South Wales Daily News

BIRTHS, MARRIAGES, DEATHS ????o/?.\?,?;<v?M<' 2'M'c/t? ?o?', <t;td M?r I lI'o,'ds, 1Ilt/.gt be hi all c(.eg (lie ?!iJtiee M!M< 6.g {/,1tthenticateâ by the jwrne and address of the wi-iter. o MARRIAGE. SA?'.TT.—MORRIS.—On the 2nd hist., S.t ITo!v Tr;:ut\ J?.v, ("ntuht't'fa?eshire, by the Rev. K. ??. Ln'e, ?].A' '\ïJliam .10)¡", only son oî i"iamllcl, of pL:c, C';l:d¡n. to Alice :\J:ry, St)('.oj;.(l (1anghtl" the late .Ju}¡¡¡ -'lorrÏs, of IJa¡¡J!wc1laiarn, Korth Wales.508

8-1 1'U17])-1 Y, PEn. !¡, lS,'2. SWANSEA AND THE NEW COLLEGE. TUr: mcei'ng held in the Albert-hall, Swansl' ye,-j''c''da.y afternoon suppled all that was needed to enable one to form a judgmenb as to the chiplS of the two rival sitea ..he proposed Cambrjan Univers.ity College. The assembly w:s large and en- According to the advertisement gtvi]' notice 01 the meeting, it wa.s intended to h? a "t() discuss and con'jider t'ro li)(-=:-t¡(Jil of the college, and all persons interested in education were invited to at- tend. b'lt pra'tieally it W,lS a meeting got up in favour of S'.v:n:aea. Every speaker to be in favour or \1¡J:"2;t as th.3 site of the college, P.U'l not AYOI'd ,,as Spo!<c'U in favour of any other locality. We :<]cntiou iL3 as f,n act of justice due to Ca.rdm. The P12Cl;¡lg held iu the To'wii-hRn of C'Kr- d:ft' \v.i.s in favour of the Cartllft' :itl, ;u)d uonsequently every spenher a.dvo- it as superior to every other, whereaa in the c-n.?e of Swanscn, it wn,3 tnidn turned that the people there had set an example of disinterested unselnahness by leaving' the question of the ph'.ce Nrli",re Cjuite open. This is the form which the advertisement I &nurned but, aa we have already said, no one spoke vrhe was nob pledged to hnnself, if rif.t to others, i'i favour of the most convenient to himself and ins ncighboul's. \Ve do not, hovrever, l'L'rl't thu on tho contrary, we tiunk there is rea'on to be satisned that the advocates of the two rival f'itc-; Iiave had a good opportunity of pleading their cause, stating thefr claims. making knovfn their resources, and giving expression to their enthusiasm. It cannot be paid thai either t'o-n'n is izidiffer,it or that either i.< unprepared. Whether Swansea, or CardifFbe selected thero \viU, apparently, be little or no difHeulty in getting hold of the needful. Mr YiviAN'? chief point, yester- day, v.'a? that the commissioners having al- ready suggested the conversion of the Swansea Cramma.r School into a nMt-grade school in which the sciences should be taught have shown what site they flunk the best of all for such a school. They had by so doing, he maintained, clearly indicated the very spot where the South Wales Science Scliool ought to be planted. From this, he argued that Swansea was in- ferentially the eite to winch they inclined for the proposed college. Are you to separate your science school, he asked, from your science college ? Are you to break the institution into two distinct parts, or will you not rather have them side by side ? Now, it must be admitted that this is an ingenious way of putting the casa before the public, and it hit the mark with capital eilect at the Swansea C-onfereilee but will this interpre- tation of the vicwa of the Departmental Com- niittee 1)e accepted at Car(lilf? The advocates of the Cardin site will not see the matter in the same light. It is clear that Mr ViviAN is not much in favour of making classics a prominent subject in the new university college, though he is far from denying the importance of the culture which one acquires through such instruction. He believes in mathematica as a discipline necessary to form habits of close reasoning, but the first duty is, in Ilia opinion, to teach foreign languages and applied sciences, and for such a. purpose Swansea is, according to his con- tention, tlie best place in the world. This may or may not be so, but it may not be amiss to remind, thoae who are advocating one site or another that the great colleges and universities now in exist- ence find no difficulty in imparting instruction m the applt'jd sciences, though they have no copper, tin-plate, or iron works at hand. In fact, the proximity of a. college to such works is of no practical advantage whatever. The owners of the works would not care to have students coming about them all day long to witness the various operations carried on upon a large scale. The College laboratory is, after all, the student's scat of learning and observation, even where applied sciences are concerned. But while arguing In favour of Swansea on the grounds alref-dy mentioned, Mr VIVIAN was very careful to remind his hearers that the ques- tion muat bo examined ?lao from a money pcint of view. He reminded them of Str H\TGll OWE'8 county rating ( proposal, and of the large sum of money which might be raised by a very small rate. He contended that his resolution pledged the people to find the money, and that if they were not prepared to do that they must not vote for his resolution. Tins is not exactly the place to discuss the views ex- pressed by Mr ViviA-N on the question of rating, and espeei&IIy the incidence of rates, but he stated very clearly as his opinion that the rate ought not, in any case, to be paid by the tenant who paid the rent, but by the landlord who received it. How far this would make any dinerence in the long run those v.'ho are acquainted with the compound- ing system may judge. The rate would, aHer all, be added to the rent, and the tenant would have to pay it under another j name. Mr DiLLWYN )Yas exceedingly bitter against Cardiu, as indeed were most of the speakers. In fact, the chief object some of till on who addressed the meeting seemed to have in view was to drive Cardiff out of court,, and one speaker, whom we need not mention, oven went 30 far aa to blacken its refutation by making it out to be morally the worst place in Wales. We need not say fhat the speaker in question is not a Cardiff man. Mr DILLWY,-I is opposed apparently to rates and taxes being employed for the purposes of higher education, but if they are to be used for such a purpose, ho contends that the Government will never consent to give a grant, nor the people of Wales to pay a rate, in favour of a college if Cardiff be selected as the site. The hon. gentleman, of course, spoke his own mind only. With all due deference to him, we think that whatever site is ultimately de- cided upon will receive due consideration at the hands of the Government. Besides, it is the Government—or at least the Educa- tion Department—winch will have the selec- tion of the site after the two towns named in the report have had a fair opportunity of stating their claims but that Cardiff is hardly to be called Wales is an assertion which, though it may amuse a good-humoured Swansea audience, was hardly fitting for the occasion, because it must be remembered that the question before us is the selection of a site not for Wales only, but also for Monmouthshire. The Venerable Archdeacon of LLANDAFF elevated the tone of the discussion when he deprecated the internecine warfare about sites, and the whole tone of his speech, though to a considerable extent retrospec- tive, was in the best ch&racter. Mr JoNES JENMNS, M,P., dealt mainly with the cir- cular recently issued by the Mayor of CARDIFF, and both he and Mr YEO proceeded to tear it to pieces. Those who are respon- sible for the statements embodied in that circular will, no doubt, be able to furnish a reply, and we leave it in their hands. The Rev. A. G. EDWARDS, of LIandovery, de- livered a short but pithy speech, which we commend to the considera.tion of those who are struggling in the effort to form an im- partial opinion, but, of course, he, like all the others, Archdeacon GRIFFITHS excepted, was thoroughly pronounced in favour of Swansea. As we have already said, and not for the hrst time iu this article, the two rival sites have each a powerful statement to make in its own favour. We do not con- sider, however, that it devolves upon us to assume the functions of an arbiter. Ours it is to publish the arguments stated on both s!des. It appears to us, however, perfectly clear that in order to know which is the better of the two sites one must not go either to Cardie or to Swansea. TIic people of CardifF are in favour of Cardie' all their statistics favour Cardie. But when we turn to Swansea we nnd the same state of aflair.s. WhM we have to do is, therefore, to urge upon both parf.ies to go on with the scheme. They are rivals, it is true, but jn a noble cause. It is just possible that they may both require, and be prepared to found and, with no more assistance from Government than the Government may fairly be asked to give, to maintain a coHego. In any C:8l', it 13 a hopeful and pleasing sign of the times that both towns are striving to the utmost of their ability to win the laurel. We ou]v hope that much time will not be lost in the mere discussing of sites, but that on some convenient spot a noble edifice will soon be raised, and tliat South Wales will soon have a College of which its people may well be proud.

CONFERENCE OF POOH-LA"\Y !I DS AT MEKTHYK. LOCAL TAXATION. THE RELIEF OF VAGRANTS. A conference of poor-law guardians w:is held at the board-room, Merthyr, on Friday, for the pur- pose of heading- papers read and discussed touch- ing npon tl'afoHowins' subjects:—1. "Local Taxa- tion," with reference espccia.Hy to the advisability (or otherwise) of extending the are& for contrihu. tions to the cost oÍ indoor iiiainte uance, this being the subject, recommended by the central cr'umiiL- mitteo 2. The relief of vagrants. The spacious boardroom had bean socially prepared for the occasion, and nicely adorned with a variety of pL'mts by Mr T. D. Meredith, the master of the workhouse. There were present :— tr, MrR. H. Rhys, ch&inn.i,n, Mcrthyr Guard bins; Mr George Martin, vice cha'rma.n, ditto Mr D. K. Williams, Merthyr; Mr T. Phimps, Mer- thvr; Mr John J;unes, Merthyr; MrD. Da.vics, Merthyr; Mr J. Lewis, Merthvr; Mr T.WiHiMns, Merthyr; Mr C. E. Matthews, Mei-thyr; Mr Jeukin vice-chairman, Merthyr Guar. dia.ns; MrJ. T. D. Llewelyn, chairman, Swansea Guardinns; Mr G. B. Haynes, clerk to the guar- dians, Swansea; Rev. Mr Philips, chairman, Nat-berth Unioji; Mr Biro-ham, Local Govern- ment Inspector: Mr H. C. Fryer, Abervstwith Rev. A. Davies, Rev. W. V. \VïJJù.ms, cha,irum'i,Pontypri'!d Union; Mr John Jmnes.' Aberd:.re Mr PhiHip PhiIIips, B Mr D. B. Tm'bervtHe, clerk, l'oub.nbwe Union tr D. -tx-id -L'r"oxi LTiiioxi Mr F. Ja,!nes. clerk, Merthvr; Miss Gertrude Jenuer.Cardiif; Mr D. Richards, Card in; Dr. Leigh?J.P.,Pontypridd; MrL. D. Rccs, Gelli? ga.er Mr W. Rees, Lh'.nfabon Mr Tboin?s Henry, Bedwellty Mr H. Lewis Pontypridd Mr W. Little, Merthyr; Mr Jofm J. Ev.-tns, Brecon; Mr J. H. Mi]]s, Neath; Mr L. P. Gra,venor,BedwelIty;MrJ.A. Shenard, cterk, Bedwellty; Mr WHHam Jones, L:Mnpeter; Mr T. W. ilip.n,C.-iixliff;2,lz-C.E.Whittiji- super-Mare; Mr James Barrow, )lac¡.;teg-; Mr H. Lewis, Pontypool; Mr Thomas Jones, TaJy- bont; Mr Evau Owen, Bunth Mr M. P. Biddie, Merthyr, &c., &c. On the motion of Mr J. T. D. LLEWKHN. Mr R. H. Rhys (cha.iruianof the Merthyr <Ju:ur;iia.)):,) was voted to the chair. j\ t the request of the CHAIRMAX, MrJ.T. D. Lf.ewKLYN then expia.ined the object cf the conference, a,nd sta.tcd the two sub- jects tht would be brought forwa-rc! for discus- sion. Refcring to the institution of poor-law con- ferences in this country, tho: speaker said he dare say they knew thH,t they had been instituted for some years before they were taken up in that district of South Wales, a.nd he thought it ha.d been a increasing opinion in the 1JJ inds of those who attended them, that they had been attended with beneficial results. He wt- g]a<I to see that this wa.s acknowledged p,nd appiecnitsd in the last report of the Local Government Board. In South Wales these conferences were taken up in 1873, but they had not b'/cn "tadc annual, because that might be making Lhc'n a bttle too common, and it was thought that bold- ing them every two or three YC;U"S would be sufficient. They had h:.d two conferences a,t Swansea, one at C'ann.'u'thc'n, and one at C..tr:bji', and now they were bre:,king- fresh ground. One reason why they had chosen Msrthyr for the meeting was because it wna the centre of a very htn-e of South Witles, and they not their eyes to tho from Mr T,ircl! aiii's report there were certain resuKs of the Mei'thyr Gttardia! which were w'.rthy of notice. Mr H. C. FKYHH (Aiwrystwit,h) h:1ViJlg' beeu c:1J1ed UPO! rc:cd:t on"Loc')! Taxation," with reference espcciaby to the :i.dvisah'];ty, or otherwise, of the grea.for contributions to the cost of indoor ina.Intena,nce. It was the latter Imrt of this as umler",tood upon which discussion WM more particularly in- vited. He therefoM proposed to consider, iirst, whether it waa advisable to spread the charge for indoor maintenance over a larger area, than that for out relief, p.nd, if so, what is the most con- venient area. for the purpose and then to de:d v.ii.h the very large question of Joca.1 taxation only so far as it touched the more special subject under discussion. In considering' the a.dvisabi!ity,it wa.s weU for them first to ar-.k themselves whH.t object th.'y had in view Iu thus casting about for somo Itwasarhnitted by :dl competent authoriT'fs that the laws for the administrations of relief, ;<¡ they now stand, ar.1 Bimply suttlcient to copR \"ith pauperism, if rightly administered. There v.'a< certainly no need for l)i)n to cite statistics to prove the salutary e8'cct of the house test, string-enpy enforced, in red'tc- ing pauperism, or upon t]¡, riffed upon a whole district of too easi!y granted out- reiiof. In fact c)i-,t-relief sto-'d condemned by theory Rnd expcricncp. When, then, was it tiztt in-door renef is not, a.s the Ia.w intends it to be, the rule and out-reJicf the exception ? A nd why it some change was in to bring about the much desired res'.ut ? The answer Yt'as, because of the d;t!i'I1]ty of inducing those whose business it wa.s to administer rdicf to see facts in their right light bec..u.e, in fact, of the short- comings of our boards of KUrlrdh1.!¡. was no doubt, and bdt Httle dirl'erencG of opini-'n amnng- the wen iuforinad as to what C)Ilgllt. to be done the difiicu!ty was how t<) get it done by t'tj ');(' who h:no to do it. Tht-rs were two classes of g'u.u'<1i"1!d wiMi \vho'n this ditii- culty arose, both reluctant to apply the house test ¡;tringently, but for different reasons. In the first place, there \Ycrc idii-iiy w),, o fuJly the principle upon which roHcf shou!d be givcn. Their theories were exceHent in the abstract, b'rt were a.pt to break down in the presence of the concrete a.pplica.nt for relief. Th" second class w&s very much larger, and tha one which pre- sented by far the greatest difficulties in the way of the proper administration of re!:ef. It con- sists of those guardians who object to the offer of th hou6a on the ground of ecoiioroy, false)y so caHed. How often did they not hear from thpse men the parrot-like repetition of the argument that it is better to give 2s 6'1 incur the ccst of, say, 4s a. week by taking the applicant into th3 bouse? They only inok up?n the iuuuedia.te cost of 4s as compared with 2;! 6d, and utterly fa'b'cl to appre'cia.te the f-ict one 1).)lp] ieiJ,nt in 10, or even in 20, would acceut the ofl'cr of the house, aud the con- sequent fact that one 48 is less than 10 or perhaps 20 half-crowns. These men, too, were unable for the most part to look beyond the case immedi- ately before them, and do not consider the effect of their present decision upon other simitar cases. Now if it could be made clear to the mind of the ordinary guardian that it would co.t his particu- lar union less to give in-door than out-door relief, they would enlist h'a love of economy on thf side of the former, and so gain for the house test a fairer trial than it now h.i.d in mo;;t unions. And as some of the pua.rdia.ns see by actual experience the be¡¡efj reuniting to their union from the decreased number of paupers and lessened rates, thero is little fear of return to their former practice. The economical ob- jection to the houae test thus converted, the great diSicuIty would b& removed, and the humane objector would le&rn al$o by ex- pertenco that real hum&nity, not only to those ratepaers who are but slightly removed from pauperism, but to tha paupers and wou:d-bo p?upera themselves, ia fostered by the general o?fer of the house. The fa.ct, then, w? th&t some inducement waR necessary to make guar- dians dtNcontinue outdoor relief, and the only in- ducement which seems likely to be eSectiva is one that shall make indoor relief immediately, as well as prospectively, the cheaper. Thia ob- ject, ho took it, would be most easily attained by L spreading the cost of indoor maintenance over a, larger area than that for outdoor relief, and by throwing the greater part of the burden upon some other fund than that of the union—by offering, in fa,et., a. preBaium upon indoor relief. With the union paying the whole cost of out relief, and a larger area contributing towards the indoor maintenance, each guardian will be con- eciouti to throw the bnrdea upon the general fund, and to save the finances of h)a particular union. It might be tn-guod that he would have to contribute also to the general fund, but this payment being more remote will be less thought of, added to which the more in-door paupers the law throw upon the general fund, the more he will ease his ewn union at the general expense. And this eagerness to draw upon the general fund will give rise to keen and healthy competi- tion between the various unions, the result of which will, they Blight hope, be a graduai disap- pearance from the scene of the out-door pauper dependent for relief upon the union proper. The marked success which has attended the Metro- politan Amendment Act, 1869, under which a large portion of the cost of in-maintenance was made repayable from the common poor fnnd, may also encourage them to hope for some measure of success from the application ef a somewhat simua.r system to country unions. The chief ob)ecta ef that act would Beem to have been to fairly equalize the burdens of tlie different pa,rts of the metropolis, by making the richer parishes assist t'M poorer, and to secure better classification of indoor paupers by setting certain workhouses apart for thereceptionofpa.rticularclasscs. And the very great reduction of out-door pauperism appears to have an a.Imost unexpected effect of that Act. The result vraa so striking that the speaker pro- ceeded to quote sbtistics in support Making every allowance for all the differences that eXIst, there was still, he good ground for the expectation that beneficial results would follow from the extension of the principle of the Metropolitan Poor Amendment Act to the county districts of England and Wales. He came to the conclusion tlmt it was desirable to extend the area for contributions to the cost of the indoor maintenance. The question then followed, what area. shall be taken for the purpose, and what proportion of the cost shall be borne by the more extended area. Now, at all cvellt, Ü the present time, anything like a. national indoor poor rate, levied upon real and personal property &like is out of the question, and the only practical alternative before them seemed to be either grants in aid from the impenaJ ex- chequer or contributions from some fund other than that of the union..Having referred to the objections that might arise to this course, the speaker .s;tid the plan he would suggest was a simple one, and it had the advantage of requiring no new machinery and no additional offices, not even i rece;ver, iy' the metropolis. He would allow escli union intlie county to claim a 1't'pa.y- metitfrom the county r.?te in respect of all paupers maintained in the workhouse to the extent o:5d per day for adults, and 4d for children. The amount could be family a.scert.a'ned from the dis- trict auditor, who should be instructed to exa- mine the books, a,nd to give Itis certificate for the number of days' maintenance fr.r \hj(;h repayment could !'o claimed, distinguishing'for this pnrp<jsethe counties to which ti.e paupers belonged in the case of all unions extending- over portions of more than one county. The aur:fitor\; certihcn.te being p<re- sented to the county treasurer, payment of the amount would be n':ido from tl)ofundprovidsd by the county rate. The effect of spreading the cost of in-door paup€ris]:i would be to equalise the burden. Itmight probably affect tlie incidence of ti1i rfl.tes, l1l;¡,bng them he;1 vier in some districts than at present, and lighter in odiRrs, but the efi'ect of the change wou'd. it] all probability be, as in the metropolis union, a diminution of N%,ittiout o, cor- responding'increase in indoor cost,aswou!i materia,y lighten the actna! burden of the poor rates. Moreover,thisequalisat.ionoftlte burden! would bo but fair and .iust, when it was borne in mind that in-door rflief v.'aa almost beyond the co;: trol (.f the gn:1ràir..ns, f01" g-i ven of apparent destitution, :md the offer of the house accepted,'th" cost cannot be evaded by even the most enlightened administration. It may, bow- en' be necessary to the and to 11I8Jcø SGch regulations as 811:111 prevent gitzirdians, whi''t being- themseh'es offered a promi'jm upon its tli increased CMurort. within thf* house. This would pressni; no rpa.1 difncultlea. lender present arrangements, guardia.ns had to hjgb intere.-t upon loans for buildings, which can seldom be obtained at a !o"errat3tha.n5percent. Thisditucultymigbt in a measure b-) o,)v-i-ted by power bemg given to the Public Works Loans Hoard to ad- vance luoney at 3 per ccut. for workhouse buildings, as is now donate school boards, and ha would commend the consideration of this to thea.uthorities. By his proposition to transfer two-thirds of the for in-door n;tintenn:me tu tha county r:lte, it followed that su average of t,)(,>ui Vd in the .S would bo taken off the :lggl'er:Üe rate of the union, a charge upon the county rate. P'y doing thisthe q?Mttion of loe.d taxation was left alto?etlier un- touched, pr.d th3 question was t(ll) large a one to treat of at the end of a. paper already, ite fGared, too lengthy. In conclusion, tha speaker re- capitulatcd the conclusions at w!ti';h he had arrived—I. Ttiat it is advisabfo to extend the area. for contributions to the COJt of indoor ma.in- temmce. 2. That th:J best area. for such purpose is the county proper rather than the union county. 5. That the amount to be charged upon tlie, filli(l, i.e,Ithe c(,tinty, ,Iiotild be, it the r.'te of 5d pi r diem for adult paupers, and 4d toi'ehildrcn. <[AppIa,use.) ?'tr FHYEH theu moved the fo?owing resobition: Tht it ts dfsi.'ahle to extcuil the &ea for coatri"l\. ti')Hs to t.he cost of iu'i'jor ma/itttcHance, thus puttu!?: it uJlon a lJi'oade¡' h¡,id. Dr. PAIKR (Cardiff) seconded the resolution, and saddbe Sieved the more stringent they apphed their meant- of relief, and the more they made the poor self-reliant, the more were they liacollli-.Ig their best frieNds. It was a, matter for very serious co.tsideratiou whether m taking steps to lessen pauper relief, they were not acting in the most humanitarian way. The resolution was one well worthy of consideration, because, although it did not pledge them, it was a, step in the right direction. He advocated the applying of the hous.j test be fore giving out-relief/andwa.s of opinion that the more they extended the system of in-door relief the more economical they would bd. Referring- to what Mr Llewelyn had said, he thought the more frequently they met and dis- cussed these matters the more bsnent they would derivetliercfrom. (HGar,hear.) Mr J. W. JAMKS could not quite coincide with the motion, although he was not prepared to move an amendment. If the house test was adopted in nuie-tenths of the caes the pauper would not be relieved at aIL The Bible told them that the poor they would always ha,ve amongst them, and this being the case they shouldtrytoca.setheirburdens. He thought it v;as lilmdvlsaùle to endeavour to bring everyone intothe house. Instead of having one large workhouse, it would be better to have sma.Iler ones, where the people could be employed on the Ia.nd, and IcT.rn something which would be useful to them. In the Mcrthyr AVorkhouse they had two choices <jf 'rk only-picking oakum and breaking stones, lie said It was bM'ba.rous t.) compel aU poor persons to come into the house. As they would always h:),ve the poor amongst them, they shonld with ti-eiii as tenderlv as ]Jos,ihJr. People were poorbecausetney could ncthclpit:. Howcou!dthey be otherwise tlian poor wl)cn t!)Q land in t.he country was in the hand. of so ft'w? If the land continued th'.1 poor increasè. If the property l}l1aJific::ttiun aiid ex-oiucio gmn'dians were d<;ne away with,tl)ei'Q would be a, very ditfer- ent state of things. There was f. change coming on, and they would have to look out. The country I was going on wrong. Miss (Cardiff) did not think It wouM be advisable or creditable to look forv.jrd to the tirna when there would be no paupers. To h?r nund it was t'nQ of the ornaments of thf country nund it was t'nQ of the ornaments of thf country that the poor were provided for..She v/as not going to say aye or tmy to the resolution, but the matter was one worth consideration. In reply to a. question from Mr J. W. -Taii,e', Mr FRYKH said that what he meant by personal property w&s that upon which incomc-tAx wa.s "Tbs Rey. Mr PHlUjrs (X? .berth Union) s?d his experience agreed with Mr Fryer that out- his experience agreed with Mr Fryer that out- door pauperism had largely increased. He dis- sented from the giving of relief from a. feeling of hrm;'nlty. If they "e charity it should not be out of the ra*H, but from their own pocket. Thny were not doing a. kindnc.?:! to the people tl)-y :1,;j8ted. bec,\1)se iEto that position of want. Pauperism, he urged, was so great on account of the cut-relief given. They should press upon the young the necessity of pro- vidingfor old %ge, i'L;,ti,,er than to e';me upon tlie parish wh'}n age and infirmity C:1WB upon them. Another re:Mon why out-rpbef was so extensive w:).s because \1<\rdi¡<,ù;; were frequently led to give it, bsc'iuse they thought it was most economical, but thi", h0 m:ÜntaineÜ, was not the ease. Mr JONHS (Lampeter Union) supported the motion. MrJ. T. LLnvn,YN (Swansea,) s.'Hd h? did not think out door r.'Iicf would be done away Vtith altogether, but it might be very much lessoned, and discretion should b*) given to the gLMrdia.ns to give persons relief at their own houses. He sug- gested that if tb-? Legislature brought in a. bill stating that in 15 years or so all out-door relief would be done awny with, no unkindnoss or 'hardship would he caused, because it would cause young msn to sne. The_inc:'easing of the arfa, upon which rates would be levied w;"s only 11 portion of the question of local ta.xati<*n.! lie would like the, of rating iilcreflsed for highway plli'pO"'CS, In hi, opinion the wnrkhouse te.-t should always be applied intheiicstpbce prRvioustoout-roIiefbeInggivcn. Mr J. BAR;'0\v (Uritigend) spoke in favour of the area, I'f rating beilg extended. 'fhe rcmaikcd that bis iews were a.'r'ady pretty well known to the Mcrthyr guar- dians. but pcrha.u:i net to the contc-renco e'enerally. Ha, to a t extc-nt, a.gr3G 1 wlt!i whn.t Mr I'-yerhad said,a;t)e:it.irf!y;)grdcd with him in the dif-aqtilt of gettiii- g-tii-trdi-cins to agree to the house test to the extent t;iat; in hM opinion it ought to be used. Mis experience was that by this test not Illflr! tli;in 10 or 12 per cent. of the persons offer,cl the house c.ma in. He would object to the taking away of cut-relief to old people. (He?r, hear.) But with the exception of the very aged he would offer the house. Pau- perism, ho was sorry to say, WAS hereditary. He had assisted in relieving four generations of one famuy, and he know that their families had been relieved before that. Some people looked upon poor relief iM an inheritance. If the law put it beyond their power to give out-reliof, they would be very much indebted to the Jaw. (Hear, hearj So far from being an ornament to the country, he thought \>a,upers were the curso of the country.. The spcaKcr wont on to advocate Mr Blackley's system of saying, whereby a man, savins .S10 before he was 20, could get 8s a week for life after 60 years of age. He thought that if they could i get subsidised from the Imperial Exchequer, as in the case of lunatics, and offer the house more frequently, a good reduction of the rates might be eSected. < Mr LNWis (Pertholey) advocated an increase in t the area for rating, and having referred to the satisfactory manner in which the deputation had: been received by Mr Gladstone, hoped that some- ? thing would shortly bo done. r Mr LLEWELYN having remarked that the reso- t tuhon, if passed, would not be sent to the Government, but to the central conference in Lon- don, which &i<.t cnce a year, MrL. D. RNES (GelligMr) brieay addressed the meeting. The Rev. J. J. EvAXS (Brecon) sa,ld that In theK union the workhouse test had reduced the rates by one haJf, whilst the number of indoor paupers had not relatively increased. He considered it would be a go«t poiAt to ?ive, say 15 years* notice, of the doing away with cut-relief. On< reason why, perhaps, young men did not savt more was because there had been so many bank- rupt societies. He would like to see some plan adopted by which these cluba would be bettef managed. He was in favour of throwing the repairing of the highways upon imperial taxation. Mr FRYER then replied upon the remarks made. He di&agreed m totu with the remarks of Mr J. W. Jamea. The great object they had in view was a decrease of the rates, and that was exactly what the house tax would accomplish. He knew the poor would never cease out of the land,but ia a few years there would be a very great decrease, and that would be a very creditable and desirable state of things. If they had a dinerent class of guardians, a.a spoken of by Mr J. W. James, they would be infinitely harder in dealing with the poortiia.nthepresent guardians. He considered that counties, which materially altered in circum- stances, would be the best to manage their own affairs, as they would then want uo new machinery ofnnykind. The re."olutioa was then put, and carried unanimou8ly. Mr FRYKR next moved— That the best for such a purpose is the count! proper rather tha,n the union a.rca. Dr. p AIE .seconded. A somewhat lengthened discussion ensued, !a the course of which a variety of opinions wcra expressed, after wInch, MrJ. ijEwm moved a.s an amendment, and the Rev. Mr Pn'LMps seconded, that the mutter be avowed to remain where it was—the abstract resolution previously pussed. As it was clea! that there would be considerable opposition to the secondproposltion,it Nya,, withdrawn by Mt Fryer. The absence of several gentlemen w!)o were to have been present having been explained, MrJ.T. LLKWELYN read a short paper upon vagrants, and how to decrease their number, by the adoption of more vigorous measures, n,nd a more uniform treatment of them in al! countriG.s. Beyond this he could not advocate muehalter.t.tionin their treatment. He moved that the que,tio!l of v:<g1'&utg i,,¡ one more immedia.tely a.ffecting the Home Oince than tha Local Government Board. This was seconded by Mr J. LKwi-i (Aberdare). During-the discussion which ensued, the mode of treating tramps in the various counties was comp.u-e<.i, and it was generally conceded that the more uncomfortable the vagrant's life was made, and the more they were brought under the surveillance of police, the less would their number surveillance of police, the less would their number become. Mr Bircham also quoted some statistics, showing that the number of tramps relieved last year by guardians was 7,030 less than iu t))c year preceding-. He failed to see tha,i: the guardians could do more to lessen the number of tram pa than by the present deterrent way of dealing with them. The motion wa,s carried without opposition, as were .dso votes of thanks to Mr Fryer and Mr Liewelyn for their papers to Mr Rhys for pro- dding and to the Merthyr Guardians forgranting the use of their handsome board-room for the conference. Ti-.emectinglastedfo'rhours.

CHARGE OF AT rAt the Cardie Friday. before M r R. 0. Jones, Charles George Henth, the chief booking c)crk a'; the Great Western R-)i[w.i.y Station, CardiS', was charged with embezzling the sumof.S10,the property of the (,! real Western Railwa.y Company. MrHnsor,whoa).pearcdfor the (Treat Railway Coiiijitny, f'aid that there were several charges of embexztement to be preferred against t!:e prisoner, but :ts tii, defcn- da.nt was only giv!i iuto custody on the day. the evideneo was not t!)cn' forthcoming, and he proposed o:i!y to proceed with one o[ the charges, nnd then ask for ? re'nand to enable h'fu to couipl''te the evidence in th? otiier cases. He then Cha-rles Joseph }!.ichards, the chicf c!erk in ths oifico of the divisional superintendent Great West"n Railway, Cardii?. Witness s:ud that the prisoner was tite chief booking e!ork a,t the Great Western Railway Station, Car- diS'. He produced a. book catted "The Register of Tickets Book,"kept by the station-master. The date January 4. contained entries of sums re- ceived by the prisoner for season tickets. There is an entry signed by the prisoner for JE55 15s for a s&ason ticket. The handwriting is that of the prisoner. Itwoutdbeaparcofhisdutyto receive money for season t;ckut.s. It was also" his duty to post the sum so received in "The Train SurviceHook. Ho there entered the account of the t'cket,as sold to Mr Stewart at :E45 15s. The station-master would examine both books every evening, but would only examine the totals with- outcheekingeveryitem. Prisoner was charged when the discovery was made, and he admitted having taken the money. There was a long con- versation respecting thi-s and other charges, which a- further invcstiga.tion of the books revealed. Mr Jones thought that the error might have been a clerical one, as it seemed absurd that a. man .should make two such dli-similaj' entries In two books examined every day by the sbation master. Prisoner did not deny the charge, and !iewa< then remanded till Monday.

THE WELSH IN LONDON. f t'ROM CUR WELSH CORRESPOXDHXT.) On Thursday eveniug Mr Lowis H. Roberts Canonbury, read a paper on Parliament," befon the Wikon-square Wel)-h Literary and Musica- The takeu by [r thepresidentof the society. Mr Roberts, in: and intercé<ting paIr, the growtl of Parliamentary representation from its firs) establishment to the present <.&nturv. His remark' were attentively listened to by the memben present, who warmly applauded him at the cloa< of the paper, The Rev. Grifnth John, for many years it missionary in China., after a brief stay in thi: .country, is on the point of leaving again for the mission-Held. Previous to his departurehewU) -td(Ir, -3 cotititrviiien one or two idet)tings of bi, if] the metropolis. New Jcwin Chapel, as being most central will probably be chosen for the public meeting, but Mr John, we believe, ha.a promised to give his last meeting to the Welsh COllgrgational Church at Southwark Bridge- road. The revival meetings which were commenced last week among the Welsh in London, are being successfuHy carried through the present week, at New Jewin,wliere ministers &nd members of various denom'natMns give their services nightly. On Monday a -dBtaehment of the S:1J \'3.- t)on Army, under the direction of Col. Co!viiie, attended the meeting, n.nd added greatly to its Mr Ben Davies, who ms.do a verv successful London at Her Majesty's Theatre last week, v/iH appear on Saturday evening, with other members of th" Car! Rosa Company, at the Alex- andra Palace, in the favourite opera, by Baife, "ThuBoItemianGirI." The Londou Welsh Union announces a Welsh festival ccnc3it for St. David's Day at the Holborn Town-haU. The a.rtMtes engaged are Miss Marian 'Willinma, Madame Lizzie Wi!I:am3 (Lunos y De), Miss Lizzie Mis.,i A.,illio Mr HIrwen Jones, Mr Lucas Williams, a.nd Eos Morhus, who will also occupy the post of conductor. Master T. Barker, R.A.M., of CaerphiHy, will bo the harpist, a.ndMessn Walter Hughes, of LIanelly, and D. Jones wil act as accompanists. The nrst part of the festiva concert, we ore given to understand, will con elude with the "Dead March" (from "Saul") piayed on the organ by Mr Wa.!tor Hughes, it meffiOJry of the late Sir OWèn. On Wednesday next, Mr Henry Richard. M.P.( *11 -,v'" in jut4lee lectiire in con- ncction with ths Congregational Union of Eng- land p.nd Wales, at the Memorial-hall, Farring- 011 ió Nonconformity in \Yales." John Robprts, M.P., will e,.tiid Mrs Wf),tt3- Hughes will sing Hen FibI mawr fy mani prior to the lecture, p-nd at the close an anthont v/i)I be rendered by the United AV(,,18li Noncon- formmg Choirs of London. Miss Spenser Jones, of Aberdar?, will appea.r at Mr Sims Reeves'next operatic concert, her success at the la-st concert having a.t once .given her & high pl;:ce among the vocalists of the day. Mr SackviIIe Evans, of Dowlais, sang on Satur- day at one of the concerts of t!io Help Myself Society In Southwark.

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