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HOUSE OF COMMONS. THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER I.-THE REFORM BILL.âThe Chairman having put the question for adopting the printed alter- ations in clause 23, The Chancellor of the Exchequer observed that, as this clause related to the appointment of commissioners for the division of counties, he wished to say a few words respecting it. Ministers had resolved to submit the report of the commissioners to parlia- ment, and not to consider their decision final until parliament had approved of it. The duty of the commissioners would be to divide the counties, and to make out the limits of certain bo- roughs. When the commissioners shall have made their report to the Home Secretary, it will be laid before the house by the government, and the house shall express their sense of it by an address to the crown. If the house should disapprove of the re- port, they should refer it back to he revised. If there appeared to be no partiality in the report, he hoped that, without going into the details, they would approve of it. He admitted there was much difficulty attending such report. Until the report was approved of by the house, there could not be a new election, for after the bill passed, the present system of election would be abolished. After the report was agreed to, his Majesty would issue a proclamation for registering the votes for a new election. The number of commissioners which he intended to propose was thirty-one, and no decision of theirs would be deemed valid unless approved of by sixteen, being a majority. His lordship then read the following list The Right Hon. J. Abercrombie, R. Dawson, Esq. Lord Chief Baron of Scotland. T. Dnimuioud, Esq. E. J. Littleton, Esq. J. E. Drinkwater, Esq, Davies Gilbert, Esq. T. F. Ellis, Esq. W. Couitenay, Esq. H. Kerr, Esq. wwarti" Masters in Chancey £ B. Kemrard Esq. = W. Wmgneld,) W. Olde, jun. Esq. Sir J. W. Gordon, Bart. J. Romily, Esq. H. Hallam, Esq. R. J. Saunders, Esq. F. Beaufort, Esq. R.N. The Rev. R. Sheepshanks Lauucelot Baugh Allan, Esq. W. E. Talleuts, Esq. H. Gawler, Esq. H. Tailored, Esq. T. Birch, Esq. « J. Wrottesley, Esq. W. Leake, E,q. F. Martin, Esq. Royal Engineer Benjamin Anuesley, Esq. R. A. Scott, Esq. Royal Statt Corps J. T. Chapman, Esq. W. Wild, Esq, Sir E. Sugden did not mean to say that the noble lord did not make an impartial selection as regarded politics, still he thought that the proposed plan was liable to objections. These commissioners would divide themselves into sections, for the purpose of an expeditious decision, and when they met, it was expected that they should all deliberate together on what each section reported. He submitted that the noble lord should introduce a provision, to the effect that no less than five or six of these commissioners should form a section. He also thought that there should be some directions laid down for the commissioners respecting the rule they should adopt in the division of counties, and in marking out the limits of boroughs. As the bill stood, there was no rule to that effect laid down. Sir C. Wetherell said that there was no way in which the arrangement of the clauses could meet with his approval, for he objected in toto to the principles of this bill. The first objection he had to offer was a constitutional one. As he understood the bill, the crown, after its passing, would be deprived of the power of dissolving the parliament for the period of three months. That was a novelty in the constitution. He therefore begged to call the attention of the committee to that preliminary objection.â No act of parliament had ever yet made a provision at all corre- sponding with the one now proposed. Another objection was, that they could not only divide counties, but appoint the place of election, without reference to any other standard than their own caprice. Mr. C. W. Wynn wished the noble lord to consider whether it would not be advisable in the event of a dissolution to let the next election take place under the law as it now stood. This, he thought, was a point deserving of attention, and unless attended to, might give rise to great inconvenience should an election take place within six or nine months. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said he did not think it at all necessary or advisable for the house to take the suggested pre- caution respecting a dissolution. After some further conversation the motion was agreed to.- The question that the clause stand part of the bill was also agreed to. Several verbal amendments were then suggested in the clause 24 and negatived, and the clause agreed to without a division. The house then resumed. The report was brought up, and the committee obtained leave to sit again to-morrow. The report of the committee of supply was brought up and agreed to. The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the house adjourned at a quarter past three o'clock. FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 2-âBELGIUM.âSir R. Vyvyan said that having yesterday informed the noble lord, the Secretary for Foreign Affairs, that he this day meant to put certain questions to him on the subject of the state of Belgium, and the noble lord not now being in his place, he should take the liberty of putting the questions to the noble lord, the Chancellor of the Exchequer. The questions he wished to ask were, whether any fresh armistice had been acceded to by either of the parties, and which ? and if so, whether France had renewed her assurances of the withdrawal of her troops ? and whether his Majesty's government was satisfied that those troops were about to be with- drawn 1 They heard of the formation of a camp at Nivelles, and both the French and Belgian newspapers spoke openly of an intended occupation. If these statements had any foundation in truth, then he would repeat that his Majesty's ministers would have to answer for the insulted honour of the country. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, with respect to the questions put by the hon. baronet, he could only say that if he could conceive any gentleman wishing to plunge the country in in war, he could use no more effectual means than by putting such questions relating to pending negociations. The hon. ba- ronet must excuse him from giving them any answer. Upon the motion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the house went into a committee on the Reform Bill. The 25th clause in the original bill was negatived, and that substituted in the one last printed was put from the chair, and agreed to. The amendments in cluse 26 were next put, und agreed to. Clause 27 was negatived for the purpose of substituting another. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said that the object of the clause was to put the boroughs of Aylesbury, Cricklade, Shore- ham, and East Retford, upon the same footing as other places under the bill. It had been felt desirable to place the freehold- ers in the neighbourhood of these boroughs upon the same footing as others. At present a person having a freehold in the hundred of Bassetlaw had two sets of votes-one for the hundred and another for the county. Sir. E. Sugden considered the clause to make a most unneces- sary change, and he therefore opposed it. The bill professed to save the rights of the people, but he asserted that in the working of the clauses those rights would be sacrificed. The conditions never could be complied with. After a short discussion the committee divided, when the num- bers wereâ For the clause 102 lor the amendment. 29 Majority for ministers. 73 The clause was then agreed to. The next question was, "That clause 28 be omitted altogether." ion was, That -Agreed to. On proposing the 29th clause, which relates to overseers pre- paring lists of voters for counties, Colonel Wood said, they had now come to that clause of the bill by which a registry for the voters of counties and boroughs was appointed. It was stated that this clause was intended to diminish the expense of election. So far from producing that effect, he was convinced that it would increase the expence. After detailing the plan it would be necessary to follow, the gal- lant colonel proceeded to contend that, if the regulations of this clause were established, every county member must have an agent in every hundred to take care that his friends were put upon the list, and to prevent improper persons from being in- serted on it. And it must be recollected, that as the list was made out annually, these agents must be annually retained. He was not called upon to provide a substitute for these registration clauses, but he would state what he thought would be an im- provement upon them. He thought,, that if the party claiming to vote would take the freeholders' oath, and would appeal to the rate-book for his qualification, there would be in that a suffi- cient proof of his title to vote. By adopting such a plan, the committee would get rid of the thirty remaining clauses of the bill, which would be a great recommendation, as the committee had only just got through that number at present. Be would negative at once all the clauses relating to the registration for, by so doing, the principle of the bill would not be affected. The gallant officer concluded by stating that he would take the sense of the committee upon this clause. Sir C. Wetherell contended that the expense would be increased by the the system of dividing the polling when a separate ma- chinery should be employed. The expense of registering the freeholders would fall upon the county members, and which would be equal to the present expense that borough members are put to in taking up the freedom of freemen in the boroughs. The Chancellor of the Exchequer said that no additional ex- pense would be placed upon candidates by this clause. In fact, it merely referred to the registration of voters, which had nothing at all to do with expence, inasmuch as it was intended to pro- duce a contrary effect. With respect to overseers having a par- tial power, he must really deny it, for he had practical experience that overseers, during general elections, could not be at all times either Whigs of Tories, or reformers or anti-reformers. As to any increase of expense at elections, he believed that the effect of the registry would be to do away with the expense of counsel and many others, which would increase the purity and facility of elections. Colonel Wood wished that all the clauses from 29 to 57 should be omitted in the absence of so many county members. The amendment of the Chancellor of the Exchequer was then agreed to, and the question that the clause stand part of the bill was carried without a division. Clause 30, in its amended form, was then read from the chair. By this clause persons whose names are omitted in the county lists are to give notice of their claim to the overseers within a limited time, and persons objecting to names included in the lists are to give notice to the overseers, and also to the person objected to and the overseers are to fix lists of claimants and of persons objected to on church-doors or in conspicuous places, and keep a copy of their names to be perused by any person without fee. Sir C. Wetherell said, that a man's name might be omitted, and if he was sick or unable to give notice within the limited time, he would lose his vote. The Chancellor of the Exchequer replied that such accidents could not be avoided. Under the present system he had seen instances of names omitted in the land-tax assessment. Mr. Wilks moved that these words be inserted And deliver a copy of such lists to any person desiring the same, on payment of a fee of Is." The clause t was then agreed to, after a few words from the Chancellor of the Exchequer. ihe Chancellor oj the Exchequer said that he now wished to propose clause 31, but as a notice was given to oppose it he would propose that the committee should now cease their labours, that the chairman should report progreess, and ask leave to sit again to morrow, at twelve o'clock.âAgreed to. The Chancellor of the Exchequer moved that the Game Laws Bill should be read a third time. Some verbal amendments proposed by the C hancellor of the Exchequer having been agreed to, the bill was passed.âAdj. SATURDAY, SEPT. 3.-Turton's Divorce Bill went through a committee. Some petitions were presented, and a short con- versation took place on the subject of steam-boat regulations. Mr. Croker called the attention of government to the perpe- tration of fires in the country, and particularly in the county of Cambridge. The Chancellor of the Exchequer replied, that a measure for the more effectual protection of property was under consideration. Lord Althorp moved the order of the day for the house resolving itself into a committee on the Reform Bill. Mr. H. Hughes said, that he was sure he should be pardoned for availing himself of that opportunity of intimating to his Ma- jesty's ministers and to the house, that it was not his intention to follow up the notice he had given of re-urging, on the bringing up of the report, his motion for the erasure from the bill of all words effecting or referring to the division of counties. (Hear.) The house resolved itself into a committee on the bill. The Chairman (Mr. bernal) read the 31st clause, that empow- ering the going judges of assize to nominate the registry of votes revising barristers of clause 29, in order to introduce after the word judge or justice for the lime being." Mr. North thought that the bill did not give sufficient autho- rity to the barristers who were to act under it, as they were not empowered to compel the attendance of witnesses, whose testi- mony might enable them to come to a just decision. Lord Althorp thought that there was no necessity to give the barristers in question the power to summon witnesses, for he was of opinion that the parties interested would be ready enough to appear before the barristers without the employment of compul- sory measures. The noble lord concluded by defending that part of the clause which provided for the punishment of the bar- risters, should they be guilty of corruption. The motion was agreed to, and the several blanks having been filled up, the whole clause was passed, and ordered to stand part of the bill. After a few words from Sir C. Wetherell and Lord Althorp, the 32d clause, which directs the course to be followed by the barristers in expunging names from, or inserting them in, the voters' list, was read. Several verbal amendments were proposed and agreed to. On the motion being put for leaving out certain words, c Colonel Sibthorp said, that he opposed the progress of the bill, because he believed the more it was delayed, the more would the eyes of the people be opened to its absurdity. It had been patched up in such a manner as made it quite a different measure from the one submitted to the last Parliament, and he believed that any parish clerk would be now ashamed of the bill. The 32d clause was then agreed to, and the house having re- sumed, the chairman reported progress, and obtained leave to sit again on Monday. Adjourned at half-past six o'clock till Monday.