared for the opponents of the railway; and Mr R. Casson for Major Roche and the Nation- al Society for the Protection of Places of Historical Interest. Amongst those pre- sent were the Hon. F. G. Wynn, Mr George Farren, and others, representing the County Council; Messrs R. M. Greaves, Jonathan Davies, and John Jones, clerk, for the Ynys- cynhaiarn Urban Council; Robinson, solicitor, Blackburn, for the Croesor Rail- way Company; J. R. Prichard, J.P., J. E. Jones, Croesor Railway Company; Griffith Prichard; Mr Wyatt, chairman of the Light Railway promoters; Mr C. E. Breese and Mr W. George, solicitors for the promo- ters j Mr Thomas Roberts, engineer of the proposed line; Mr Vincent, solicitor, who represented some of the opponents of the scheme; and others. Mr T. Roberts, C.E., showed a complete plan of the proposed route of the railway, with the lands belong- ing to the various landowners differently coloured. Mr Honoratus Lloyd said that he ap- peared for the promoters of the railway. The proposal to connect Portmadoc, Bedd- gelert and the Snowdon district was not a new one by any means. When it was first intended to make the present line, the Croesor Railway was not included in the scheme, and this caused some people to op- pose the line. A change was made in the scheme, with the result that now it was pro- posed to make the line right from Portmad- oc Harbour to points on the Croesor Rail- way, and then to Beddgelert and Rhyd-ddu, where were important quarries and mines. There would be a thorough route all along to Rhyd-ddu. The scheme was not new. In 1861 and 1865 attempts were made to make a railway from the Welsh coast from Port- madoc to Beddgelert. The idea was similar to the present one, only it was a broad gauge, and that the line would have passed on the higher side of the Pass. That scheme was not carried out. Then the North Wales Narrow Gauge Railway Company, in 1871, drew out a scheme, part of which was to make a line from Portmadoc to Beddgelert. In fact, that was their main undertaking. The other part was the branch to Moel Tryfan. An Act was passed to make the line, which included a tunnel at Aberglaslyn. But only the branch line was made. It should be, therefore, noted that though the company were opposing the present scheme, they ap- proved of a similar line in 1871. The Chairman: The company had an Act of Parliament to make the line ? Mr Lloyd Yes, they had an Act of Par- liament. Their line would have passed along the same land as the proposed line would, with a tunnel 290 yards long, whereas the tunnel proposed now would only be 280 yards. The promoters had only adopted the of the North Wales Narrow Gauge Railway Company, which the latter had not carried out. In 1879 the Croesor Railway Act was passed, extending the line to Llan- frothen, but nothing came of the matter. About 1882 Messrs Breese, Jones, and Casson, solicitors, Portmadoc, on behalf of some clients took the idea up, and deposi- ted a Bill in Parliament. Nothing came of this attempt. Then came the scheme of the present promoters. It might be asked if it was not evidence to show the impractability of such a scheme being carried- out that so many unsuccessful attempts nM been made to carry it out ? Mr Lloyd took another view of the matter, and said that it was evi- dence to show that such an undertaking could not be carried out without the aid that the promoters of the light railway asked for. The learned counsel then proceeded to des- cribe the route of the proposed light rail- way, and said that Major Roche, a local landlord, could not be said to oppose or to favour the railway. Mr John Jones, Ynys- for. Mr Wyatt, Sir Edward Watkin, Mr Banner, Mr Dorman, Mr Pearson, and Lcrd Harlech, were all favourable to allow the railway to go over their lands, whilst the executors of Mr Priestley opposed it, to- gether with Mr Parry. Referring to the Croesor Railway, Mr Lloyd said that con- siderable difficulty had he on experienced in getting at persons who had an interest in the railway. The line was originally con- structed by Mr Beaver Roberts, and) in 1865 the company was incorporated with powers to extend the railway. Difficulties arose, and money had to be borrowed, and ulti- mately a receiver was appointed by the de- benture holders. That was the state of things at present. Only one shareholder could be found,, and that one was Mr Beaver Roberts ,who was quite willing to transfer the line to the promoters of the light rail- way. But another gentleman, named Mr Russell, objected on the grounds that the mortgagees had not been consulted. The traffic that would be served would be be- tween Carnarvon, Beddgelert, and Port- madoc. The character of the district was agricultural and mineral. The experiments carried on at Ffridde Farm by te Agricul- tural Department of Bangor College showed what ought to be done to the district. Wit- nesses would be called to show that minerals and slate quarries were in the district. The quarries which had an outlet for their slates were going concerns, such as the quarriess of Croesor. As to the slates produced at the other quarries the different qualities would find their market, some at Portmadoc, and some at Carnarvon, whereas the Portmadcc qualities were now sent at much expense to Carnarvon. There was also the passenger traffic. The scenery would not be spoilt, but steps would be taken to protect it, and people would be brought to see the beauties of the district. The amount of the com- pany's capital would be £ 40,000. The Chairman: Do you ask for a free grant ? .r Lloyd: Yes, my lord, for a frr.e grant; if we cannot get a free grant of L20,000 then we shall ask for part grant and nart loan. Unless we get one or the other, we cannot proceed with the scheme. Iroceed- inq, he said that he was not surprised to see the Narrow Gauge Railway Company object- on the ground that the capital was to be £ 60,000. The capital would be £ 40,000, and the Treasury would be asked to advance £ 20,000. The Chairman said that it was important r to know the exact sum required. [ The Chairman said that there would be some iliculty in getting a grant if the land- lords opposed. Mr Lloyd A few gr,, against us, whilst the others are in favour of the scheme. Mr Lloyd criticised the conduct of the North Wales Narrow Gauge Rsiilway Compnnv, and said that aftrr condemning the scheme they asked for running powers over the line. Mr Russell, a debenture holder of the Croesor Railway, was also a member of ths North Wales Narrow Gauge Railway Company (laughter). Mr Priestley's executors ob- jected because the engines might put the timber on fire, Such an objection could be raised to any railway. If any harm was done to land, there would be compensation. Mr Marshall then raised a technical ob- jection to the scheme on the. ground that there was no authority whereby an existing railway, like the Croesor Railway, could be sold or transferred to a Light Railway Com- pany, without first getting Parliamentary powers. Mr Marshall read extracts to prove- his contention. The responsibilities of the Croesor Railway Company could not be extinguished by an order from the Com- missioners, but by statute. Mr Beaver Ro- berts was not the only man who should have been consulted in the matter. There was Mr Kearns, who had 70 shares in the Croesor Railway. Mr Beaver Roberts had said so in a letter (produced). The other mortgages had not been consulted. They might not have given their consent. Mr Casson asked for permission to speak. Mr Marshall cllid not ;appear for Major Roche. He (Mr Casson) appeared for him, and asked the Commissioners, in case of the transfer of the Croesor Railway, to pro- tect Major Roche's right to £50 annually from a piece of land over which the Croesor Railway went. Mr Casson asked that a note be taken of the matter. Mr Lloyd said that Mr Casson did not tell the Commissioners all he knew about Major Roche's piece of land. He did not say that he (Mr Casson) was preparing the deeds to transfer the land to the promoters (loud laughter). A legal argument took place between Mr Lloyd, Mr Marshall, and the Chairman. Whilst Mr Marshall held that no order could be made transferring the Croesor Railway to the Light Railway Company, Mr Lloyd, read- ing several clauses and sections together, argued that the Commissioners had powers equal to an Act of Parliament. The Chairman said that he did not tlfcik that they had such extensive powers. If they had, they were a very important court. Mr Lloyd: I am prepared to say that you are an important court. Major Fitzgerald: It is another way of looking at a point. Mr Marshall: You cannot decide without first hearing the persons interested in the Croesor Railway. They have not been con- sulted. Further argument followed, and the Com- missioners retired to consider the point. They were absent for a short time. Upon their return the Chairman said that they could not recommend a scheme which pro- vided for the over-riding of an Act of Par- liament. They greatly repretted that such a difficulty, as Mr Lloyd had stated, would prevent the promoters going on with the scheme. It was evident to the Commissioners that their powers would have been a great deal more than. what was intended they should have, if they over-rode an Act of Parliament. This brought the proceedings to an abrupt and unexpected termination. The Court House was crowded, and keen interest was taken in the. proceedings. As the objection to the railway was upon technical grounds, the promoters, will not let the matter rest where it is.

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